Help buying a new TV?

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I haven't purchased a new TV for the living room since 1997. And the one I have amazingly still works well, I'm just ready to move on.

Please help me with the latest technology :flower3: I'm thinking I need around 46"-50"?

LCD vs Plasma ~ I hear these days there's no clear winner. What are your thoughts?

720p vs 1080p ~ I don't even know what this means? :confused3

60Hz vz 120Hz ~ Again...Huh??? :confused3

There are alot of brands out there that I've never heard of. Dynex, Insignia, Apex? Are any of these any good - or should I stick with the old faithfuls...Sony, Panasonic, Phillips?

This will be the main TV for our living room. There are 4 windows however, it's a fairly dark room. Other than the occasional Wii night, there will be no major gaming on this TV or tons of movies & sports. Just your average evening TV watching. :happytv:

I know there have probably been 500 of this same thread over the years - but I just don't know where to start.

TIA
 
Some basics......

1080 is better than 720, especially on a bigger screen. It is essential the amout of dots that make up the picture. Blue Rays are in 1080 as an FYI.

120 is better than 60Mhz -- this is the measure of the screen refresh rate.

Both of these are subjective as to how much difference they really make. Somepeople swear the make all the difference and others dont notice anything.

One thing to be sure of....Make sure you have an HD picture coming into the TV. Watching standard def programming on an HD tv just wont look very good. To appreciate all that your TV can do....you really need to have an HD picture source. I chuckle when people complain of a worse picture and its becuase they went from a 27 inch TV to a 46 inch TV are are still trying to watch the shows in SD. That's not the way it should work.....
 
I know others will have better details, but I'll share what little I learned in our TV hunt. Plasma is more likely to burn out its screen, and also uses more power. LCD was our choice, and now LED is coming up as the next best tv thing (have seen one in the store, and WOW what a crisp picture!!).

The 1080p and 120hz have to do with the clarity and speed of change of the pixels I think, maybe not important for watching old movies on the retro channel, but major importance to sports looking good. Still, go for the highest level that you can afford.

We have 2 42" flat screens, bigger just wouldn't work for our den and office. The first one we got is a Vizio... like it very well, and it was a great deal at Costco (plus 3yr warranty if purchased with AmEx). It got terrific reviews and was rated high in Consumer Reports. Our main tv now is a Panasonic, maybe a bit better picture but hard to tell. The Wii does look good on it!

Good luck with your shopping!
 
Forgot to add....

Generally, we have always heard the 3 S's are the best brands---Sony, Sharp and Samsung.

We have a Sharp (46inch) & Samsung (37inch) - both LCD and have been very happy with both.
 

One thing to be sure of....Make sure you have an HD picture coming into the TV. Watching standard def programming on an HD tv just wont look very good. To appreciate all that your TV can do....you really need to have an HD picture source. I chuckle when people complain of a worse picture and its becuase they went from a 27 inch TV to a 46 inch TV are are still trying to watch the shows in SD. That's not the way it should work.....

I didn't realize that. I guess I'll have to figure that into the cost of the TV. My cable co charges an extra $10/month for the HD channels + an extra $6/mo for the HD compatable set top box. Hmmm - Then I guess I need all those fancy wires that are usually purchased seperately. Thanks for this info - I would've never known.
 
you may want to check out Dish or Direct TV too....as a new HD customer, you could probably get a very nice deal from them.
 
Here are my thoughts.

Definately go 1080P if you're getting a TV larger then 40", below that, don't bother (and some under a certain size are not even available in 1080P).

There are four common Hz's out there, 60, 120, 240 and 600. The first three are really relevant to LCD, the last is for Plasma (but it doesn't really mean the same thing). Hz is refresh rate, how fast the image refreshes, the faster refresh the smoother the picture (ms is also important, but hold that thought). When LCDs first came out there were two major complaints, poor image refresh resulting in juddering images and poor black contrast. The first has been somewhat mitigated by the increasing Hz (screen refresh rate) and also the increase in pixel response time (ms). For Plasma, refresh was never an issue due to the technology difference, so until recently, Plasma didn't offer a Hz refresh, but started recently as a comparison (there is some math behind it, but for intensive purposes it means little).

