Halloween and Satan......

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Okay, so I very kindly agreed to take care of my neighbor's little boy today. While he and my son are playing, the idea of dressing up came up. DS says he is going to be Batman for Halloween. What is friend going to be? Friend is totally disgusted by DS and says, "Halloween is very bad. You should not do that it is very bad." DS says, "No, it's not bad you just go around to houses and say trick or treat and they give you candy." Friend says, "No Halloween is bad. My mommy says so. Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus and Halloween celebrates the birth of Satan and we don't want to do that." DS repeats, "it's not for Satan's birth, it is to wear a costume and get candy." (They are 3 and just turned 5 btw.) I stepped in at this point and told friend that in our family we were not thinking about Satan, we were just having fun. He was adamant that no, we could not do that it was very bad, his mommy said so. I said that different families have different rules and that it was very important for him to follow his mommy's rules, but the DSs mommy(me) says that it is okay and for us it is not about Satan.

So, obviously, I don't want DS thinking we are doing anything Satan related. I have never heard of Halloween being "satan's birthday" though obviously it has some roots that are different than what we are doing now. So, do you think I handled this well with the neighbor and should I call his mom and tell her of this conversation just so she is aware?

And I have to say, what a bummer.....it's such a fun kid thing to do and is the vast majority of time done in total innocence.
 
It is innocent. The Congregational church in our town has the best Halloween party around!
 
Christmas celebrate's Jesus's birth, but it's really a Pagen (sp?) holiday and was incorporated into the Christian calander to try and get more Pagens to convert to Christianity. We learned that in History today, I'm not sure what it really has to do with halloween, but I thought it was interesting!
 
I am not hijacking your thread! I just expect someone to make an appearance and while he does I just wanted to say "Hey Fella" ;)
 
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Those are usually the folks who will have their own church celebration on the 31st.

Makes as much sense as saying heck instead of hell. The meaning is the same, but somehow people get it in their head that it's different. The word has the same meaning, and so does the celebration.

It's a party on the 31st. It's nothing more for the vast majority of folks taking part.
 
I had a neighbor who was like that. Very religious - she didn't do halloween and wouldn't let her kids do halloween because it celebrated the devil. The kids didn't get christmas presents from santa either because the mom pretty much said there is no santa. They also don't get to do easter egg hunts because it's not real.

I feel kinda sorry for those kids because they were 3 and 6 at the time and I'm sure they wonder why our kids get to dress up on halloween, get to go trick or treating, get tons of presents from santa, etc etc. Usually the day after halloween, we would give them the kids' extra loot (funny enough, the mom didn't have a problem with that)

Currently I have a co-worker who doesn't do halloween either for that same reason. She also thinks Harry Potter promotes witchcraft, devilry, satanism.
 
Poor kid. Our catholic church is even having an adult Halloween party. The priest lives in our neighborhood and gives out some of the best candy!
 
A good friend of mine has a 9 yr. old ds. One of his friends isn't allowed to celebrate Halloween because "that's when people worship the devil". Well, my friend's son asked her about it, she said "Well, do we worship the devil on Halloween?" He said no, and that was it. Keep in mind though, that the same kid who can't trick or treat is allowed to play the "Grand Theft Auto" video game....I just don't get some people's priorities.
 
L107ANGEL said:
I am not hijacking your thread! I just expect someone to make an appearance and while he does I just wanted to say "Hey Fella" ;)

Oh boy..
You put your Satan in
You take your Satan out
You put your Satan in
and you shake him all about. :rotfl2:
To the OP, are you close to the friend's mother? If so, I would have a conversation with her just to let her know that you are not contradicting her, but that your family believes differently. If you don't know her, I wouldn't bother. :confused3
 
I think you handled it fine. Remember, they are just little children, who want to please their parents, and your neighbor's child is just doing/saying what his mom wants him to do.
 
I had a similar thing a couple weeks ago with my son's friend. He and my son are 10. My son likes Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Not as much as he used to, but he still plays with them and collects them some.............he gives his extras to my 3 year old son. My 3 year old was saying to DS's friend, "What do you have? I have so-and-so, do you like this?" DS's friend said, "I don't do that devil worship." Huh? So my 3 year old has no idea what that means, and just continues asking which ones he has. He yells at the three year old, "I said I don't do that devil worship! That's worshipping the devil!" My 10 year old is very quiet this whole time. I just said, "It isn't devil worship if you're just playing a game. They just play a game with theirs." He then took an index card and wrote on it , "Jesus Lives"..........and started carrying that around. I didn't comment on that at all, and neither did the boys. Funnily enough, the 3 year old went and put up the cards.........I'm sure he still had no idea what the friend was talking about, but he did know he didn't like it. Later, I explained more in detail to my ds about different beliefs, and how, if that's what his friend believed, it would be best to not play with the cards when he's here, but that in no way are we worshipping Satan by buying and playing with them.

Oh, but I forgot to say, apparently he DOES trick or treat on Halloween. Not only that, but ds has informed me that HE gets to go BY HIMSELF (something my ds is asking for this year and I have told him he is not old enough to go door to door in the dark alone).
 
I heard the same thing while I was in a store the other day. The 10 year old little boy was telling the little girl about 7 years old that Halloween was satan's bday. I just wonder about some people and educating their kids. I think people can believe whatever they want, but I wish they would at least get it right.
 
I say to each his own. I am a devout (sp?) Roman Catholic and love Halloween. If in fact there were some deep seeded roots regarding Satan and Halloween I personally disregard them.

Halloween is a time of having fun and dressing up, nothing more. I tell my kids that how WE celebrate Halloween is to dress up, go trick-or-treating, do crafts and all kinds of stuff.

