Has Anyone Paid A Room Recovery Fee?

[Bangerang]

Actually it is funny that you brought this up. While staying at SSR a group of teens staying in one of the rooms came back from DTD drunk and decided to do a little vandalism. They trashed the room they were in, and also trashed they area outside in the hallways, taking trash and throwing it over the 2nd story (pizza boxes, dirty diapers, dirty towels,etc...) and then drove their car into a tree. The teens were arrested, their parents, who WERE DVC members had to pay the recovery fee and damages to the facilities, and they also had their membership revoked!

I think I saw that movie... "Ferris Bueller visits WDW". Seriously, I can't find any news links about this story. I would think that if anything like that really happened the media and fan sites would be all over it especially if an arrest were involved. Could this be another best friend's babysitter's second cousin story? Can any CMs lurking out there confirm or deny it?

 

[BEASLYBOO]

They had there DVC membership revoked? They can do that?

I would think that they were threathened with the possibility but once the dust settled I doubt the membership was revoked. As long as the resort was compensated for the damages there's no reason for their membership to be revoked unless there was a history of this type of abuse!

What's the old addage, you can only believe 1/2 of what you hear!

 

[crisi]

I think I saw that movie... "Ferris Bueller visits WDW". Seriously, I can't find any news links about this story. I would think that if anything like that really happened the media and fan sites would be all over it especially if an arrest were involved. Could this be another best friend's babysitter's second cousin story? Can any CMs lurking out there confirm or deny it?

Disney tends to do a pretty good job keeping arrests out of the media. There wasn't a lot of publicity over the problems they had at PI, or the breakins in the DTD parking lot.

There are arrests at Disney I'd guess more days than not. I've had a few conversations over the years with Disney security - the one I remember best was the two wedding parties that got hauled in because a fist fight broke out over bridesmaids (alcohol was involved).

 

[dianeschlicht]

We once got a villa at OKW that we had a big delay getting into. They explained that the previous occupants had trashed it, and more clean up and repair time was needed. They even had to replace the entire master bath vanity. They apologized for the inconvenience and explained that they would be back the next day to repair the tile under the vanity. We came back the next day and all was completely fixed in our bathroom.

Now I ask....How in the heck can you or would you do THAT much damage? What kind of place do these people live in?

 

[sissy_ib]

I would think that they were threathened with the possibility but once the dust settled I doubt the membership was revoked. As long as the resort was compensated for the damages there's no reason for their membership to be revoked unless there was a history of this type of abuse!

What's the old addage, you can only believe 1/2 of what you hear!

That's my guess. Like if you don't pay your dues there is a "hold" on your account so you cant use your points. I'm guessing in a serious damage situation DVC would do the same thing.

 

[scauzilloc1121]

This wasn't a first cousin twice removed. I was actually standing right there as they arrested the kids because their room was in the same area I was staying in and only a few doors down. I spoke to the arresting officer along with manager/Disney security and they were the ones telling me that the room was trashed, that the maintenance would be by in the morning to repair so there would be some excess noise and that they now had to deal with the owners of the vacation club membership. They told me they were revoking their privileges and they have a lot of explaining to do because they allowed underage kids to stay at the place alone. Living here in Central Florida and being an annual passholder, I have seen quite a few arrested at Disney due to behavior and other illegal behavior. You never read about it in the news unless it is a death or someone suing Disney for something so this type of arrest I am sure would not make it there. Orlando/Kissimmee are not a small towns where they report every incident. A lot of times there are things that never make it in the paper, news, online, etc...

 

[dianeschlicht]

This wasn't a first cousin twice removed. I was actually standing right there as they arrested the kids because their room was in the same area I was staying in and only a few doors down. I spoke to the arresting officer along with manager/Disney security and they were the ones telling me that the room was trashed, that the maintenance would be by in the morning to repair so there would be some excess noise and that they now had to deal with the owners of the vacation club membership. They told me they were revoking their privileges and they have a lot of explaining to do because they allowed underage kids to stay at the place alone. Living here in Central Florida and being an annual passholder, I have seen quite a few arrested at Disney due to behavior and other illegal behavior. You never read about it in the news unless it is a death or someone suing Disney for something so this type of arrest I am sure would not make it there. Orlando/Kissimmee are not a small towns where they report every incident. A lot of times there are things that never make it in the paper, news, online, etc...

Okay, but saying they must deal with the owner and revoking privileges does not mean they revoked their membership. It simply means they will be holding them responsible for the damage, and the privilege will be revoked until such time as the damages are paid for.

 

[sissy_ib]

Okay, but saying they must deal with the owner and revoking privileges does not mean they revoked their membership. It simply means they will be holding them responsible for the damage, and the privilege will be revoked until such time as the damages are paid for.

I would not be surprised if they were thrown out of the resort that night for the remainder of the stay and not refunded any points. But Disney security or a resort manager are not the people who get to decide if a membership is revoked.
This is a issue I'm sure DVD legal took up and I'm sure they are the ones who would make that kind of decision.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I would not be surprised if they were thrown out of the resort that night for the remainder of the stay and not refunded any points. But Disney security or a resort manager are not the people who get to decide if a membership is revoked.
This is a issue I'm sure DVD legal took up and I'm sure they are the ones who would make that kind of decision.

Exactly. Plus, I'm quite sure they couldn't make any reservations and had other reservations put on hold as well until they paid damages. We've seen similar things happen here when renters have left a balance due, and the owners were not allowed to check in or make reservations until restitution.

 

[scauzilloc1121]

Okay, but saying they must deal with the owner and revoking privileges does not mean they revoked their membership. It simply means they will be holding them responsible for the damage, and the privilege will be revoked until such time as the damages are paid for.

