Has anyone bought resale through Disney?

I subscribe to the idea "buy what you can afford, now." When we were shopping contracts, I had a top number that I did not want to exceed. Once DH & I settled on BCV as where we wanted to buy, I kept my eye on resale BCV contracts (and the ROFR thread) to see what we could afford.

I am happy to say I came in under budget. We sent in closing documents on our BCV contract this weekend.
 
Thanks for the continued discussion and feedback. :)

What would you do in this scenario? We're looking to buy about 200-225 points.

We will have about $6-$8k to throw towards this in the spring, with the same amount going towards it the following year (and the year after that). We don't need to vacation at Disney next year as our intention is to take our family every other year and we did Disney last month. We would like to use our DVC in 2014 for sure. Ideally, we are looking then at Hawaii OR splitting our time between Disney/Vero Beach.

(a) Would you purchase what you want (e.g., 225 points at BCV) through Disney putting a significant down payment down with the intention to pay it all off in 2-3 years?

(b) Or would you purchase a third of the points you really want in cash next year (e.g., 75 BCV points)/a third of the same points the following year/and a third of the final points the third year? And cross your fingers you get your use years to line up?

(c) Or would you buy as much as you could with the cheapest contract available next year with the intention to only buy ONE more contract the following year paying no attention to park resort/use year?

This is pretty much what I'm trying to decide on at this point. Thoughts are greatly appreciated. :)

I wouldn't choose option (a) for reasons I will get into later.

I wouldn't choose option (b) because that has headache and disaster written all over it.

I would consider option (c) if you had a vacation scheduled in 2013, but since you don't, I wouldn't go that route either.

I would choose option (d), none of the above. Helpful right? :) Please allow me to explain. First off, I'm not sure why BCV is so important to you if you're talking about going to Hawaii, Disney and Vero Beach. So, like others have said, if where you stay on Disney property isn't that important to you, I would definitely buy SSR resale. It's the best bang for the buck and the lowest maintenance fees relative to purchase price.

However, if owning at BCV is that important to you, this is what I would advise. Take the $6,000-8,000 you have now and put it in the bank, under your mattress, in the cookie jar, whatever. Next year, take another $6,000-8,000 that you will have available, combine it with the first $6,000-8,000 and buy a 200-250 point BCV resale contract, in cash.

Here are the numbers behind my opinion (keep in mind that the numbers could change, but most likely not too significantly).

Buying direct in 2012 with financing, paying over three years:

225 points x $115 a point = $25,875 + $5,625 interest = $31,500 total purchase price

(assumes 10% interest for 4 years)

Buying resale in 2013 paying cash at closing:

225 points at $75 a point = $16,875. That's it.

Your savings in this case is significant and you will still have the points you need for your 2014 vacation. Plus, if the contract has any previous year's points in it you could rent them out for $10 a piece through a point rental broker. (I didn't include that in the calculations because some people are not comfortable with that, but if you did that it would reduce your buy in cost. I also think that $75 is a very conservative estimate for what a BCV contract will cost you. My thought is that you could easily get one for closer to $70.)

I know it takes patience to wait a year, but if you're not going until 2014 I don't see any reason why you need to buy a contract this year. I would look to buy a contract about 14 months prior to when you want to vacation in 2014. This gives you three months to find a contract and close and then you will be right at the 11 month booking window when you do.

Good luck making your decision. If you ask me, it's pretty clear. :)
 
I subscribe to the idea "buy what you can afford, now." When we were shopping contracts, I had a top number that I did not want to exceed. Once DH & I settled on BCV as where we wanted to buy, I kept my eye on resale BCV contracts (and the ROFR thread) to see what we could afford.

I am happy to say I came in under budget. We sent in closing documents on our BCV contract this weekend.

I like the 'buy what you can afford' approach too. I'm not opposed to financing, but my wife and I ultimately decided that we could piece this over time instead.

We just signed a contract for 100 OKW points. Is it a lot? No. But we can book our planned Thanksgiving 2013 trip at the 11 month mark.

I know we'll be adding down the road, but now that I've got my "base" points in place I can comfortably book our 2013 trip and shop around for more while we wait and as more funds become available.
 
