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[Tonka's Skipper]

I'll give you another reason NO guns in theme parks or other family venues.

Your carrying and some people gets into a argument with someone else, or get mad drunk, noticed your carrying (don't say it can't happen because it can, maybe not someone here who may be good at hiding a weapon, but all the other people carrying a weapon not so well hidden). comes up, knock you down or out takes the weapon and starts shooting people.

IMHO.....you introduced the weapon and did not keep it safe.......you are just a responsible and the person who took your gun and killed other people.


Both deserve the needle!


AKK

 

[amylevan]

Sorry, but there is absolutely NO reason to bring a gun into any theme park of family venue.

I assume you think a mall is a family venue? Or a movie theatre? I guarantee you people are carrying.

All the reasons against it have been discussed here over and over and not 1 reason to do it has been proved out..........the only one that was talked about was if a nut case started firing.....in which case I would not want some Cowboy guy with limited training, hell I don't care...........whatever training, firing back into a crowd killing kids and adults.

If some person did do that and killed a guest, I am glad its Florida they can give the nut case and the person shooting back the needle together.

This is why Disney has a bunch of camera and armed security all over the place........just seconds away. Their security is highly trained and know how to ID a perceived threat and a real threat.

NO one with any gun sense or common sense would even consider.

If you need to carry........go somewhere in the woods and you can shoot it out with others of the same opinion.


Its just ...I know the person who said yes is just throwing that out to get a reaction so this is as far as I go.


AKK

And being that this is America, if a person has a permit to carry, is not breaking any laws or policies, it doesn't really matter what you think.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Another..................your carrying and somehow the gun get loose of you in a ride.......like on a train ride seat(opps that did happen).

A kid or other person takes it and the kid points and pulls the trigger and kills someone. Another possibility.....some else finds and gun and outside of WDW or wherever another person is killed.


You lost control of your weapon...you are responsible as well.


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Some one carrying with a short temper enters the park and someone cuts in front it line and they argue or are any number of reasons he goes off shooting


AKK.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The points being there is NO reason to introduce a weapon in a theme park or family venue , its not necessary or needed.
It can result in someone in one's getting hurt or killed when if the weapon wasn't there it would not have happened.


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I assume you think a mall is a family venue? Or a movie theatre? I guarantee you people are carrying.

actually NO, more like sport events. The point is there is no need for anyone to carry. Assuming can get you in trouble, most people know the rest of that story about assuming

And being that this is America, if a person has a permit to carry, is not breaking any laws or policies, it doesn't really matter what you think.

That goes both ways, but I respect your right to have a divert opinion. However my opinion is based on facts and common sense. You may also have noticed you are very much in the minority

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

continuing..

Your sitting with a weapon in a holster, strapped, but somehow you didn't fully set the safety...................yes not likely but it could happen and the child siting behind you sees the gun and manages to fire the weapon, hitting another child.........

Again you introduce the weapon...your responsible..............maybe not to the needle. but if it was my child you better go hide somewhere far away.


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

A nut case starts shooting the you fire back, Disney security arrived fast and sees 2 people shooting back and forth................maybe you get the bullet!


You introduced a weapon into the park and sorry..but it got you killed this time!


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

All these thing COULD happen, maybe not likely, but that is not the point.

The bottom line is that there is NO reason to bring a weapon into a theme park or family venue.......it can easily end up causing great HARM WHERE IT WAS NOT NEEDED IN THE FIRST PLACE.


AKK

 

[NYDisneyKid]

ok Disney has a "rule or policy" about no guns on their property. Do they have a "rule or policy" about not lying about a guests kids age to get them in the park for free? If they do then Im sure the numbers arent low.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

That goes both ways, but I respect your right to have a divert opinion. However my opinion is based on facts and common sense. You may also have noticed you are very much in the minority

No, your opinion is based entirely on your own speculation. The history concealed carry shows more good than harm. Does that mean I think I need a gun at Disney? No. I do not believe I do. What it does mean is that those who do carry have a good track record, and that is fact.

