Guardians of the Galaxy at Epcot Timeline?!

[TeachrRay]

How long does a new attraction take from inception to opening, in general, based on past activity? When would we see anything at epcot for GoG

 

[rteetz]

Well it's still a rumor right now. Nothing has been officially announced. Rumors say it wouldn't open until probably 2020-21.

 

[Wdwfan2016]

2020 at the earliest. Also note that it's not a done deal for Epcot.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Ok...help me out...

Guardians of the galaxy is not a big, mainstream marvel property...

...so what's with the deparation here? If you're gonna put made up stuff in Epcot...why not just throw more Star Wars in there?

I'm being serious here (for once).

 

[rteetz]

Ok...help me out...

Guardians of the galaxy is not a big, mainstream marvel property...

...so what's with the deparation here? If you're gonna put made up stuff in Epcot...why not just throw more Star Wars in there?

I'm being serious here (for once).

Guardians is a big property for marvel now. The movie was successful. The sequel is coming out.

From what I've heard WDW executives and imagineers said to put guardians in Epcot so they wouldn't have to shut down ToT. Iger and Chapek are the ones that want marvel in the parks to sell merch.

 

[Whatsthegoodword]

Guardians is a big property for marvel now. The movie was successful. The sequel is coming out.

From what I've heard WDW executives and imagineers said to put guardians in Epcot so they wouldn't have to shut down ToT. Iger and Chapek are the ones that want marvel in the parks to sell merch.

Does it really work that way? Does just having an attraction in the park automatically sell merchandise? This is the part of the equation that never makes sense to me. Example: Peter Pan is an awesome ride. Everyone acknowledges that. Is Disney selling lots of Peter Pan merch??

 

[rteetz]

Does it really work that way? Does just having an attraction in the park automatically sell merchandise? This is the part of the equation that never makes sense to me. Example: Peter Pan is an awesome ride. Everyone acknowledges that. Is Disney selling lots of Peter Pan merch??

This is the way today's Disney operates. When Peter Pan was built they didn't build rides to help sell merchandise. Today's executives look to sell merch. That's why everything has to be tied to an IP.

 

[saskdw]

Ok...help me out...

Guardians of the galaxy is not a big, mainstream marvel property...

...so what's with the deparation here? If you're gonna put made up stuff in Epcot...why not just throw more Star Wars in there?

I'm being serious here (for once).

The easy answer is that GotG is significantly bigger than you think.

 

[Guardianw]

This is the way today's Disney operates. When Peter Pan was built they didn't build rides to help sell merchandise. Today's executives look to sell merch. That's why everything has to be tied to an IP.

To be fair, isn't there at least some evidence this is a valid equation? Isn't that why those of us on the west coast got a year and a half of 60th anniversary celebration? In the park = more merch sales.

Also, WDW is not my bag, but I understand that Epcot is all about education, nay?

Do the rumors suggest what kind of education the ride will incorporate? Birth, life, and death of a star? General planet-toidy info? I'd love to know.

 

[Dfan79]

Well it's still a rumor right now. Nothing has been officially announced. Rumors say it wouldn't open until probably 2020-21.

Whoa, Gog will probably have a 3rd movie out by then.

Disney has to stop being so slow, they look like a turtle. Plus when they do open up things lately there's been problems (Frozen, ROL). Mostly they've just closed attractions and put up walls.

Universal meanwhile has looked like a Rabbit, in the past few years they've made 2 Harry Potter lands, a Simpsons section, Transformers, King Kong, updated Spiderman and the Hulk, a new water park, two new resorts and many others things I can't recall.

I wouldn't be surprised if Universal has a new theme park before Disney puts Gog inside Epcot.

 

[rteetz]

To be fair, isn't there at least some evidence this is a valid equation? Isn't that why those of us on the west coast got a year and a half of 60th anniversary celebration? In the park = more merch sales.

Also, WDW is not my bag, but I understand that Epcot is all about education, nay?

Do the rumors suggest what kind of education the ride will incorporate? Birth, life, and death of a star? General planet-toidy info? I'd love to know.

Epcot used to be educational not so much anymore. The Gaurdians ride wouldn't be educational.

 

[Berlioz70]

Also, WDW is not my bag, but I understand that Epcot is all about education, nay?

Nay.

Epcot's Brand Essence is Discovery, not education. It's about exploring and experiencing new ideas (future world), and cultures (world showcase). GOG is a movie in which characters explore new planets and technologies, so I can see why WDI would consider placing it in Epcot.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Nay.

Epcot's Brand Essence is Discovery, not education. It's about exploring and experiencing new ideas (future world), and cultures (world showcase). GOG is a movie in which characters explore new planets and technologies, so I can see why WDI would consider placing it in Epcot.

I can see why too...

A 50/50 cocktail of desperation and lack of new ideas.

It's a comic book, for gods sakes...they have 2 other parks within a brisk walk that's better suited for that...

 

[Sugart]

This is the way today's Disney operates. When Peter Pan was built they didn't build rides to help sell merchandise. Today's executives look to sell merch. That's why everything has to be tied to an IP.