I like the 'buy what you can afford' approach too. I'm not opposed to financing, but my wife and I ultimately decided that we could piece this over time instead.

We just signed a contract for 100 OKW points. Is it a lot? No. But we can book our planned Thanksgiving 2013 trip at the 11 month mark.

I know we'll be adding down the road, but now that I've got my "base" points in place I can comfortably book our 2013 trip and shop around for more while we wait and as more funds become available.

I agree. Doug had a great post illustrating this point perfectly. If he sees this, maybe he'll post a link. :)
 

What would you do in this scenario? We're looking to buy about 200-225 points.

We will have about $6-$8k to throw towards this in the spring, with the same amount going towards it the following year (and the year after that). We don't need to vacation at Disney next year as our intention is to take our family every other year and we did Disney last month. We would like to use our DVC in 2014 for sure. Ideally, we are looking then at Hawaii OR splitting our time between Disney/Vero Beach.

Based on all of this I would save the $6-8k until next year to combine with next years savings and then purchase resale. You don't have a need for the points prior to that and will not need to finance if you wait and save at the amounts you mentioned.
 
I agree with PPs. Save your money. Wait until next year and then buy resale with cash. You have no plans to visit WDW until 2014, there is no rush.

Stick around & read up on DVC. Make sure that you understand how it works and that it is a good fit for you and your travel patterns. When you are ready to start shopping in earnest you will know exactly what you want. (And if you keep up with the ROFR thread, you will know exactly what you are willing to pay for what you want on the resale market.). GL
 
I completely agree with the last couple of posters. Since you have no immediate need for the points/contract and have another $6000-$8000 coming in a year, wait and buy resale then. You should be able to find something appropriate in time to book your 2014 trip, and will end up paying a lot less.

Also, as Elmc said, make sure you really want/need BCV. You pay a substantial premium over SSR (say). It's worth it if you want to stay at BCV, especially during popular periods, but it's a waste if you plan to use your points mostly for HHI, Aulani, or other WDW resorts.
 
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It's so interesting to read the different points of view on here, and I think that your experience is particularly unique. I think that VGC is a very different animal than the WDW DVC resorts for the reasons you mentioned. Add to that the fact that it is such a small resort that the chance of a non owner being able to book there at will are relatively slim. If I weren't an east coaster and wanted to own at VGC I would most likely buy direct as well. However, I don't think that your experiences translate directly to WDW DVC resorts. There are so many options at such a great savings that I would be hard pressed to recommend a direct purchase there.

Very true and agreed..unless you really need a certain use year/quantity at your existing home resort. For me, VGC is the ideal home resort since I go there exclusively and if I do decide to return to WDW can probably find something at 7 months.
 
Very true and agreed..unless you really need a certain use year/quantity at your existing home resort. For me, VGC is the ideal home resort since I go there exclusively and if I do decide to return to WDW can probably find something at 7 months.

Either that or arrange a trade. At some point in the future I would have to imagine that I'll be able to take a trip to Disneyland. If I did, I would seek to arrange a trade of BWV points for VGC points, maybe from someone who was looking to book BWV during Food and Wine at the 11 month window. (Note: I'm not soliciting a trade, just saying that if I were to stay at VGC that is how I would go about doing it). :)
 
Either that or arrange a trade. At some point in the future I would have to imagine that I'll be able to take a trip to Disneyland. If I did, I would seek to arrange a trade of BWV points for VGC points, maybe from someone who was looking to book BWV during Food and Wine at the 11 month window. (Note: I'm not soliciting a trade, just saying that if I were to stay at VGC that is how I would go about doing it). :)

And don't forget you can always make a transfer from a fellow DVC owner who owns at the resort where you want/need the 11 month window.

Stephen
 
So, to continue the conversation...

We do not have $6-8k set aside in our budget this year. (Oh, if only I could rewind time and drop the $6k we spent on Disney last month into the DVC...) We would be using our yearly vacation budget to pay for our membership, so we will have funds to do that (that aforementioned $6-8k) in the spring of 2013. Essentially, if we skip a vacation next year (which I really don't want to do), I could see us having $14k by the spring of 2014 to buy a decent contract. But, more than likely, I'm seeing us taking some sort of non-Disney vacation next summer, which would mean we would probably have $11k by the spring of 2014, which really isn't enough for us to buy 200-225 BCV points to vacation that year. (Which is why I am leaning towards financing because we do plan to go to Disney in 2014 and I don't want to pay cash for a room for that trip and not put it towards our a DVC membership--that would be silly, IMO...)

