HELP! Am I doing something wrong??

Thank you, Shaden. Finally someone understands the mere simplicity of my point. Why would WDW require only a portion of their customer base to login for consecutive days when they could simplify things by merely allowing the millions of offsite customers who are planning to attend the parks on consecutive to login once to book all their FP's for the duration of their stay?

Consider that the "perk" of On-site booking would be severely handicapped by allowing the multi-day booking of off-site guests.
We are not talking about one specific date that sits fixed in the future.
WDW is open 365 days a year.
One guest's 60+10 date would also be thousands (tens of thousands +) of other guests' 30+10 date.
 
Thank you, Shaden. Finally someone understands the mere simplicity of my point. Why would WDW require only a portion of their customer base to login for consecutive days when they could simplify things by merely allowing the millions of offsite customers who are planning to attend the parks on consecutive to login once to book all their FP's for the duration of their stay?
Maybe, and this is just a wild thought, but maybe it's not a "benefit" of staying on site, but rather it's a penalty for not staying on site.

30 days advanced notice still provided plenty of time for them to staff for expected capacity.
 
Exactly. If you are staying at WDW they will know you are there for 14 days but only purchased 3 days of tickets. Where as if you are off property all they know is you bought 6 days of tickets. You could use all those tickets in 3 days if you went to two parks each day. They don't know how long you will be in the area.
Nope, that isn't how it works. You need to purchase park hopper if you want to go to more than one park per day.
 
I usually don't wade into these types of discussions, but it seems very clear to me:

In addition to having the benefit of booking up to 60 days in advance, on-site guests also receive the BENEFIT of only having to stay up one night to book all their FP+.

Off-site guests receive the benefit of booking 30 days in advance, but they have to stay up/get up every night to book each day they wish to book FP+ for the duration of their stay. This is another way Disney is incentivizing people to stay on-site. It isn't a matter of whether the technology can do it, tracking which days people will be visiting WDW, etc. It is simply a function of using the system to create another way to motivate people to stay on-site.
 

I actually didn't mind booking our FP+ reservations every night for a few days in a row when we went last December (we always stay offsite with friends). It was kind of a fun even each night to see what the system would let me do! :)
 
Of course, since I am on the West Coast it meant that I could do the reservations at 9:00pm at night instead of staying up until midnight each night...
 
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If you buy a ticket, which is also your charging device and room key etc, are staying on property, relying on Disney Transit, why does Disney Have to "lock you in", I'd say you are pretty locked in already. An offsite guest, with a car, staying at a hotel in Orlando, they have options.

I feel like you're contradicting yourself. Yes, an on-site guest is "locked in" as you say. Therefore, Disney wants to encourage as many people as possible to book on-site, and they do this by offering perks. FP+ at 60+10 days is one of those perks.
 
Also, I still don't see how Disney is supposed to know when your trip is just based on the first FP you make. Florida resident tickets are valid for 6 months after first use. Should it be 30 + 6 months for that group? :)
 
Thank you, Shaden. Finally someone understands the mere simplicity of my point. Why would WDW require only a portion of their customer base to login for consecutive days when they could simplify things by merely allowing the millions of offsite customers who are planning to attend the parks on consecutive to login once to book all their FP's for the duration of their stay?
There's a way to game that system.

Book your first FP for nine days *before* your arrival date. If the system were to allow ten days of booking, you now have opened up the window for your actual arrival date 39 days in advance. For a guest not staying on site, the system doesn't know that they're not actually arriving on that first date.

Intentional or not, this seems to be a rare instance of Disney actually preventing a loophole rather than discovering and closing it later.
 
Exactly. If you are staying at WDW they will know you are there for 14 days but only purchased 3 days of tickets. Where as if you are off property all they know is you bought 6 days of tickets. You could use all those tickets in 3 days if you went to two parks each day. They don't know how long you will be in the area.

Disney's ticket system will not allow you to use two park "days" in a single day. In order to enter more than one park per day, you have to have the park hopper option.
 
There's a way to game that system.

Book your first FP for nine days *before* your arrival date. If the system were to allow ten days of booking, you now have opened up the window for your actual arrival date 39 days in advance. For a guest not staying on site, the system doesn't know that they're not actually arriving on that first date.

Intentional or not, this seems to be a rare instance of Disney actually preventing a loophole rather than discovering and closing it later.
This is exactly what I was thinking!

