Gun Found at AK - Updated Post#25 Guest Found Loaded Gun

[NYDisneyKid]

According to the posted article in the Sentinel, he realized he had the weapon while on the tram, but continued into AK instead of returning to his car to leave the gun. As such, he knew and didn't want to be inconvenienced

I thought Disney rules say you cant even have a weapon in your car if its on property. Didnt an employee get fired for doing just that? And he was also banned for life I thought.

 

[ponyboy]

I thought Disney rules say you cant even have a weapon in your car if its on property. Didnt an employee get fired for doing just that? And he was also banned for life I thought.

Rules for employees and the general public are normally different. For example, there are lots of places here that I can go armed but the employees there are prohibited from carrying while they are at work. Texas and Florida laws are different in many aspects but I suspect they are very similar in this regard where employees are bound to certain rules by the nature of their employment and not by the law.

 

[kristenrice]

I just thought I'd throw another tidbit in here, relevant or not...

As I said previously, DH is a police officer and also an avid hunter. As such, we have guns in the house and one is loaded at all times. When our children were very young, we decided that we would have no TOY guns in the house. Here's the reason...our children have been familiarized with the gun(s). They have been taught that ANY gun they see is NOT a toy. We have never treated the guns as a taboo subject and the girls have shot their own rifles (a .22 and a .223) and DD9 has shot a .38 revolver. They are very aware of what real guns do and they have no desire to play with one, not even one that is a toy. They use them for two purposes...deer hunting and target practice.

I work in EMS and I see what damage firearms can do when put in the wrong hands, but I know that the guns are NOT the problem. The criminals pulling the trigger are the problem. Well, actually, I've seen a lot of shootings where the criminal wasn't properly handling his gun and shot himself in a "sensitive" area while trying to get his gun out of his waistband...but that's just karma. I've heard co-workers debate as to whether or not paramedics should be allowed to carry a weapon (gun) while on duty. I am 100% against that because I have enough to worry about when I am on a call. Protecting a sidearm is not something I want to have to worry about while doing CPR on someone. If I cannot effectively maintain possession of a weapon, I won't carry one. The gentleman at the AK was unable to maintain possession of his gun and therefore, his license to carry one should be revoked, or at least suspended pending remediation.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I think while we can all agree that auto accidents are just that (sometimes), the same cannot be said for drunk driving deaths. Clearly, that is criminal intent. And when we start treating it as such, maybe then we can put a dent in this problem - a problem that greatly exceeds gun related homicides.

It also might be time to redefine "homicide victim". Currently, almost 2/3 of gun homicide "victims" in the US are criminals killed DURING the commission of a crime.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I agree with all that but you're original post made it seem like anyone had the right to walk into Disney with a weapon because they don't have their policies posted. That's what I was responding too.

It's my opinion that the right of the property owner trumps that of the invited guest who is there of his or her own free will.

It is interesting that there's no sign, however. And to be honest, I guess I didn't realize there were no metal detectors at the main parks - I did notice them lacking at the water parks.

 

[Rosebud123]

The sole intent of an automobile isn't to hurt/maim/kill. Comparing guns to automobiles is like comparing apples to oranges.

This!!!

 

[DnA2010]

What I find most disturbing about all of that people don't seem to have an issue with others carrying around loaded concealed weapons, but start to get a bit nervous about it when they land on Disney Property? Why isn't anyone outraged that it's okay to just walk around with a loaded gun?

As long as I live, I will never understand the American mentality of gun ownership rights.

And as much as I find the bag checks a pain in the butt and I've even thought they are overkill and ineffective at times, I don't think metal detetors are a completely bad idea. They seem to be common place at many other tourist attractions.

I know...imagine if a child had found that gun...

 

[hburke01]

As a Canadian never really experiencing people casually carrying guns, I cannot believe the guy didn't have the common sense to think "hey, maybe I shouldn't bring my gun to WDW". People think because there is no sign that he shouldn't have used common sense and realized being armed in the largest tourist attraction in the world for families was a bad idea.
This all just blows my mind.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Martial Arts people are allowed in even though their hands and feet are deadly weapons.

 

[ronzo63]

As a Canadian never really experiencing people casually carrying guns, I cannot believe the guy didn't have the common sense to think "hey, maybe I shouldn't bring my gun to WDW". People think because there is no sign that he shouldn't have used common sense and realized being armed in the largest tourist attraction in the world for families was a bad idea.
This all just blows my mind.

I'm from the United States and this is my thoughts exactly

 

[AmyB2006]

That's totally your right to do what you feel is best for your family and nobody else's decisions or opinions should make any difference in that aspect. Other people have different outlooks on life and do things differently. There is no right or wrong, just different.

And thank God I live in a country where we are free to do so.

 

[geauxlsutigers]

No one will ever persuade me that it's reasonable to carry a gun in Disney. The place has it's own police force in every park and is a button push away from stopping an immediate threat. Carrying a gun in a dangerous situation there will only lead to someone with vigilante fantasies to pull it out and cause more harm than good.