 

[diamondpixienc]

Just a matter of time before there are metal detectors. I am surprised with crazy people out there that this hasn't happened more.

Exactly, our local Cedar Farms owned park has the walk through one and everybody including kids in strollers have to go through metal detectors and if you set it off you are pulled to the side and checked with the hand held wand and asked to empty your bags.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Exactly, our local Cedar Farms owned park has the walk through one and everybody including kids in strollers have to go through metal detectors and if you set it off you are pulled to the side and checked with the hand held wand and asked to empty your bags.

Strollers have metal in them so I bet alot set it off and alot get searched.

 

[TurkA77]

Sorry, but there is absolutely NO reason to bring a gun into any theme park of family venue.

All the reasons against it have been discussed here over and over and not 1 reason to do it has been proved out..........the only one that was talked about was if a nut case started firing.....in which case I would not want some Cowboy guy with limited training, hell I don't care...........whatever training, firing back into a crowd killing kids and adults.

If some person did do that and killed a guest, I am glad its Florida they can give the nut case and the person shooting back the needle together.

This is why Disney has a bunch of camera and armed security all over the place........just seconds away. Their security is highly trained and know how to ID a perceived threat and a real threat.

NO one with any gun sense or common sense would even consider.

If you need to carry........go somewhere in the woods and you can shoot it out with others of the same opinion.

Its just ...I know the person who said yes is just throwing that out to get a reaction so this is as far as I go.

AKK

I wish I could walk around through life this naive, but unfortunately I can't.

 

[AmyB2006]

I wish I could walk around through life this naive, but unfortunately I can't.

 

[ChloroFiend]

Those examples that Tonka's Skipper introduced border on the ludicrous. I'd like to see some documented examples of those happening ANYWHERE before. Lots of stuff could happen...but tossing out straw-man arguments doesn't prove your point.

Heck, someone could grab one of the display bottles of beer from Dawa bar in AK, break it, and stab someone in the throat. You can weaponize almost anything.

Those with the motivation to obtain a permit tend to be even tempered...I can't recall a single example of a CCW blasting away proactively or when angered. Heck, I'm more likely to avoid situations that could escalate when carrying than attempt to insert (much less cause) myself into them.

Buried amongst the ridiculousness is one good theme; its a responsibility of a CCW/CHL-holder to maintain control of their weapon. I argued in my previous post that the dude who lost his pistol is a moron. For those that would argue that cops are better trained than civilians, there have also been situations where police officers have left their duty weapon sitting in a bathroom stall after...taking care of business. Not many, mind you....but then again there haven't been many CHL holders leaving their firearms behind either. I don't have a single holster, concealed or not, that doesn't have some retention to it and a secure connection to my person. I've done handstands wearing my guns and none have ever fallen out.

But, let's throw out one more insane example shall we? Rides COULD malfunction and kill the riders. Maybe not likely, but that's not the point. There is NO reason why we should permit rides in theme parks....they could cause great harm where its not needed. Let's replace them all with more gift shops.

 

[Cafeen]

Those examples that Tonka's Skipper introduced border on the ludicrous. I'd like to see some documented examples of those happening ANYWHERE before. Lots of stuff could happen...but tossing out straw-man arguments doesn't prove your point.

Heck, someone could grab one of the display bottles of beer from Dawa bar in AK, break it, and stab someone in the throat. You can weaponize almost anything.

Those with the motivation to obtain a permit tend to be even tempered...I can't recall a single example of a CCW blasting away proactively or when angered. Heck, I'm more likely to avoid situations that could escalate when carrying than attempt to insert (much less cause) myself into them.