Pixel response time is very important with LCDs as this helps determine the smoothness of the image as well. The faster the response time (lower the number) the smoother the picture (relevant to refresh). A good LCD should perform around 2 - 4 MS, anything higher is going to start to be noticeable.

Black level is another major flaw of LCDs, they cannot produce the same black level of Plasma, it's all about technology differences. Things have improved with new technology, but they're still not flawless and don't produce as deep of blacks.

Now onto Plasma, it carries two major complaints, power consumption and burn in. The first has changed dramatically in the past few years. Three or four years ago, you'd see power usage around 400W (about the same as a home computer), now, for most they are closer to about 200 - 250W. A comparable size LCD will probably close to a 100W.

Plasma burn is probably brings back memories of the old projection screens which had this same issue. This issue is probably a little more played up then it needs to be as most screens either have image shift technology to prevent it, or will auto correct in a few hours of watching something other then the image that was retained. Retention is not permanent and most times its only noticeable (if a temporary image is retained) on really white or black scenes, it will not be noticeable during normal watching.

So what does this all mean, well you need to determine what you match most. If you watch a lot of sports and movies in artificially lit rooms, I'd go Plasma. It will offer the most fluid picture, no image lag and blacks/colors that are very true. If you watch more regular TV in a brightly lit room (think outdoor light), you're probably better off with a LCD screen.

The newest TV to hit the market is the LED, but really its just a LCD with a different backlight component. This helps with producing better blacks (the individual LEDs can react with the image versus a fixed backlight), but it doesn't fix any other issues. There are also Ultrathin Plasmas (if you want the cool 1" factor), they still suffer the same issues as a normal Plasma, but again, just really thin.

Some other considerations are cables/signal, you should definately use a HD box and HD cables, with the preference to HDMI. DO NOT BUY an HDMI cable from BestBuy, Walmart, etc, they are extremely overpriced for what you get, look online for the cables, places like monoprice.com are a great place to start. To give you an example, I just bought 8 - 6' HDMI cables for $20.71 shipped, try doing that in a retail store, you'd be spending close to $150 - $200 for the same.

Finally for me, Plasma works the best for my needs, I watch a lot of movies, the room it is in is mostly artificially lit and it offers a superior picture for my needs. I am on my 2nd Plasma and the only reason a bought a new one was my old one was only 42" and 720P, the new one is 50" and 1080P.
 
Generally, we have always heard the 3 S's are the best brands---Sony, Sharp and Samsung.
Hmmm... I've heard quite a bit different. Samsung is clearly, far and away, #1 on every list. #2 used to be Sony, but is now LG, with Sony a close #3. Also in the first-tier is Panasonic. Sharp is in the second-tier, with Toshiba and several other brands.

This is a good reference for how big of an HDTV to buy vs. how far away to put the HDTV from where you sit:

http://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hdtv_distance_chart.pdf
 
I just bought a new tv 2 weeks ago (my old one died). Here's what my research showed:

First decide how big you want to go. Since HDTVs are rectangles you'll need to go bigger than what you have now. To get an idea of how big you want measure how tall your current tv is and take a tape measure with you to the store, you want your new tv to be at least that same screen height. You may be limited on size by your available wall space, if so also measure how wide you can go then go to the store knowing your min height and max width to figure out your max size.

If you decide you want under 42 inches go with LCD. Bigger than 55 inches you should go with Plasma (LCD too expensive for big screens).

In between you can go either Plasma or LCD. LCD gets you a brighter less reflective screen which is good if you have a very sunny room and watch tv during daylight. If you have a darker room, Plasma gets true black so it's considered the best for a big home theater display. Looking side by side I couldn't tell the difference in black quality so I think that depends on how discriminating you are. In the past plasma had issues with burnin but that's been pretty much eliminated. Plasma uses more energy than LCD.

If you're getting a bigger screen (over 42 inches) go with 1080. If you watch Blu-ray movies, it'll be in 1080. If you want a TV under 42 inches you probably don't need 1080, since you won't be able to see that higher quality in a smaller screen.

