Guest attacks security at Disneyland - makes you think about how safe it is...

[Shir Kahn]

Why did he spray the guy that last time?? Looked like he was just standing there rubbing his eyes. Did I miss something??? I'm going to watch it again.
Nancy

Because he was repeatedly told to stay down on the ground and was ignoring that instruction.

 

[OFF TO WDW!]

I still believe that by 4 minutes some security should have been there. For all we know some security should have been there but some one or some internal group dropped the ball. We will never know eithere way.

My question is never having been to DL is people say alcohol is sold there, and these incidents have happened before. My question is does disney look at the possibility of not selling alcohol after this situation like WDW does not sell it in the MK?

 

[LockShockBarrel]

I think you need to seperate fact vs opinion here.

Fact: The man was doing something wrong, but not entirely sure what
Fact: The guard thought it bad enough to react
Fact: The is something up with the man, but who knows if he was drunk/high/mental issues

Opinion: The use of pepper spray was excessive
Opinion: All the things that "should have" happened

My opinion? If the guys filming it and the screeching harpy would have been removed from the equation the guy probably would have calmed down faster. I also think guards should be in pairs or within eyeline of each other so that this type of thing could have be resolved a bit faster.

 

[kaligal]

Why did he spray the guy that last time?? Looked like he was just standing there rubbing his eyes. Did I miss something??? I'm going to watch it again.
Nancy

Because he wasn't being totally submissive and following the staff's instruction to be on the ground...and because the staff member was scared and had no idea how to handle this.

The guy with the spray was in no danger when the staff sprayed. The staff member may very well have saved himself an attack had he not sprayed. He's lucky other people stepped in to help him.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

It's a bad day in Disneyland that ends with pepper spray, a woman shrieking like a myna bird, and three dudes laying on top of you.




BTW, somebody should lift that woman's voice ("Stop! This is Disneyland! There are kids here!") and make a mix tape or something. I smell an excellent meme in the making.

 

[RMulieri]

He got sprayed again because he was still not listening and the guard had no idea what he was capable of..If you ever see someone High on Bath Salts you couldn't spray them enough( doubting this was the case here) .I have seen grown men get sprayed full on with an entire BOTTLE of pepper spray and still get out of police custody and manage to break the hand of the nurse that was in the ED trying to do her job.

 

[kaligal]

He got sprayed again because he was still not listening and the guard had no idea what he was capable of..If you ever see someone High on Bath Salts you couldn't spray them enough( doubting this was the case here) .I have seen grown men get sprayed full on with an entire BOTTLE of pepper spray and still get out of police custody and manage to break the hand of the nurse that was in the ED trying to do her job.

I have seen people hyped up on bath salts - this guy wasn't. I don't know why you interject that here.



For anyone wondering what bath salts are, let me tell you first what they aren't. They have NOTHING to do with a bath tub. You would not add them to a tub or a bucket of water to soak your feet. They have nothing at all to do with bathing and never did.

The name is confusing the first time you hear it, but "bath salts" is a drug. I'm not even sure what all is in there, but it is so often mixed with other stuff that it hardly matters.

It is legal in some states and not in others. I think pretty much every state is working on making the stuff illegal. But as anyone with sense knows, "legal" is not the same as "moral" or "safe."

It's making its way through college campuses. The stuff kill some kids, turns others into vegetables (for life) and is generally wreaking havoc.

I strongly encourage all the college kids I know to drink and smoke pot instead of taking these. I just can't stress strongly enough to them how dangerous that crap is.

Heroin and coke will ruin your life and kill you in the end, but bath salts will kill you or turn you into a zombie very quickly. And they make dealing with the high person difficult because the people who took it are out of their minds, but do not crash as quickly as crackheads.

 

[Elisa84]

I think the guys that were holding him down at the end were plain clothes security people.

 

[Kona65]

CMs are trained not to interfere, their jobs are not to get into a fight with guests, even to "help." The ToT CMs did their job, they were attempting to move the crowd back. Probably had been told to before the video began. That's why you see the manager that shows up later in the video do the same thing.

To chide the guests for not helping is ridiculous, in general if you see a confrontation you're supposed to stay out of it.

Please reread my post, I did not say the guest should get involved, (thankfully some of them did), I said the CM's should have helped each other. The security guard was having a hard time with the man until help from the guest arrived. That's a big problem with our country today, no one wants to get involved, they just want to take pictures and post them on U-tube.

 

[Yubbie]

That was magical! I guess the pixie dust aerosol didn't work, so they had to hit him with the pepper spray.

 

[TDC Nala]

My question is does disney look at the possibility of not selling alcohol after this situation like WDW does not sell it in the MK?

A lot of people drink alcohol, and they don't attack anybody. This wasn't all down to the alcohol.

Alcohol is not sold in the Disneyland park either, and never has been. California Adventure sells it, as do all the parks at WDW other than MK. Whenever people do crazy stuff like this, which isn't very often, I don't think they sit down at Disney corporate and second guess whether or not they should sell any alcohol.

 

[mesaboy2]

The parks are generally safe, but there's always a few with the potential to snap, and when you throw alcohol into the picture the odds do go up. Guys like this are why I question anyone who advocates confronting other guests over things like line cutting.