I can't speak for everyone with a Concealed Weapons Permit, but here's my plan if I'm ever in a situation where some nut begins to kill people in the restaurant or store or office I'm in.
1. Look for an exit
2. Run towards that exit leaving everyone without a Concealed Weapon Permit to fend for themselves( I recommend hiding under a desk or table and praying)
3. Once I'll well away from the threat,Call 91
4. Talk to the television reporter and not mention the fact that I had a weapon and didn't stop the guy (All the gun haters will hate me for not doing something and call me a coward)

My Permit does not obligate me to become a cop and save other people. And I won't. This topic has come up on Forums for Permit Holders and I can tell you that 95% of Permit Holders feel like I do.
" Pull button away"? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

:Walt, himself, sure wish they did. I'm afraid to say that Disney rules are subordinate to the US Constitution, the US Code, and Florida Statutes. However, it does supersede orange and Oceola County laws, since WDW is its own district.

While WDW property is its own municipality, each theme park is private property, and as such, is not bound by the Constitution. The United States Constitution establishes the rules of governance.

Private property owners can make their own rules, which is why Tiger Woods got in trouble for a dress code violation at a private golf club and why Disney can tell people they can't bring glass bottles, alcohol, or weapons into their private property.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

Private property owners can make their own rules, which is why Tiger Woods got in trouble for a dress code violation at a private golf club and why Disney can tell people they can't bring glass bottles, alcohol, or weapons into their private property.

And how would Disney know if you had alcohol? Doesn't have to be in the original container as the person could put it in a plastic water or soda bottle. I don't think security is going to open those and smell.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

And how would Disney know if you had alcohol? Doesn't have to be in the original container as the person could put it in a plastic water or soda bottle. I don't think security is going to open those and smell.

I don't know, I don't bring a bag. I just know what the parks rules are. And I don't see how this relates to the actual point.

But from what I understand, sometimes they actually do open containers and smell. At least that's what has been reported on these boards.

 

[AmyB2006]

I can't speak for everyone with a Concealed Weapons Permit, but here's my plan if I'm ever in a situation where some nut begins to kill people in the restaurant or store or office I'm in.
1. Look for an exit
2. Run towards that exit leaving everyone without a Concealed Weapon Permit to fend for themselves( I recommend hiding under a desk or table and praying)
3. Once I'll well away from the threat,Call 91
4. Talk to the television reporter and not mention the fact that I had a weapon and didn't stop the guy (All the gun haters will hate me for not doing something and call me a coward)

My Permit does not obligate me to become a cop and save other people. And I won't. This topic has come up on Forums for Permit Holders and I can tell you that 95% of Permit Holders feel like I do.
" Pull button away"? Whatever helps you sleep at night.

This was really funny.

While WDW property is its own municipality, each theme park is private property, and as such, is not bound by the Constitution

What?! I think you're giving them way too much credit.

They can make their own rules. That's about it. If you break a rule, you get thrown out.

No criminal charges can be filed against me for breaking Disney rules. Only if I violate a law.

 

[NYDisneyKid]

So my own house and property is private and I can tell anyone that if they have a weapon they cant trespass on it.

 

[ponyboy]

As a Canadian never really experiencing people casually carrying guns, I cannot believe the guy didn't have the common sense to think "hey, maybe I shouldn't bring my gun to WDW". People think because there is no sign that he shouldn't have used common sense and realized being armed in the largest tourist attraction in the world for families was a bad idea.
This all just blows my mind.

If you came down to Texas you wouldn't really experience people carrying guns either because there's nothing for you to experience. You would never know that the people in line at the grocery store in front of you and behind you are armed.

For a lot of people, especially in the south, carrying a gun IS a common, casual thing. It's like grabbing your keys or your wallet when you head out the door. The more rural the area the more guns people will be carrying but if you're not one of them then you'd be none the wiser.

 

[AmyB2006]

So my own house and property is private and I can tell anyone that if they have a weapon they cant trespass on it.

That pretty much sums it up.

Any business or private property owner can make up whatever rules it wants. However they are not enforceable by the law.

However, if someone is not following your rules and you no longer want them on the property, and they refuse to leave, they can be arrested for trespassing.

I stress "can be" because obviously there a multitude of other variables that could come into play.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

What?! I think you're giving them way too much credit.

They can make their own rules. That's about it. If you break a rule, you get thrown out.

No criminal charges can be filed against me for breaking Disney rules. Only if I violate a law.

I didn't say Disney could press charges. I'm pointing out that Animal Kingdom isn't bound by the 2nd Amendment. Just like in my other example I didn't say anything about the golf club pressing charges against Tiger Woods for wearing cargo shorts.

Although here you said:

However, if someone is not following your rules and you no longer want them on the property, and they refuse to leave, they can be arrested for trespassing.

I stress "can be" because obviously there a multitude of other variables that could come into play.

So, under your logic, they COULD have the person arrested for trespassing (by whatever police force has jurisdiction. I assume they don't have their own) if he didn't comply. But he did comply, so that part's moot.

Unless Florida has some state law saying they can't charge him. Since I don't live in Florida, I don't really care.

My main point was the 2nd Amendment isn't a valid argument for carrying a gun on private property if the property owner has a policy against weapons.