In no way, shape or form do we relate :wave2: Halloween to a "Devil's Holiday" and to those who do, I would suggest telling them that it is your belief alone, just my 2 cents worth.
 
Actually, Halloween is "All Hallows Eve", like Dec. 24 is Christmas Eve. November 1 is All Saint's Day. While there may be some customs that were pagan in origin, the holiday is really a Christian one, being that All Saint's Day is a Christian holiday, a Holy Day of Obligation. In fact, most Catholic churches have a Mass on October 31 evening, which is to celebrate All Saint's Day. November 2 is All Soul's Day, when we celebrate a Mass for all the deceased.
 
I also heard that the Dressing up started so one would not be reconised for doing things TRICKS be fore All Saints Day thus the All Hallows eve.
 
That's terrible! I remember as a child having to go to Mass for All Saints Day (At least I think that's what it was) and the priest at my parents church never did a sermon for that mass so the parish families could get home for trick or treating stuff.
 
I just want to say that as long as you all can keep doing Halloween, do it. I live in an area with a lot of those people who consider anything to do with Halloween evil. The kids don't even trick or treat around here any more. It's very sad.

I'm with your son. I always thought Halloween was about dressing up and getting candy.

A kid at school actually told my son that something was wrong with our family because I decorated the house and yard for Halloween (it was actually mostly scarecrows, pumpkins, and bales of hay). He said it offended his family. :confused3 The mother also told the kid that we were "bad people" because of my mickey antenna topper! :rotfl2: He proceeded to tell my son about all the bad and dirty things Disney sneaks into their movies. You just have to wonder about people like that.
 
From Crosswalk.com:

Historical Origins of Halloween

There, some 2000 years ago, began a new age in history when men, women and children who embraced a relationship with Jesus Christ would be called upon to lay down their lives for the sake of their Savior. At first these Jesus followers were shunned socially. Then they were persecuted politically. Eventually, they were openly hunted down simply because of their association with the Son of God. During the first 300 years after Christ's death and resurrection, the Roman government set about on a campaign of extermination. Defenseless Christians became the target of the state's cruelest and most persistent crusade. Christianity was an affront to the deities of Rome and Christians were the easy target of blame whenever an unfavorable situation arose. If there were a drought, the Christians had offended the rain god. If fire, earthquake, or flood, the gods were angry at the Christians' unwillingness to sacrifice to them. Even military misfortunes were these stubborn people's doing.

Beginning with Nero, wave after wave of persecution swept over the budding church. Eventually no excuse was needed. Christians subverted the state religion -- paganism -- and became a thorn in Rome's side. The empire's answer was torture. The believers' response was faith.

Amazing stories of devotion to Christ emerged during those dark days. A young mother, Perpetua, refused to deny the name of Jesus. Ignoring the pleas of her unbelieving father and frantic appeals to think of her young baby, she chose death and the promise of eternal life.

A group of 40 Roman soldiers stood together in their refusal to offer sacrifices to the Roman gods. The furious Roman governor condemned them to be stripped and placed in the center of a frozen lake, surrounded by soldiers and tubs of hot water. Taunted to deny Christ and climb into the warm tubs, only one of the forty weakened. When one of the guards saw this, he was grieved for that man's denial and he was converted on the spot. "I am a Christian," he shouted, stripping off his uniform and taking the man's place on the frozen lake to die with his new brothers.

Many hearts came to faith, not in spite of these stories, but because of them. Rome's plan was backfiring and the church, even under unspeakable horror, was growing. At last, by A.D. 311, there was no denying the supremacy of Christianity. That year, an edict of toleration was issued, calling not only for an end to persecution, but also for the protection of Christians to meet together in worship. Its security was truly sealed, however, with the public conversion of Rome's emperor, Constantine, in the year A.D. 313. Within a short time, Constantine would declare Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, and thus the known world. God, indeed, had a plan.

As the church stepped into a new position of worldly honor that she had never before known, these martyrs were officially recognized. There were not enough days on the calendar to set aside for each name, so eventually one day was set aside for remembrance of all. In A.D. 610, the church dedicated May 13 as All Saints Day. The "holy day" was added to other Christian festivals already being celebrated, namely Christmas, Easter, and Pentecost. Also known as All Hallows, May 13 was the date the festival was celebrated for over 100 years.

Then in A.D. 741, All Hallows, or All Saints Day, found a new home on the calendar. At that time there were concerns about the growing popularity of a pagan festival held on November 1, known as Samhain (sow-en). With origins dating back to the days of the Celts and Druids, this pagan festival was beginning to have an influence even within the Christian community. To counteract this influence, the church turned to a previously successful strategy of claiming the controversial date as their own. This strategy had worked well in the case of Christmas. The celebration of Jesus' birth was assigned December 25 on the calendar not because it was proved as the actual date He was born, but because pagans were celebrating the Winter Solstice at that time. The goal was to redeem the Winter Solstice season.

To that end, Samhain was challenged by moving the church's celebration of All Saints Day to November 1. Borrowing from the Jewish tradition of preparing for significant festivals, the Christian church reserved the day before the religious festival as a sacred time also. October 31, was then, set aside as the evening of preparation called "All Hallow 'een," or "the eve of the holy ones." Together, they created a meaningful time for the church to remember the early martyrs.

Obeying Hebrews 13:7, the church fathers believed in the value of honoring faithful men and women: "Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith." No matter what denomination you belong to, we are all part of the universal church that suffered in the name of Christ. There was, and still is, much to imitate in the lives of not only those who died a martyr's death, but also those who lived out lives full of faith.

That is what the night of Halloween was originally established to contemplate and celebrate.
 


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