On the other hand, I could probably buy 200 OKW points (assuming I could find a $55 pp contract) in 2 years' time (which was my option C...) and take our planned 2014 vacation...

My heart is not entirely set on BCV, but we stayed at Yacht Club in June and loved it. Loved it. I love the location, I loved the theming, the pool--pretty much everything that everyone loves about the Beach or Yacht Club. We see ourselves vacationing with our family every other year (during the summer as our kids are school aged and it's difficult for them to take off during non-holiday times), and my husband and I would like to take a short 2-3 night stay during the off-years and do F&W. Because I know BCV is hard to get during F&W at 7 months and since it's a little more challenging to get during the summer-only months (and we'd be primarily looking to go during the 2 weeks of mid-to-late August when the rates go down), it would be frustrating for me to get a non-BCV resort, right? I don't want to spend all of this money--whether it's $11k or $22k--and find the process to be a let down if we aren't able to get the resort we want since our vacation times for the immediate dozen years are more or less restricted by our kids' school schedules.
 
jennybdis said:
So, to continue the conversation...

We do not have $6-8k set aside in our budget this year. (Oh, if only I could rewind time and drop the $6k we spent on Disney last month into the DVC...) We would be using our yearly vacation budget to pay for our membership, so we will have funds to do that (that aforementioned $6-8k) in the spring of 2013. Essentially, if we skip a vacation next year (which I really don't want to do), I could see us having $14k by the spring of 2014 to buy a decent contract. But, more than likely, I'm seeing us taking some sort of non-Disney vacation next summer, which would mean we would probably have $11k by the spring of 2014, which really isn't enough for us to buy 200-225 BCV points to vacation that year. (Which is why I am leaning towards financing because we do plan to go to Disney in 2014 and I don't want to pay cash for a room for that trip and not put it towards our a DVC membership--that would be silly, IMO...)

On the other hand, I could probably buy 200 OKW points (assuming I could find a $55 pp contract) in 2 years' time (which was my option C...) and take our planned 2014 vacation...

My heart is not entirely set on BCV, but we stayed at Yacht Club in June and loved it. Loved it. I love the location, I loved the theming, the pool--pretty much everything that everyone loves about the Beach or Yacht Club. We see ourselves vacationing with our family every other year (during the summer as our kids are school aged and it's difficult for them to take off during non-holiday times), and my husband and I would like to take a short 2-3 night stay during the off-years and do F&W. Because I know BCV is hard to get during F&W at 7 months and since it's a little more challenging to get during the summer-only months (and we'd be primarily looking to go during the 2 weeks of mid-to-late August when the rates go down), it would be frustrating for me to get a non-BCV resort, right? I don't want to spend all of this money--whether it's $11k or $22k--and find the process to be a let down if we aren't able to get the resort we want since our vacation times for the immediate dozen years are more or less restricted by our kids' school schedules.

Right...you did say your money would be available in the spring, sorry i missed that. In this case you have a little tougher decision. If you work with the timeshare store they do have lenders that they work with for resale purchases. The rate is high, but it is still a substantial savings over buying direct. However, in this case I would recommend buying two contracts. Buy what you can afford in the spring at either OKW or SSR. If you find a contract with previous years points you can bank them and have enough for your 2014 trip. Then when you have more money, you can buy a 100 point BCV contract that will get you 11 month booking for F&W. Good luck!
 
So, to continue the conversation...

We do not have $6-8k set aside in our budget this year. (Oh, if only I could rewind time and drop the $6k we spent on Disney last month into the DVC...) We would be using our yearly vacation budget to pay for our membership, so we will have funds to do that (that aforementioned $6-8k) in the spring of 2013. Essentially, if we skip a vacation next year (which I really don't want to do), I could see us having $14k by the spring of 2014 to buy a decent contract. But, more than likely, I'm seeing us taking some sort of non-Disney vacation next summer, which would mean we would probably have $11k by the spring of 2014, which really isn't enough for us to buy 200-225 BCV points to vacation that year. (Which is why I am leaning towards financing because we do plan to go to Disney in 2014 and I don't want to pay cash for a room for that trip and not put it towards our a DVC membership--that would be silly, IMO...)

