Gun Found at AK - Updated Post#25 Guest Found Loaded Gun

[Brian_WDW74]

I've moved this thread to the Disney Rumors and News board.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Maybe he was looking for Wilson. That man stopped dozens and dozens of poachers every day for years!

 

[BlueStarryHat]

Everyone with guns....thats crazy!

It's A Small World would be decimated!

 

[Polydweller]

Security DID find the gun, the article is brief, but it does state that Disney Security found the gun and turned it over to OCPD.
What is more interesting is the crazy comments for the article about how Disney should let everyone carry their guns in.

Exactly, that's what layered security is about and Disney has it. They aren't trying to TSA security at the front. Something alerted security and one of their layers caught it. That says the security system does work.

 

[com_op_2000]

UPDATE:
A Walt Disney World park guest found a loaded gun in the seat of a ride at the Animal Kingdom Dinosaur ride that had fallen out of a man's back pocket.

A grandmother handed a Cobra .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol to a park attendant,

See the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ey-gun-animal-kingdom-20130529,0,927853.story

 

[FlipHipster]

UPDATE:
A Walt Disney World park guest found a loaded gun in the seat of a ride at the Animal Kingdom Dinosaur ride that had fallen out of a man's back pocket.

A grandmother handed a Cobra .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol to a park attendant,

See the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ey-gun-animal-kingdom-20130529,0,927853.story

As rough as that ride is, he's lucky it didn't go off and shoot him in the head which was obviously very close to where he was carrying the pistol. Its scary all the people that think you need to carry a loaded pistol everywhere you go these days. Buying a pistol and getting a CCW doesn't turn an idiot into a super hero, it makes you an idiot with a gun. A loaded pistol in your back pocket? At WDW ? really? What if a kid would have picked that up thinking it was a toy? I realize Disney doesn't want to upset the gun lobby but that is absurd.

 

[Mama Mouse]

UPDATE:
A Walt Disney World park guest found a loaded gun in the seat of a ride at the Animal Kingdom Dinosaur ride that had fallen out of a man's back pocket.

A grandmother handed a Cobra .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol to a park attendant,

See the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-disney-gun-animal-kingdom-20130529,0,927853.story

Loaded on Dinosaur. Good grief. I don't know a ton about guns but I can't imagine what could have happened if the safety had failed on that bumpy ride. Also, the back pocket is not a safe place to carry, period.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Guns don't generally go off from being bumped around. That was a problem common to early Colt revolvers in the 1800's and cowboys got around that by only loading 5 of 6 chambers. It's not generally an issue today.

Having it drop out and end up left behind is another matter.

 

[bdklein]

That says the security system does work.

ReallY?

I know very little about security (although I did once work for a CCTV security equipment manufacturer), but if someone goes into a WDW theme park with a loaded gun, that says that the security system does not work. The gun was only found since it fell out his pocket on a ride; it wasn't like security spotted it before he entered the park.

 

[disneyworld1977]

Just a matter of time before there are metal detectors. I am surprised with crazy people out there that this hasn't happened more.

 

[Spacedog1975]

I don't think "magical portals" with metal detectors would be the worst idea ever.

 

[jason10mm]

We should clarify a few things. Assuming the information in the article is correct (that the man had a valid Florida CCW permit) then he was perfectly LEGAL in carrying a concealed pistol into the park. This is why he was not arrested on the spot. What he did was violate Disney's policy (not a law). Since he left when told to do so, he was not charged with trepassing. Had he insisted on staying, then he would have broken a law.

Which is not to say he was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. He failed to secure his firearm appropriately using a retention holster and failed to verify that he had possession of it after leaving the ride car. He should be one his knees every night thanking that kid and lady that they were responsible enough to fix his mistake without injury.

Disney does not perform body searches. No one would be able to get into the parks if they did (at least not after waiting in line for hours). What this man did was not criminal, he merely violated the contract he signed with Disney when he used his admission ticket and demonstrated poor personal decisionmaking (again, not a crime in Florida).

The awkward positioning necessary to get into and out of rides, the unnatural motion of some rides, and the usual clothing attire needed for WDW make concealed carry difficult. The security presence within the parks also mitigates the risk of personal attack, but there is still the walk to the car or the hotel, where attacks can and do occur. Deciding to carry places you at risk of being ejected from the parks and you have to be smart about it and weigh the risks against the benefits.

 

[AmberHeartsDisney]

We should clarify a few things. Assuming the information in the article is correct (that the man had a valid Florida CCW permit) then he was perfectly LEGAL in carrying a concealed pistol into the park. This is why he was not arrested on the spot. What he did was violate Disney's policy (not a law). Since he left when told to do so, he was not charged with trepassing. Had he insisted on staying, then he would have broken a law.

Which is not to say he was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. He failed to secure his firearm appropriately using a retention holster and failed to verify that he had possession of it after leaving the ride car. He should be one his knees every night thanking that kid and lady that they were responsible enough to fix his mistake without injury.

Disney does not perform body searches. No one would be able to get into the parks if they did (at least not after waiting in line for hours). What this man did was not criminal, he merely violated the contract he signed with Disney when he used his admission ticket and demonstrated poor personal decisionmaking (again, not a crime in Florida).