On a separate issue, last August, at 60 days from check-in, I was able to book from check-in for length of stay (which was 15 days). We had 12 park days in the 15 day period and I was able to book them all at once. Has that changed to +10 now?

EDIT - I just looked at Mesaboys thread. It looks like it is still length of stay.
 
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I knew about the 30-day window for off property. I didn't realize that "offsiters" you couldn't book FPs 10 days out from arrival day.
You have been given the proper information. When offsite it is 30 days out for each day. So if you are going on a Monday to MK and that is at the 30th day, the next day would technically be 31 days out. I don't always go in consecutive days, so I just wait until my 30 days covers my entire plan and then set them up. My last trip I didn't even decide that I was going until 9 days before I arrived. So I just got on line and set them all up at the same time and got all the ones I wanted except 7DMT and I figured out a different way to get on that with limited wait time. We can make it as complicated or as simple as we want. Remember it's a theme park and if you cannot get a FP+ for a specific ride you can always go standby, there is no reason to miss one you really want. Or you can try it again on another trip. The world will not stop turning because of a missed attraction, there are plenty others. A lot of them are way underrated.
 
There's a way to game that system.

Book your first FP for nine days *before* your arrival date. If the system were to allow ten days of booking, you now have opened up the window for your actual arrival date 39 days in advance. For a guest not staying on site, the system doesn't know that they're not actually arriving on that first date.

Intentional or not, this seems to be a rare instance of Disney actually preventing a loophole rather than discovering and closing it later.


This is already happening in several ways APs, Onsite stays, etc, Its called "walking" a reservation

For instance if you are planning on going from May 10 - 16, pretty easy to book a reservation from May 6 - 16. or May 1 - 10, then book your FPs for the actual dates you want, and call in and modify your reservation stay dates as you like. Potentially this might mean calling in each day and walking your reservation day by day so you can book your May 10th FPs on May 1 ... May 2 you call in alter you dates by a day, book your May 11 FPs, so on and so forth. This has and is being done.

This is NOT why the system is set up how it is.

If it were, there is a SIMPLE solution, you make the Ticket "Active" as soon as you book an FP. Meaning whether you show up or not, you burned a day of tickets. Now, I can see that causing issues as well. Imagine you are planning on flying in and using a ticket on arrival day, that night ride some mountains and catch wishes ... but your flight is delayed, should that cost you a days ticket, no. But you could say, limit your FP window, so if you start and FP window on May 1, to really book until May 10, as an offsite guest your FP window wont advance again until 30 days before may 10. So on April 1 you can book May 1 - 10, but if you want to "walk" your reservations, after you initially book and open your FP bookings for May 1 - 10, you need to wait until April 10 to book May 10 - 20. REALLY simple server side solution, wouldn't negatively impact 99.9% of offsite guests, would positively impact 99.9% of offsite guests booking FPs.

And seriously, if I can think of this in 30 seconds sitting here, I am really hopeful that a multi-billion dollar company could figure this out with a little effort.
 
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There's a way to game that system.
Book your first FP for nine days *before* your arrival date. If the system were to allow ten days of booking, you now have opened up the window for your actual arrival date 39 days in advance. For a guest not staying on site, the system doesn't know that they're not actually arriving on that first date.
Intentional or not, this seems to be a rare instance of Disney actually preventing a loophole rather than discovering and closing it later.

That's a good point.
 
It seems to me that if Disney wanted to to a better job of locking in offsite guests what they should do is make your FP+ active at the 30 day mark and then allow you to book as many consecutive days as you have tickets attached to your MDE. That way they would be making off site guests purchase their tickets in advance and locking them in to those days. Seems like a win-win.
 
It seems to me that if Disney wanted to to a better job of locking in offsite guests what they should do is make your FP+ active at the 30 day mark and then allow you to book as many consecutive days as you have tickets attached to your MDE. That way they would be making off site guests purchase their tickets in advance and locking them in to those days. Seems like a win-win.

Consider that the "perk" of On-site booking would be severely handicapped by allowing the multi-day booking of off-site guests.
We are not talking about one specific date that sits fixed in the future.
WDW is open 365 days a year.
One guest's 60+10 date would also be thousands (tens of thousands +) of other guests' 30+10 date.
 

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