On the other hand, I could probably buy 200 OKW points (assuming I could find a $55 pp contract) in 2 years' time (which was my option C...) and take our planned 2014 vacation...

My heart is not entirely set on BCV, but we stayed at Yacht Club in June and loved it. Loved it. I love the location, I loved the theming, the pool--pretty much everything that everyone loves about the Beach or Yacht Club. We see ourselves vacationing with our family every other year (during the summer as our kids are school aged and it's difficult for them to take off during non-holiday times), and my husband and I would like to take a short 2-3 night stay during the off-years and do F&W. Because I know BCV is hard to get during F&W at 7 months and since it's a little more challenging to get during the summer-only months (and we'd be primarily looking to go during the 2 weeks of mid-to-late August when the rates go down), it would be frustrating for me to get a non-BCV resort, right? I don't want to spend all of this money--whether it's $11k or $22k--and find the process to be a let down if we aren't able to get the resort we want since our vacation times for the immediate dozen years are more or less restricted by our kids' school schedules.

If you will be disappointed if you can't stay at BCV, then you're better off waiting to buy at BCV. The $$$ you'll spend buying 200 points anywhere will be a significant chunk of change to be disappointed in the end. But that's just my opinion.

Summers might be easier than F&W to get into BCV, so perhaps you could buy a small BCV contract for F&W weekends and a larger SSR contract for your family trips?
 
I still say shop next year. As long as you can pay cash for at least half and can get good loan terms for the other half with the intention of paying off the balance if your loan inside of 12 months, you will still save a lot over buying direct.

For my purchase my max cash price was 10K. DH & I have ridiculously good credit. We started getting 0% credit offers from our credit cards, as we typically do not carry CC balances or if we do it is for only 3-4 months. When the 0% for 12 months offers came we re-discussed our purchase options. Every spring we get an influx of cash from both incentive bonus payouts at DH's job and tax refunds.

We decided to take 6K at 0% for 12 months with the intention to pay it off ASAP-- knowing that come spring with our usual cash influx, paying off whatever balance was left would not be a problem. This increased our "budget" for buying to 15K. As I mentioned before I came in under budget. We are closing on 200 BCV points bought at $65 pp plus closing costs.

Buying resale also insures that should all my plans somehow totally get hosed and 6 months from now instead of planning our first DVC vacation I need to turn around and sell my points it will be at a minimal loss, instead of losing upwards if 60% of what I paid for them.
 
Buying resale also insures that should all my plans somehow totally get hosed and 6 months from now instead of planning our first DVC vacation I need to turn around and sell my points it will be at a minimal loss, instead of losing upwards if 60% of what I paid for them.

Another excellent point!!
Just like a new car depreciation. No way can you turn around 6 months later (or even 6 days later) and get anywhere near what you paid for/owe on a new car if you need to sell/trade it. Another great reason to at least look into resale.
 
DannysMom said:
Buying resale also insures that should all my plans somehow totally get hosed and 6 months from now instead of planning our first DVC vacation I need to turn around and sell my points it will be at a minimal loss, instead of losing upwards if 60% of what I paid for them.

This is a great point that often gets overlooked. Buying resale makes your exit strategy a lot cleaner. An "oops I made a mistake" resale purchase is a minor annoyance whereas an "oops" direct purchase can be financially significant. Don't believe me? Look at the Fidelity listings for BLT where the owners need to get $120 a point because they have loans.
 
Do not buy DVC for the perks. Buy DVC to stay in a DVC resort. You are only guaranteed DVC stays anyway. Perks come and go all the time. When we bought into DVC, RCI was the trading company. Shortly thereafter, II became the trading company. Now, RCI is once again the trading company. So don't set your hopes on a specific RCI resort to trade into. It might not be available anyway. Plus trading is an expensive use of your points. You get the best use of your points by staying within DVC resorts.
I was thinking the RCI to II change happened before 1997, maybe 95.