The awkward positioning necessary to get into and out of rides, the unnatural motion of some rides, and the usual clothing attire needed for WDW make concealed carry difficult. The security presence within the parks also mitigates the risk of personal attack, but there is still the walk to the car or the hotel, where attacks can and do occur. Deciding to carry places you at risk of being ejected from the parks and you have to be smart about it and weigh the risks against the benefits.

Cavity searches That will be the next rumor! People complain because they have to get their bags checks and then people complain Disney doesn't do enough.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[ChipnDale79]

Which is not to say he was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. He failed to secure his firearm appropriately using a retention holster and failed to verify that he had possession of it after leaving the ride car.

Not trying to turn this into a gun debate, but what you said above should absolutely be a crime. If you fail to secure your gun, then without a doubt it should be criminal.

I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, but if I were getting onto a ride with my children and find a loaded gun, there would be hell to pay.

 

[jason10mm]

Well, the punishment for losing control of a firearm probably varies by state. It also is very dependent on intent, amount of negligence on display, and ultimately the outcome. In this case the man probably had no intention of leaving the gun behind, did display some negligence, especially if it was just tucked in his back pocket without a pocket holster or some other method of retention, and fortunately for all of us, the outcome was minimized by intelligent and rational thought by the next guests. I suppose it is possible that the man might get charged with something once the local DA reviews the case (if that even happens) or if public outcry is brisk enough, but on the surface this was a "near miss" type of incident that doesn't really have a lot of criminal significance. Now if this guy was an off-duty police officer or something then I'm sure there would be more repercussions. It has been a while since I held a Florida CCW and I don't recall all the provisions for revoking it, but that might be the primary form of "punishment" in this case, should the relevent officials become engaged.

While this case made the news, I suspect internally Disney has many, many reports of weapons being found in and around rides and security identifying armed individuals inside the parks. Part of doing business, I suppose, and I'd wager that 99.9% of those incidents are resolved peacefully.

 

[Keurigirl]

If you fail to secure your gun, then without a doubt it should be criminal....if I were getting onto a ride with my children and find a loaded gun, there would be hell to pay.

I agree. Guns are dangerous. They have no place at Disney.

 

[FortForever]

Which is not to say he was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. He failed to secure his firearm appropriately using a retention holster and failed to verify that he had possession of it after leaving the ride car. He should be one his knees every night thanking that kid and lady that they were responsible enough to fix his mistake without injury.

He acted very irresponsibly and I hope at the very least he loses his permit. He clearly doesn't follow safety regulations.

Not trying to turn this into a gun debate, but what you said above should absolutely be a crime. If you fail to secure your gun, then without a doubt it should be criminal.

I don't have a problem with people carrying guns, but if I were getting onto a ride with my children and find a loaded gun, there would be hell to pay.

I agree 100% and this gun was loaded with HOLLOW POINT BULLETS!! What the heck? Was he going to a gang war or Disney?

There is no possible way he got into a park at WDW without knowing weapons are not permitted. He needs to face criminal charges for not letting Disney security know he had the gun and for carrying in such a reckless manner.

I don't know the exact laws that he could be charged under, but you better believe I would find something if I were in the position to.

Just want to point out that I am gun owner myself and have a concealed carry permit. The only time I carry a weapon is when backwoods camping for personal protection. I wouldn't dream of taking a gun to WDW.

And, seriously, hollow points? Even in a personal defense situation I want to do the minimum damage to get out of that situation.

 

[capegirl]

If I have to walk through a metal detector to get into the Empire State Bldg., or the Museum of Natural History in NYC..and many other locations, then I should be walking through a metal detector at Disney as well. A few years back, I would not even be thinking about the potential for violence at a theme park, but all you have to do is watch the nightly news to realize that violent crimes have escalated in our country. Because Disney is such a huge tourist attraction, it has the 'potential' of becoming a target. I don't want to be paranoid about safety, but I do feel that it would be reassuring for Disney to take a second look at improving security in their parks.

 

[jason10mm]

I do agree with you that he was irresponsible. I may have mistyped a double negative or something that made it seem like I didn't think he was in the wrong. What he did was reprehensible in my opinion. But it is also very likely that this guy has been dropping that pistol into his back pocket for DECADES and is barely even conscious of it at this point. Doesn't excuse it, but in all likelihood he was pretty innocent of any ill intent.

As for the hollowpoints, well, that is just a standard self defense load for the .380. It is already a bit of an anemic cartridge and pretty much the minimum most folks would recommend for self defense (though there are certainly many other smaller caliber firearms out there). This was some sort of small pocket gun, probably what would have been called a "Saturday Night Special" not too long ago. There are probably several dozen such weapons being carried inside WDW right now as they are very common. Now if he had been carrying something with an extended 30 round magazine, I would see cause for alarm

BTW, carrying a firearm while camping is a good way to get yourself busted for hunting without a (hunting) permit. Be careful about when and where you camp if you do that.

 

[TheShea's]

If I have to walk through a metal detector to get into the Empire State Bldg., or the Museum of Natural History in NYC..and many other locations, then I should be walking through a metal detector at Disney as well. A few years back, I would not even be thinking about the potential for violence at a theme park, but all you have to do is watch the nightly news to realize that violent crimes have escalated in our country. Because Disney is such a huge tourist attraction, it has the 'potential' of becoming a target. I don't want to be paranoid about safety, but I do feel that it would be reassuring for Disney to take a second look at improving security in their parks.

Acually, violent crime in the US is down, has been a trend for some time now. That includes gun violence.