This is what bothers me. Disneyland was built to promote Walts movies and intellectual properties. Disney is doing the same thing today. Now if you want to argue that it should be contained in Studios or Magic Kingdom, I could see it, but their business model has not changed in 60 years. Parks build attractions to promote Disney movies and merchandise. Peter Pan was absolutlely built for that reason.

 

[rteetz]

This is what bothers me. Disneyland was built to promote Walts movies and intellectual properties. Disney is doing the same thing today. Now if you want to argue that it should be contained in Studios or Magic Kingdom, I could see it, but their business model has not changed in 60 years. Parks build attractions to promote Disney movies and merchandise. Peter Pan was absolutlely built for that reason.

Of course they built rides to promote movies but they didn't always build rides for only successful movies. Look at Mr. toads wild ride, the movie it's based on wasn't incredibly successful but they still built a ride. Today's Disney will only build rides on incredibly successful movies like frozen or Star Wars.

 

[Sugart]

Of course they built rides to promote movies but they didn't always build rides for only successful movies. Look at Mr. toads wild ride, the movie it's based on wasn't incredibly successful but they still built a ride. Today's Disney will only build rides on incredibly successful movies like frozen or Star Wars.

To be fair, what Disney movie isn't commercially successful now a days.

Disney exec- " hey we have this movie that didn't do well at the box office, let's spend millions of dollars and make it into a ride at the most attended theme park in the world."

Brilliant!!! Or we can spend millions of dollars on something that did extremely well and people are asking more of. At what point do people stop living off the notion that it's still 1960 and that they know what Walt would do now, if still alive. Just because you are not pleased with with it, doesn't mean the masses would be. Disney does not make billions catering to the people of disboards.com despite what most of this forum thinks.

 

[rteetz]

To be fair, what Disney movie isn't commercially successful now a days.

Disney exec- " hey we have this movie that didn't do well at the box office, let's spend millions of dollars and make it into a ride at the most attended theme park in the world."

Brilliant!!! Or we can spend millions of dollars on something that did extremely well and people are asking more of. At what point do people stop living off the notion that it's still 1960 and that they know what Walt would do now, if still alive. Just because you are not pleased with with it, doesn't mean the masses would be. Disney does not make billions catering to the people of disboards.com despite what most of this forum thinks.

John Carter, tomorrowland, The BFG, Alice through the looking glass, the good dinosaur, just to name a few of movies that didn't do that well.

But then Disney has movies like Zootopia and big hero 6 but where are those rides or shows? Why isn't Disney making attractions based on those films? It took 20 years before Ariel finally got a ride.

I'm confused as to what you think I'm not pleased with.

I'll be the first one to tell you that the disboards make up an incredibly small percentage of what is inside the parks on a daily basis.

 

[Sugart]

John Carter, tomorrowland, The BFG, Alice through the looking glass, the good dinosaur, just to name a few of movies that didn't do that well.

But then Disney has movies like Zootopia and big hero 6 but where are those rides or shows? Why isn't Disney making attractions based on those films? It took 20 years before Ariel finally got a ride.

I'm confused as to what you think I'm not pleased with.

I'll be the first one to tell you that the disboards make up an incredibly small percentage of what is inside the parks on a daily basis.

Your idea that Disney shouldn't be installing rides to sell merchandise when it's been their goal the whole time. It took 20 years, to your point, but now it's a problem building rides on ip's that are more recent. Is your problem with guardians? I don't know why the aren't building anything for Zootopia or BH6, I'm more inclined to be excited on something that is atleast rumored than no discussion at all.

 

[rteetz]

Your idea that Disney shouldn't be installing rides to sell merchandise when it's been their goal the whole time. It took 20 years, to your point, but now it's a problem building rides on ip's that are more recent. Is your problem with guardians? I don't know why the aren't building anything for Zootopia or BH6, I'm more inclined to be excited on something that is atleast rumored than no discussion at all.

I never said Disney shouldn't build rides to sell merchandise. My problem isn't with the movies guardians it's with the execution. Same with frozen. Frozen should not be in Norway it should have gotten its own brand new dark ride because its success warranted that. Same with guardians, it was a successful movie so it should get its own attraction not be shoehorned in ToT or Universe of Energy.

 

[Sugart]

This is the way today's Disney operates. When Peter Pan was built they didn't build rides to help sell merchandise. Today's executives look to sell merch. That's why everything has to be tied to an IP.

Yes you did. That's what you are inferring here. Disney didn't build Peter Pan to sell merchandise, guardians is rumored to built to sell merchandise,that's the way Disney operates now. Not once in that quote did you mention any of the other reasons you mentioned. Again like I said earlier, if you did I would have understood that. I haven't see FEA yet, so i can't comment on the quality or validity of why it was placed in Norway, but I can tell UOE is extremely unpopular and anything there would be an upgrade imo. Who is to say they don't put something mind blowing in there with a guardians theme. An announcement has even been made and people, not saying you, are already writing it off.

My opinion, Disney is looking up the street seeing a competitor spends hundreds of millions of dollars with great success and they want in. Proof, Pandora, Star Wars, toy story, and now potentially something from their marvel universe. Disney will always be king of Orlando, but it's hard to ignore the gains Universal has churned out the last few years.