Harnesses for Kids

I know this is a family board so we all need to be careful with our insults, but "Nilly Nose", ow, that's harsh.

If you call me poo poo head I'm telling on you.
 
I think most of those pictures prove why a harness is helpful. For the kids that are running away, pulling on it, what would've happened if they didn't have the harness? It was VERY hard teaching twins to walk next to us, without running or wandering. Try reasoning with an 18 month old. Children never learn if they are forced to ride in a stroller all of the time (and I don't understand why people think leashes are more confining than strollers):confused3
True. ::yes:: That toddler on what looks like a parade route could have been trampled. While the crawling on the ground grosses me out, and I would have had him in my lap, whether the parent in the picture didn't make that effort, or if the child squirmed away, the harness seems to be serving it's purpose.
 

I think most of those pictures prove why a harness is helpful. For the kids that are running away, pulling on it, what would've happened if they didn't have the harness? It was VERY hard teaching twins to walk next to us, without running or wandering. Try reasoning with an 18 month old. Children never learn if they are forced to ride in a stroller all of the time (and I don't understand why people think leashes are more confining than strollers):confused3

I am NOT taking sides in this argument at all. What you choose to do with your kids on this is your business, but I can comment on what child learns being confined to a stroller, because my DD5 learned a lot.

1. If you touch things in the store, try to pick up stuuf on the ground, or play in the puddles you will not be allowed to walk for yorself and must ride in the stroller.

2. If you make any attempt to run form me you go in the stroller for the duration of this trip. You may try again next time. ( only had to enforce this once or twice before she got it, and she never got away from me, just pulled on my hand a lot)

3. If you fight the stroller we go home.
She had all of these down by about 18-24 months and the stroller became a place for tired little feet to rest. I used it as a training tool, and a way to keep her from getting herself into trouble. My personal choice. A properly used harness could teach the same things, but we chose to use the stroller instead. She loved riding in it most of the time, but enjoyed the freedom to get out when she wanted, as long as she followed the rules. I only have the 1 so that makes a difference as well. I could focus totally on her and what she was doing, so the stroller was a good training tool. If she had been a multiple it probably would have been a lot harder to do.
 
Mrs. Toad, you truly are the grande dame of "out of context" posting. :worship:

eta: some days I wish I was pms'y and not on a deadline so I could pick apart all the inconsistencies and incongruities and continue the silly battle, but shucks, today, I'm happy and busy so :confused3 :laughing:.

Wow, from the time intensive posts you've been putting out like crazy it looks like your schedule must have cleared up :thumbsup2

It is unfortunate it didn't clear in time for you to refute all the valid points made by the poster you disagreed with :guilty: But at least it's free now and you're able to "continue the silly battle" :rotfl:

Kelma
Mom to 2 princes and 2 princesses and great hater of hypocrisy ;)
 
the child was 4 years old and got away from her parents and ran into the street. I never said all the time.

So where would you draw the line? 5 years old? 8? If a leash prevents kids from getting hurt, when do you let them off leash and teach them that bad things could happen if they don't behave? I am honestly curious about this, and I don't think leashes happen to be a bad thing all of the time. I just don't think kids should have to wear them all the time. And part of that off leash is bound to be when there are roads around. When do you teach them to mind and not rely on the leash to do it for you?
 
So where would you draw the line? 5 years old? 8? If a leash prevents kids from getting hurt, when do you let them off leash and teach them that bad things could happen if they don't behave? I am honestly curious about this, and I don't think leashes happen to be a bad thing all of the time. I just don't think kids should have to wear them all the time. And part of that off leash is bound to be when there are roads around. When do you teach them to mind and not rely on the leash to do it for you?

I say there is no magic number because physically some kids appear to be one age but developmentally another. The eyes can be misleading therefor I would let the parents decide what stage of development the child is ready rather than pinning a number to make it more acceptance to the public view.
 
Wow, from the time intensive posts you've been putting out like crazy it looks like your schedule must have cleared up :thumbsup2

It is unfortunate it didn't clear in time for you to refute all the valid points made by the poster you disagreed with :guilty: But at least it's free now and you're able to "continue the silly battle" :rotfl:

Kelma
Mom to 2 princes and 2 princesses and great hater of hypocrisy ;)

Yep, DD 9 is home sick with a stomach virus today, so she's sitting on the couch next to me (farting up a storm), watching Harry Potter and just getting through the day. We're on Harry Potter 4 now. I can't focus on editing or proofing when she's sick, so I'm taking a day off and just chilling with her. I'll finish working tonight after DH gets home.