Ok I am sure that is what happened but since I am not an employee of Disney I really do not know what they did. But the manager's exact words to me at that time were, and I quote, "These Disney Vacation Club Members will be having their membership revoked due to this incident". What that means is anyone's guess unless you work for DVC, are their lawyers, or you are actually the members that have to deal with this. I was just reporting as to what the manager said and what I saw. I was not making any assumptions as to what it meant.

 

[crisi]

Illegal acts in your room would constitute a breach of your contract - there is a clause in there. That could include underage drinking or vandalism. Disney can terminate upon breach. Whether they WOULD or not, I don't know.

 

[DenLo]

I didn't pull out the POS, but in the Declaration for BLT, one of my home resorts, it shows:

Failure of a Club member to comply with the terms and conditions of this Agreement, the Home Resort Rules and Regulations or the Condominium Documents may result in the denial of the right of the non-complying Club Member to reserve, check in or use the Vacation Homes and facilities of the Condominium or to voluntarily participate in the DVC Reservation Component by requesting a reservation for accommodations at other DVC Resorts until such time as the Club Member is in compliance.

Every DVC resort has similar documentation that gives the DVC the right to revoke your membership. And if it goes to court possibly taking your points from you. We as members are only leasing the use of the property we don't own it. If you abuse you can lose it. And BTW if you find yourself in this situation, you would still need to pay your dues because otherwise you are continuing to break the Rules and Regs.

 

[BeesKnees]

I would not be surprised if they were thrown out of the resort that night for the remainder of the stay and not refunded any points. But Disney security or a resort manager are not the people who get to decide if a membership is revoked.
This is a issue I'm sure DVD legal took up and I'm sure they are the ones who would make that kind of decision.

The manager was probably speaking from experience not authority which is sad when you think about it.

 

[TagsMissy]

The pack and plays can be very unsanitary. So alot of people bring their own. Just saying. No flames please!

I see nothing strange with people bringing or using their own P&P. If I were driving and had a young one I'd probably use my own too,

 

[laura-k]

I think a while back someone posted something about a bad husband and this happening
where they where all asked to leave and later the poster said she wasn't able to make a reservation -
I wish I could remember more of the details ,so I could find it and see if she reposted what happened ,but I am pretty sure I read it here ,as I get most of my Disney stuff from this site - anyone remember seeing this ???

 

[TagsMissy]

The teens were arrested, their parents, who WERE DVC members had to pay the recovery fee and damages to the facilities, and they also had their membership revoked!

And you know this how? .... I can see you knowing the kids were arrested if you visually saw it; the statement above I find hard to believe... unless of course you were told by a bus driver...

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I didn't pull out the POS, but in the Declaration for BLT, one of my home resorts, it shows:



Every DVC resort has similar documentation that gives the DVC the right to revoke your membership. And if it goes to court possibly taking your points from you. We as members are only leasing the use of the property we don't own it. If you abuse you can lose it. And BTW if you find yourself in this situation, you would still need to pay your dues because otherwise you are continuing to break the Rules and Regs.

It is not a lease. Not in a legal sense. It is a DEEDED REAL ESTATE interest recorded at the county registrar's office and is a full real estate ownership in the eyes of the state of FL. It simply has a termination of rights date.

You don't lease DVC like you lease a car. It's not the same thing.

You are certainly free to believe what you choose to believe, of course, but I see nothing in the verbiage you posted that gives DVD any rights with regards to taking back your ownership.

If I buy a house and pay for it legally, God can't take it away from me in NC (there are some exceptions now law that have yet to actually play fully out in a court of law but they are not applicable in any way here). I suspect it's the same way in FL.

There's no provision for DVD to "buy me out at their sole discretion" and they certainly cannot take it from me without monetary compensation.

I choose to believe this because this is the law and just good ole common horse-sense until someone shows me case law where an ownership has been revoked and taken back.

The old saying, "A man's home is his castle." is more than just an adage for the ages. It is the law in the US. Deeded property is a home. Again, until someone proves me wrong, I stand by my contentions.

 

[scauzilloc1121]

And you know this how? .... I can see you knowing the kids were arrested if you visually saw it; the statement above I find hard to believe... unless of course you were told by a bus driver...

Like I said in my previous posts that I was told this by the General Manager who was there at the time and again I was only posting what I was told and saw, I was not making any assumptions whether or not if it was true, I do not work for DVC, I am not their lawyers and and it wasn't my kids that did this.

 

[zalansky]

I find it hard to believe membership would be revoked. So, what would DVC do? Keep all your money and cancel your membership? Good luck.

As for the pack n play issue, we always brought our own when the kids were little. They may look clean, but could be covered in germs. No thank you. I wouldn't think twice about seeing someone leave with a P&P.

Interesting thread!

 

[Bangerang]

I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibility that DVC would assume back control of a contract if someone knowingly violated the covenants of that contract. After all that's what happens when maintenance fees aren't paid. When you buy into DVC you agree to pay these fees along with not abusing the property and a whole host of other things. Owners are also responsible for making sure that anyone staying under their membership abides by these rules as well. Since in this case we are talking about a parent/child relationship, it was the parents responsibility to make sure their kid(s) knew the consequences of trashing the place and trusted that they would abide by DVC rules or they shouldn't have made the reservation in the first place. There are any number of cases around the country where homeowners groups have foreclosed on pieces of property because covenants were violate.

Even if DVC doesn't go as far as taking back the property they can suspend usage which in effect is the same thing. As an owner, why hold onto something you have to keep paying for (MFs) but can't use.