Some companies do make distinctions between resale and retail even from the developer but for trust or UDI type points, like DVC is, it means nothing. Every point they get back can be sold again just like it's a new point out of the box. As for losing the options that you currently lose with resale, IMO, they are doing you a favor by forcing you to think about how many points you'll need with DVC and nothing else.

Thanks for the continued discussion and feedback. :)

Could I possibly ask two other questions?

Does the Disney Visa offer a reduction on the closing costs? We don't have one and I really would prefer not to get one.

What would you do in this scenario? We're looking to buy about 200-225 points.

We will have about $6-$8k to throw towards this in the spring, with the same amount going towards it the following year (and the year after that). We don't need to vacation at Disney next year as our intention is to take our family every other year and we did Disney last month. We would like to use our DVC in 2014 for sure. Ideally, we are looking then at Hawaii OR splitting our time between Disney/Vero Beach.

(a) Would you purchase what you want (e.g., 225 points at BCV) through Disney putting a significant down payment down with the intention to pay it all off in 2-3 years?

(b) Or would you purchase a third of the points you really want in cash next year (e.g., 75 BCV points)/a third of the same points the following year/and a third of the final points the third year? And cross your fingers you get your use years to line up?

(c) Or would you buy as much as you could with the cheapest contract available next year with the intention to only buy ONE more contract the following year paying no attention to park resort/use year?

This is pretty much what I'm trying to decide on at this point. Thoughts are greatly appreciated. :)
I'd buy what I can afford and what I needed to use points for expected stays at DVC only. To me that means being debt free except for a house, having an appropriate emergency fund and paying cash. Depending on assumptions (5 days low season in a studio vs 7 days high season 2 BR), I might buy a 10% or so cushion for the lower situation and no cushion or even a small deficit for the higher situation. If I couldn't meet the parameters, I'd wait and save even if that meant skipping a vacation or 2 to be able to do so. Of course renting in the interim could be a good choice for many. As for home resort, it doesn't sound like you have enough info to make a good choice. You could buy less, say 150 or so at SSR (or wherever including BCV) and see how it works out then later do an add on at your preferred options once you have enough info to further decide. Better to spend say $8-9 K on a resort that ends in 2054 than $14-15K on a resort that ends in 2042 if you aren't sure. IF you're set on that area, BWV is likely a better value. It still ends 2042 but has both cheaper buy in resale AND the standard value option that might get you in at less points.
 
I have definitely thought about the last point regarding buying "used"/selling "used" and (hopefully) not having lost much, if anything...

I sincerely appreciate all of the feedback with my questions--thank you all!
 
Oh, one other question that came to mind now that I understand this process a bit better: If we would buy BCV through Disney, those resale rules that went into effect in 2011 (not being able to use the points towards the Disney Collection, Disney Concierge, etc.) would not apply to us since we were buying through Disney? Those 2011 restrictions aren't weighing heavily on our decision either way, but, hey, if I'm paying top dollar for a "resale," I want all the normal perks that DVC members get.

Is the Disney COllection the hotels in Paris, Tokyo, etc? We are interested in doing all the disney parks in the future and would really like to stay at those properties. It would make me want to buy direct rather than resale.
 
Is the Disney COllection the hotels in Paris, Tokyo, etc? We are interested in doing all the disney parks in the future and would really like to stay at those properties. It would make me want to buy direct rather than resale.

Yes, it does. Disney Collection is WDW resort, DL resorts, Disneyland Paris resorts, Tokyo Disney Resort, Hong Kong Disneyland Resort and DCL.

Anywhere from 22 to 100 points per night for a hotel room at DL Paris. Tokyo= 37-83 points per night for a hotel room. Hong Kong = 37-54 points per night for a hotel room. These are not suites or villas. Just hotel rooms. This was 2012 numbers. It changes every year based on what they can negotiate. And usually you cannot book them but a few months (the book says six, but members have gotten other information) or weeks out.

These hotel rooms may only sleep three or four. Tokyo Disney hotel has two twin beds and a trundle bed according to 2012 points book.
 















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