I definitely don't have any intention of continuing Mrs. Toad's argument, (she's been blessedly on my ignore list since yesterday) but I think the general argument of leashes is still valid, and I'm mightily entertained by this thread when I'm not cleaning up after DD.

Important off topic tip: Give kids with stomach viruses VANILLA pudding, not chocolate....

Be careful, Bayou. There's all in good fun and then there's points.
 
So where would you draw the line? 5 years old? 8? If a leash prevents kids from getting hurt, when do you let them off leash and teach them that bad things could happen if they don't behave? I am honestly curious about this, and I don't think leashes happen to be a bad thing all of the time. I just don't think kids should have to wear them all the time. And part of that off leash is bound to be when there are roads around. When do you teach them to mind and not rely on the leash to do it for you?

As I've stated before MM, I don't think harnesses are teaching tools, to me they are safety measures. As to how old? whose to say. my oldest daughter is 9 and she knows the street rules. my youngest is 6 and although for the most part, she knows, she needs to be reminded or directed when occupied by something else, such as talking to mommy and daddy. So maybe 6 ish- 7ish might be the cutoff, I don't know I really think it's dependant on the child.
 
WOW...this thread has gotten a little out of control. I just wanted a little input on my kid's monkey harness...:rotfl2:
 
Yep, DD 9 is home sick with a stomach virus today, so she's sitting on the couch next to me (farting up a storm), watching Harry Potter and just getting through the day. We're on Harry Potter 4 now. I can't focus on editing or proofing when she's sick, so I'm taking a day off and just chilling with her. I'll finish working tonight after DH gets home.

I definitely don't have any intention of continuing Mrs. Toad's argument, (she's been blessedly on my ignore list since yesterday) but I think the general argument of leashes is still valid, and I'm mightily entertained by this thread when I'm not cleaning up after DD.

Important off topic tip: Give kids with stomach viruses VANILLA pudding, not chocolate....

Be careful, Bayou. There's all in good fun and then there's points.

oh come on kickapoo, you know as well as I neither one of us is taking this topic seriously, if we were we'd both be ignoring each other.
 
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Bet the parents wish they had a leash... :rolleyes1

Well, at least the poor little flattened kid can hold his/her head high in Heaven, knowing they never had to suffer the "humiliation" of wearing a harness. :rolleyes1

I don't see the same thing in most of those "anti-harness" pics as the harness-haters. What they see as "ignoring" looks to me like a parent with their eyeballs NOT GLUED TO THE CHILD. Parents walking and looking forward instead of staring at their child. (or perhaps to the side if they want to make sure a car isn't headed their way) Gee, isn't that what I tell DD? "Look where you're going!" It would seem to me that if you affixed your eyes to your child at all times instead of looking where you're going, you'd need a lot of bandaids. Show me a parent who walks around staring at their kid nonstop (instead of where they're going or what they're paying for, etc.) and I'll show you one weird parent.

And the kids on the floor? That's a battle of wills. I don't know who will win. I know who won in my house. The kids pulling on the harness? Duh...They were runners. The very ones the harnesses are meant for. The kid on the street during what might be a parade? (I see confetti.) Every parade I've been to has had TONS of unrestrained kids darting out into the road. A harness was nowhere to be seen. That pic could have just as easily been taken with another kid sans harness. It proves nothing.

Personally, when I see someone walking around with a kid on their shoulders, my first thought is, "Wow, if the adult trips or falls down, that kid is going to take one heck of a fall. If they hit their head on the concrete, they're toast." But I don't assume they are lazy, uncaring parents who don't bother to teach their child to stay with them, instead putting them on their necks like a lanyard as a means of transportation. And I don't see how sticking a kid in a stroller for hours on end "teaches" them that much either. It lets them rest, the family can get around faster, and often it's easier for the parents. However, I'm sure the folks that do so have their reasons. Some of them are lazy parents. Most aren't. Walking around with your little arm extended upward for hours? Again, not a heap of fun.

If the worst thing a parent does is use a harness, then their kid has it pretty good. While I never used one, a friend with a runner did. Her child would ask for it....She actually liked it. One day, someone mouthed off about treating her kid like a dog. They got an earful back for their trouble and sheepishly slunk away. Good for her.
 


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