Biggest brand names are Panasonic and Samsung. Others are fine too, but those are the two that always came up at the top in my searches. Other issues may factor into your decision. In my case I ended up going with Mitsubishi because I liked the sound bar option (most flat displays don't sound good unless you hook them up to a sound sound system). I also wanted a TV immediately and when I went shopping that's what was in stock; I was not willing to go without a tv for a week to wait for Samsung.
 
The latest Consumer Reports has an article on this very subject. You should check it out to get some unbiased facts.
 
When we were shopping for TV's everyone we talked to said that if you have a sunny room, don't get Plasma since the glare is bad.
 
When we were shopping for TV's everyone we talked to said that if you have a sunny room, don't get Plasma since the glare is bad.

True with most of the older sets, many of the newer ones have anti-glare filters and screens on them, so the issue is a little more diminished, but LCD still wins in the sunny room department.
 
We recently purchased a Samsung ToC - 52" - 1080p - 240 Hz - LCD HDTV

We are thrilled with the picture. It's a great TV. I think its close to a year old now.
About three months ago we bought a new one for the bedroom - 32" also a Samsung. That one is 720p - 60 Hz and its perfect for the room.

My husband researched TV's before we purchased and Samsung ended up being the winner hands down.
 
Sony is releasing a new line of LCD tv's right now.
As with all 1st generation things there bound to be bugs with some of them.
So be wary of that.

Samsung has a good overall rep BUT some of their models have had problems. Mostly the low end value models.

Once you decide on a model you like always google the model number and see what you come up with.
 
We recently purchased a Samsung ToC - 52" - 1080p - 240 Hz - LCD HDTV

We are thrilled with the picture. It's a great TV. I think its close to a year old now.
About three months ago we bought a new one for the bedroom - 32" also a Samsung. That one is 720p - 60 Hz and its perfect for the room.

My husband researched TV's before we purchased and Samsung ended up being the winner hands down.

We bought the 50" Ultra Thin Plasma from Samsung. Has the same cool factor as the LED LCD, but it's a much better fit for our watching style, and about $800 less for a comparable model in the LED LCD range (240hz is IMO comparable to a Plasma in terms of image smoothness).
 
I didn't realize that. I guess I'll have to figure that into the cost of the TV. My cable co charges an extra $10/month for the HD channels + an extra $6/mo for the HD compatable set top box. Hmmm - Then I guess I need all those fancy wires that are usually purchased seperately. Thanks for this info - I would've never known.

Depending on what you watch, you may not need the extra cable charges. FIOS provides the broadcast stations on HD plus a few others. I decided that we didn't watch enough of the other channels to add the HD portion (plus I have a really good deal until may and I didn't want to lose that.) You will need the HD compatable box, but if you have a DVR, you may already have that. I bought my fancy wires from Amazon. maybe $3, including shipping!

We got a new tv for christmas. A Panasonic Viera 37." According to my techno-geek neighbor, you don't have to worry about the 1080 v. 720 unless you have a larger screen, which you are looking to do. I fought getting it, because we don't watch much sports or action movies. But we did and I love it. LOVED having the Olympics on HD.
 
Once you decide on a model you like always google the model number and see what you come up with.
I would be more specific: Google the model number specifically on AVS Forum. For example,

Panasonic Viera TH-42PX80U site:avsforum.com

In one place you have the single greatest concentration of focus on that model, combining references to industry reviews with individual user experiences -- people you can reply to directly asking for clarifications and more details about what they encountered.
 
Believe it or not, Bang and Olufsen produce the best picture quality (despite the fact that their audio equipment isn't perfect) and the closest competitor is Loewe. After that come Pioneer and then Panasonic.



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Believe it or not, Bang and Olufsen produce the best picture quality (despite the fact that their audio equipment isn't perfect) and the closest competitor is Loewe. After that come Pioneer and then Panasonic.

Unfortunately in the US, B&O and Loewe are not that common, pretty much exclusive to high end retailers (with an accompanying price tag). Pioneer also makes some great sets, but the ones that are so great are well above the next tier (and their low end sets are not that good).
 





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