I agree with you.

We did the Gran Fiesta Tour in Epcot on Saturday and noticed a group of about 10 folks in line ahead of us who looked like they could be trouble, from the way they were acting. I remember thinking as they boarded that I was glad they were not in our boat.

Sure enough, I saw them in the last big room (with the fiberoptic fireworks) ahead of us and several of them were standing up. While the boats piled up to be offloaded at the end, another of them stood back up while yelling to another party either in the front of the same boat or in the next one--in full view of the CMs in the loading area. The ride stopped as that group was eventually led away, presumably to get a talking to before continuing on their quest to drink around the world. Just guessin' there.

 

[scion5220]

A lot of people drink alcohol, and they don't attack anybody. This wasn't all down to the alcohol.

Alcohol is not sold in the Disneyland park either, and never has been. California Adventure sells it, as do all the parks at WDW other than MK. Whenever people do crazy stuff like this, which isn't very often, I don't think they sit down at Disney corporate and second guess whether or not they should sell any alcohol.

I would be interested to see the venn diagram on this topic.

People who attack others at Disney
People who drink at Disney
People who drink AND attack others at Disney

 

[audrey2580]

I think the guys that were holding him down at the end were plain clothes security people.

I was wondering that too.

 

[MolonLabe]

I think the guys that were holding him down at the end were plain clothes security people.

The big guy in the lakers jersey definitely was not.

1- He is wearing sandals. That alone should be definitive.
2- The gold chain. Working plain clothes you simply wouldn't do that.
3- Big baggy jersey... it's simply not conducive

Plain clothes can take various forms. They will pretty much never look like this guy though.

Also in a Disney park, plain clothes are generally going to be wearing something "decent" i.e. khakis or nice jeans (shorts possibly), they will always have decent footware (be it sneakers or hiking style shoes), decent shirts, from nice Tshirts to polos or similar.

Think a 5.11 catalog type of look.

 

[OFF TO WDW!]

A lot of people drink alcohol, and they don't attack anybody. This wasn't all down to the alcohol.

Alcohol is not sold in the Disneyland park either, and never has been. California Adventure sells it, as do all the parks at WDW other than MK. Whenever people do crazy stuff like this, which isn't very often, I don't think they sit down at Disney corporate and second guess whether or not they should sell any alcohol.

I was actually referring to both security and alcohol, but if you think that disney isn't going to bring up the selling of alcohol in their corporate meetings your in fantasyland. I have never been out there, but from all the comments I have read on the article from different news wires, it seems it happens a little more often than you think. Anything that becomes a nuisance to their squeky clean image will be addressed.

 

[Wadecool]

I have seen people hyped up on bath salts - this guy wasn't. I don't know why you interject that here.



For anyone wondering what bath salts are, let me tell you first what they aren't. They have NOTHING to do with a bath tub. You would not add them to a tub or a bucket of water to soak your feet. They have nothing at all to do with bathing and never did.

The name is confusing the first time you hear it, but "bath salts" is a drug. I'm not even sure what all is in there, but it is so often mixed with other stuff that it hardly matters.

It is legal in some states and not in others. I think pretty much every state is working on making the stuff illegal. But as anyone with sense knows, "legal" is not the same as "moral" or "safe."

It's making its way through college campuses. The stuff kill some kids, turns others into vegetables (for life) and is generally wreaking havoc.

I strongly encourage all the college kids I know to drink and smoke pot instead of taking these. I just can't stress strongly enough to them how dangerous that crap is.

Heroin and coke will ruin your life and kill you in the end, but bath salts will kill you or turn you into a zombie very quickly. And they make dealing with the high person difficult because the people who took it are out of their minds, but do not crash as quickly as crackheads.

One of the people featured on Intervention last night was doing bath salts, and he was acting insane! He did go to treatment and the medical staff diagnosed him with schizophrenia but they couldn't say whether or not it was caused by the bath salts. That stuff makes crack look safe! The guy on last nights Intervention episode ultimately ended going back home and doing bath salts again.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

...but the screaming lady should have to listen to herself over and over again. "Stop, the children", why didn't she just leave the area? What a nut.! .

I came to this thread because I bet it turns out that she's a DIS member.

 

[Momoftwins+1]

That security guard clearly needed more training on subduing people. He put himself in danger needlessly several times in that video. He was lucky.

This! He needs to not be in security at all. That person could have been subdued easily, especially after the first spray when he was down. Security should have been taught the proper restraining holds and they should carry restraints ( plastic ties made for easy carrying work great instead of metal cuffs ) the CMs handled the crowd horribly as well. Bet there are some special training meetings coming up pronto to cover the outcome and how it could have been handled better!

 

[MickeysBFF]

There was a drunk guy fighting with a secruity guard in that video??? I missed it, because all I could hear was that annoying screech "STOP - THERE ARE KIDS HERE! YOU'RE IN DISNEYLAND!"

Finger nails on a chalkboard have nothing on that lady.

EXACTLY!!!! I couldn't hear anything. not only that her voice was just flat out annoying. I'd rather hear the hall of presidents than that lady