Buried amongst the ridiculousness is one good theme; its a responsibility of a CCW/CHL-holder to maintain control of their weapon. I argued in my previous post that the dude who lost his pistol is a moron. For those that would argue that cops are better trained than civilians, there have also been situations where police officers have left their duty weapon sitting in a bathroom stall after...taking care of business. Not many, mind you....but then again there haven't been many CHL holders leaving their firearms behind either. I don't have a single holster, concealed or not, that doesn't have some retention to it and a secure connection to my person. I've done handstands wearing my guns and none have ever fallen out.

But, let's throw out one more insane example shall we? Rides COULD malfunction and kill the riders. Maybe not likely, but that's not the point. There is NO reason why we should permit rides in theme parks....they could cause great harm where its not needed. Let's replace them all with more gift shops.

But, we can't sell snowglobes in the gift shops either or anything made out of anything but soft foam. Though, someone could be allergic to said soft foam and that could cause an issue. So, empty gift shops?

(All in good fun! And, in other theme/amusement parks, rides HAVE malfunctioned and injured/killed workers and guests... Luckily, at Disney Parks, the only serious injuries and/or deaths were related to either guest stupidity or unforeseen medical conditions)

Now, while I'm typically on the "other" side of the overarching debate, I do understand that an individual may feel a need (real or perceived) to carry. I don't have a problem with that at all, so long as they're responsible. There simply has to be stiff penalties for being negligent. CCW holder "loses" his/her weapon? First offense, lose CCW for a year, repeated, lose CCW forever. LEO does the same? Desk duty for 6-8 weeks, subsequent, unpaid suspensions leading to termination. These aren't minor lapses, but very major and should be treated as such. CCW and LEOs should very much be held to a much higher standard than us peons who do not carry (whether we choose to own a weapon or not).

Shifting back over to the topic at hand though, this guy should lose his CCW for a time. He put others in potential danger due to his negligence and that is unacceptable (the negligence is unacceptable, keep that in mind!) (I also won't go so far as to call him a moron. We all know how wrapped up we get sometimes, just had a lapse in judgement. Doesn't absolve him from potential repercussions though.)

(I use a lot of parenthesis. And only half the time, get the proper punctuation correct.)

 

[ChloroFiend]

Here in TX, his actions could be construed as a Class A Misdemeanor and he'd lose his CHL for multiple years (10, iirc) if convicted.....and I'm certainly OK with that.

 

[ponyboy]

In order to get a drivers license I had to pass both a written test and a road test. I took drivers education. I understand some states have a pre-licensing requirement for people who don't take drivers education.

My car is registered, the VIN number is recorded and I have a license plate. There is no such requirement for guns.

A Google search tells me I can satisfy FL gun requirements with a 2 1/2 hour RUSH course. The 2 1/2 hours is inclusive of classroom and range time.

DON'T EVERY COMPARE owning a gun with driving a car unless you're in favor of imposing similar registration requirements and tests on guns and gun owners as we impose on drivers and car owners.

I don't think anyone is proposing these kinds of restrictions but unless the regulations are comparable your analogy is bogus.

I'm not understanding your analogy especially about the car being registered, VIN numbers and license plates. How does that make someone a safer driver? Also, you don't honestly believe that the classes offered for concealed handguns is the only training or shooting that those people ever do, do you?

Maybe, and only maybe, if the "good guy" is an off duty police officer (or the equivalent)
I pray we don't have a "well meaning good guy" who just met the minimum requirements for a concealed permit. A recipe for making a bad situation worse.

It's obvious that you don't know much about the average concealed permit holder or the average police officer. The fact is, many police officers shoot once a year for qualification and that's about it. A vast majority of them aren't "gun people" and have far less experience shooting than most casual shooters that aren't police officers.

The public has a mental image that all police officers are highly trained marksmen and efficient handlers of firearms when the truth is something totally different. A large portion of law enforcement are below average shooters with minimal training and range time.

I would take the average concealed permit holder vs. the average police officer in a shooting match any day of the week.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I do have to say while that's true of many cops, all the ones I know are "gun guys" and NRA members to boot. All of them are pro CCW, and all the classes here are taught by off duty police. But it is true the annual qualifications are quite lame.