Have to get this off my chest, was I wrong?

[okeydokey]

I would have offered to take a picture of the whole family for them.

 

[KellyNY]

There's no sign that you shouldn't defecate in the line entrance, either, but I'm pretty sure most people realize that's not allowed.

And most people realize you not suppose to stop and hold others for more then few moments as well.

 

[Love Tink]

And most people realize you not suppose to stop and hold others for more then few moments as well.

NYTimez and others...you have found yourselves in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

But at least no one has yet come to the defense of those who feel it is their right to defecate in line. (Or maybe defecate, but only if it doesn't cause the line to pause for more than five seconds? Wouldn't want to hold anyone up in their rush to wait in line some more.)

 

[disneyfav4ever]

I would've waited unless the line was empty ahead, which it never is unless I'm there right at rope drop.

 

[KellyNY]

NYTimez and others...you have found yourselves in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

WOW, lets start personal attacks, right.

 

[Wadecool]

NYTimez and others...you have found yourselves in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Wow. Not sure who you're referring to but that was certainly uncalled for.

 

[ccgirl]

Maybe the guy behind you shouldn't have beeped, but the guy behind him, waiting to pull up to the ordering kiosk, sure would have been justified. While you're counting your change, nobody behind you can move, which means there's someone who could have been ordering but isn't.

He was the last one in the line. The amount of space between the car and the one in front was really not much. I just wasn't on his bumper. Whether I counted my change then or at the window he would have waited the same time.

And? What would ordering 15 seconds earlier have done?

Exactly. BUt, he had already ordered. He just wanted me to move closer to the car in front of me. He still couldn't reach the window to pay even if I did that. He just wanted to hurry up and wait I guess.

Well, for one thing, MdDs can get the orders together so they're ready when the cars pull up to the last window. For another, leaving empty space in the line has a domino effect on everybody behind you.

Basically, I think your analogy fails as to TSM because at McD's, your delay actually stops people from moving forward and increases their wait time, and many people have argued emphatically that that's not the case at TSM. To me, your situation is more akin to the people who feel the need to leave several car lengths between them and the car in front when they're stopped at a traffic light, heedless of the fact that by taking so much space, they're blocking people behind them from moving into the turn lanes. Yes, everybody will eventually get through the light in the same order, but several people may have to wait out a cycle if they can't fill the turn lane because someone else has left a large empty space in front.

SOrry, I don't wait wait right on someone's bumper. What if they roll back? I wasn't a car length back or even 1/2 car length. Maybe 3 feet.

I think it's important to remember that while many of us are able to take trips somewhat frequently, many others will only go to WDW once in their life. Perhaps this was their once in a lifetime trip. I think it's important to really put things in perspective.

 

[WDSearcher]

And most people realize you not suppose to stop and hold others for more then few moments as well.

Depends on if that person perceives it as "holding others for more than a few moments". If someone is taking a few pictures and the line in front of them is still clearly in sight -- as in, "I'm not keeping anyone out of a ride car or away from the merge point" -- then they may not see it as holding others up. As has been clear throughout this thread, some people aren't bothered by some blank space in a line if the line has not reached a critical merge or boarding point. Some people are.

If I look at how the line is moving and know that by the time I'm done taking my photos, the line will not have yet reached the merge point, I may not see that as holding you up. And if you DO feel it necessary to go by me to close up the space in line and all it does is put you in front of me but you're still waiting, then I might also perceive that as line cutting. Particularly if the people behind you have continued to stand in line without any problem.

Because in that instance, I haven't kept you from getting on the ride in your turn. You have, however, taken a spot away from me. And for no reason except that you don't like that there's blank space in the line.

I do think that there are times when "filling in the space" is warranted. If you're in an active boarding area and cars are coming and being filled and dispatched, then yeah -- move in. The person who stops for an elective activity (taking photos) vs. something more necessary (picking up a dropped ticket) takes the chance of losing their place. But if the only purpose of me passing you in line is to fill in the space to wait some more, then I think that's silly. It seems to me that you're really concerned that the line keep moving at a steady pace, regardless of whether a short stop here or there is going to matter in the long run.

 

[BrerNashville]

And most people realize you not suppose to stop and hold others for more then few moments as well.

I think you people have lost sight of the point of this thread -- the OP asked if she was wrong to call out a family who had stopped to take, what was in her mind, too many pictures.

The question was NOT "were the picture takers wrong to take pictures in line and should they have let others go past them while they did it." We each have our own internal, subjective, gauge as to when the picture takers' actions become unreasonable.

Regardless of the answer to the latter question, Disney has not appointed the OP, KellyNY or anyone else as the enforcer of his or her common sense, and given license to dole out proper punishment, or to exact proper revenge, in the form of line jumping for lack of consideration or perceived slights by other guests. And yes, this was line jumping -- the OP tried to move in front of someone who was in line ahead of her. People have been arguing it was "justifiable" line jumping, but line jumping it was.

I have argued that a simple rule by which you can regulate your own conduct, and perhaps dial down your own irritation in the process, is to ask yourself "Am I being delayed by this nonsense in front of me"? If the answer is no, what possible inconvenience are you incurring by waiting patiently and biting your tongue? At the point you do become objectively inconvenienced -- i.e. the line is getting close to the FP merger point and you will have to run to catch up so the CM doesn't shut down the standby line in favor of the FP line again -- by all means say or do something.

But short of that, just because you think someone else is acting like a jerk, doesn't mean you should respond in kind. And if you do, be prepared for the discomfort of the pushback.

 

[okeydokey]

And most people realize you not suppose to stop and hold others for more then few moments as well.

But in the end you are not being held up at all. After the picture taking experience there is still lots of line left. Everyone will all catch up well before it is time to board the ride. Who cares where in the line you happen to get stopped.

 

[BrerNashville]

Who cares where in the line you happen to get stopped.

Apparently, the OP, KellyNY, OhioDad something or other and several others do. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. I'm happy to let you take a turn banging your head against this wall trying to tease out their answer.

 

[thomas998]

There's no sign that you shouldn't defecate in the line entrance, either, but I'm pretty sure most people realize that's not allowed.

I think if you tried to poop in line you would be breaking some laws when you dropped your pants... indecent exposure comes to mind... so no need to post a rule against something that would only happen if you were breaking the law.

 

[nytimez]

I think if you tried to poop in line you would be breaking some laws when you dropped your pants... indecent exposure comes to mind... so no need to post a rule against something that would only happen if you were breaking the law.

Oh yeah?

 

[KellyNY]

I think you people have lost sight of the point of this thread -- the OP asked if she was wrong to call out a family who had stopped to take, what was in her mind, too many pictures.

The question was NOT "were the picture takers wrong to take pictures in line and should they have let others go past them while they did it." We each have our own internal, subjective, gauge as to when the picture takers' actions become unreasonable.

Regardless of the answer to the latter question, Disney has not appointed the OP, KellyNY or anyone else as the enforcer of his or her common sense, and given license to dole out proper punishment, or to exact proper revenge, in the form of line jumping for lack of consideration or perceived slights by other guests. And yes, this was line jumping -- the OP tried to move in front of someone who was in line ahead of her. People have been arguing it was "justifiable" line jumping, but line jumping it was.

I have argued that a simple rule by which you can regulate your own conduct, and perhaps dial down your own irritation in the process, is to ask yourself "Am I being delayed by this nonsense in front of me"? If the answer is no, what possible inconvenience are you incurring by waiting patiently and biting your tongue? At the point you do become objectively inconvenienced -- i.e. the line is getting close to the FP merger point and you will have to run to catch up so the CM doesn't shut down the standby line in favor of the FP line again -- by all means say or do something.

But short of that, just because you think someone else is acting like a jerk, doesn't mean you should respond in kind. And if you do, be prepared for the discomfort of the pushback.

Actually since OP moved by, she already considered stopping for extended period of time to be wrong. So she never asked opinion on that as this was given.
You keep pushing idea of overall affect on your waiting time as this is only variable in the equation but it is not. Why should people run to catch up with a tail of the line which is not in sight anymore? Why new comers have to be outside instead of entering building? Why someone who is 10 people away from picture taker and not really in Mr. Potato area yet will have to run and not take even a quick shoot because now everyone is catching on? There are many variables here you ignore to see.
Thanks God majority of picture takers and there is a lot of them including me will simply tell people to move on or will not even think twice why people are moving and the least, will ever try to act nasty when they started all that in a first place. OP story is just one of those horror extremes by someone entitled. This is my perspective on this, like it or not.

 

[KB24]

i see no problem with it. in fact, id prefer people pass me when i do this instead of awkwardly glare at me for taking photos.

 

[ols386]

If I'm in line and someone stops to take photos, as in this thread, I'll wait for a bit (maybe 2 minutes), and after that point in time, I'm walking around them. If/when they catch up to me, they are more than welcome to go around me to resume their original place in line. If someone thinks I am rude or cutting in line, then so be it.

 

[BrerNashville]

Whenever you seek to impose your own standards on others, you will "ignore to see" many variables, and thus risk unwarranted confrontation. While I admire your altruistic desire to help those people at the end of the line, who may or may not be outside, and who in any event will soon spend the next 120 minutes of their lives indoors, I find it a wee bit convenient that in helping them, you are helping yourself to a better place in line.

By suggesting you chill out unless you are actually being harmed, I am not seeking to impose my standards on anybody -- I'm simply suggesting you might be a happier person (and you will avoid avoidable conflicts) if you didn't worry about something that is not harming you.

 

[ccgirl]

How about when someone is taking a picture and you wait for them to take the picture so you don't cut in front of it? Technically, they are holding you up as well. Or, do you just cut right through and don't care if you cut in front of their picture?

OP - how long were they there taking pictures?

 

[atp]

The way I see it, a line for an attraction is VERY different from a drive thru line or a grocery store line. If you are in the grocery store you have to get all your food on the belt, get it scanned, pay for it...people expect that there's no telling how long it will take for each person to do this.

However, on a ride line you don't have to DO anything except follow the line and board the ride. That's it.

The way I see it, on ride lines, you have to follow the line. If the lines move, you move, if it stops you stop. Whoever is not following what's happening is in the wrong. So if you are taking pictures because the line is stopped, fine, take your time. But once the line starts moving you need to either start preparing to move as well or relinquish your spot.

That seems fair enough to me.

Just like it won't (supposedly) make a difference if I wait for someone who decided to stop the line, it won't make a difference to them to be a few spots behind. They are clearly not in a hurry if they are taking their time with pictures and whatnot.

 

[goofy4tink]

I would have offered to take a picture of the whole family for them.

Me too...guess that makes us kind of unusual. Rather than moan and groan that they were taking too long, we would hold up those behind all of us now!!!