"Great deals" through travel agents

I am quite curious why other agencies, including Dream Unlimited, do not offer the same type of agency exclusives. I use Dreams Unlimited to book my Disney cruises but the agency exclusives I have taken advantage of elsewhere are hands down the best deals out there to be found. If I could book a comparable deal with Dreams I would!
 
I was wondering, on the average deal put together by a TA, are WDW deluxe resort rooms better priced than say, renting points through a DVC rental website? I've always liked to just do all the deal hunting myself, but if a TA is privy to better deals than the average bear, I'd be willing to look into that.


I price it both ways before booking every trip and, so far, no TA has been able to come anywhere near the discount of renting points (we book 2 bedrooms at AKL), even when free dining was factored in. It's by far the best price, but we're committed 11 months in advance. We don't actually like being on a dining plan, so a bigger, cheaper room is better for us than a smaller room with free food.
 
I price it both ways before booking every trip and, so far, no TA has been able to come anywhere near the discount of renting points (we book 2 bedrooms at AKL), even when free dining was factored in. It's by far the best price, but we're committed 11 months in advance. We don't actually like being on a dining plan, so a bigger, cheaper room is better for us than a smaller room with free food.
This sounds about right. I hate having to commit that early as well, but in the end, I'd be glad with the scraps leftover (i.e., SSR) so I don't mind going in a couple months in advance.
 

This sounds about right. I hate having to commit that early as well, but in the end, I'd be glad with the scraps leftover (i.e., SSR) so I don't mind going in a couple months in advance.
The problem is that "a couple of months in advance" is often too late for anything other than a random night here and there. December is still 4 months away and you cannot get a studio at any resort, even SSR, for more than a couple of consecutive nights as of this morning. But OTOH, July of this year had reasonable studio availability (2-3 consecutive nights) at the larger resorts (SSR, OKW and AKV) when I checked in May. DVC is not designed to accommodate last-minute travel. And by last-minute, I mean anything with 60 days or less before arrival.
 
I am quite curious why other agencies, including Dream Unlimited, do not offer the same type of agency exclusives. I use Dreams Unlimited to book my Disney cruises but the agency exclusives I have taken advantage of elsewhere are hands down the best deals out there to be found. If I could book a comparable deal with Dreams I would!
These other deals that some TAs have are booked through Disney Groups and Conventions. They end up with a deep discount on rooms in the neighborhood of 30% and a 10% discount on tickets. I'm not sure how it all works but I'd guess it's above board with Disney.

It seems some travel agents either don't have the resources to do this or aren't willing to take whatever risk may be in play. Again all speculation, but not many people are doing those types of deals. Your typical TA should offer you identical pricing to the Disney site (and maybe a $50 gift card or something for booking with them).
 
These other deals that some TAs have are booked through Disney Groups and Conventions. They end up with a deep discount on rooms in the neighborhood of 30% and a 10% discount on tickets. I'm not sure how it all works but I'd guess it's above board with Disney.

It seems some travel agents either don't have the resources to do this or aren't willing to take whatever risk may be in play. Again all speculation, but not many people are doing those types of deals. Your typical TA should offer you identical pricing to the Disney site (and maybe a $50 gift card or something for booking with them).
There must be a valid reason otherwise more travel agencies would do it. I now use agency exclusives or rent DVC when we go. Best deal wins!
 
When you book convention blocks, you have to guarantee a certain number of rooms. So there's a financial commitment. You have to be very sure you will be able to sell them.

This kind of terminology is in every convention contract with held hotel bookings. I have not seen agency exclusive contracts between agencies-Disney, but I have to believe that the guarantees are at least what they are for convention organizers, if not higher because the agency is not booking the convention center, meet and greets, cocktail hours, catering, etc. etc., all of which are key to convention/meetings P&L.
 
When you book convention blocks, you have to guarantee a certain number of rooms. So there's a financial commitment. You have to be very sure you will be able to sell them.

This kind of terminology is in every convention contract with held hotel bookings. I have not seen agency exclusive contracts between agencies-Disney, but I have to believe that the guarantees are at least what they are for convention organizers, if not higher because the agency is not booking the convention center, meet and greets, cocktail hours, catering, etc. etc., all of which are key to convention/meetings P&L.
I agree - some agencies may not want to take this risk, others may not have the resources to put themselves on the hook for the number of rooms.
 
as a client you may have to give up the flexibility to get your first or second choice of resorts to book with that TA. last year our first choice was POP, 2nd was ASMu. the deal for our week at a Value was at ASSp. For us it was Sports or no trip at all, just could not make it happen financially otherwise. and we booked 7 months out.

with a regular TA you would probably have more options as to where you could stay
 
These other deals that some TAs have are booked through Disney Groups and Conventions. They end up with a deep discount on rooms in the neighborhood of 30% and a 10% discount on tickets. I'm not sure how it all works but I'd guess it's above board with Disney.

It seems some travel agents either don't have the resources to do this or aren't willing to take whatever risk may be in play. Again all speculation, but not many people are doing those types of deals. Your typical TA should offer you identical pricing to the Disney site (and maybe a $50 gift card or something for booking with them).
I am sure this is how they do this. I cannot think of any other way. Disney controls its pricing TO THE CENT. If any travel agency offers you a discount that Disney itself is not advertising, I would inquire as to where it's coming from, so as to avoid a possible scam. I'm a little surprised that Disney would allow an agency to purchase room blocks and then advertise it as discounted rooms. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Disney might not know about it? I can't imagine Disney allows travel agents to undercut its own pricing.
 
I am sure this is how they do this. I cannot think of any other way. Disney controls its pricing TO THE CENT. If any travel agency offers you a discount that Disney itself is not advertising, I would inquire as to where it's coming from, so as to avoid a possible scam. I'm a little surprised that Disney would allow an agency to purchase room blocks and then advertise it as discounted rooms. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Disney might not know about it? I can't imagine Disney allows travel agents to undercut its own pricing.
The terms and conditions of these deals list a cancellation policy that says you must cancel 6 days in advance during normal business hours of the Disney Groups and Conventions department. Their ticket prices also mirror this: https://disneytickets.disney.go.com/store/101/welcome.html which is basically 10% off ticket prices and includes the bonus shown in the top right. I'm guessing for those doing it is above board with Disney but that's just my opinion. Disney's probably ok with it because it's guaranteed sold rooms.
 
For the TA's that do the awesome deals around Labor Day they also have discounted park tickets. I know I thought I was getting the room for "just" $200 but that was with me factoring in the WDW price of tickets. Once I found out how much the agent tickets were it was actually $230 a night for the room. Still an awesome deal and an even better deal with their discounted tickets!!! Now they won't tell you separate prices but I always ask for room only price and a price with tickets so I can figure out the best deal on the ticket portion. They've always been the best deal on the ticket portion.
 
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The terms and conditions of these deals list a cancellation policy that says you must cancel 6 days in advance during normal business hours of the Disney Groups and Conventions department. Their ticket prices also mirror this: https://disneytickets.disney.go.com/store/101/welcome.html which is basically 10% off ticket prices and includes the bonus shown in the top right. I'm guessing for those doing it is above board with Disney but that's just my opinion. Disney's probably ok with it because it's guaranteed sold rooms.

Disney absolutely knows agencies are booking this way and are okay with it.
I suppose if the terms are somehow listed in a disclaimer somewhere, Disney might allow it. But I guarantee that they do NOT allow an entity to unilaterally advertise Disney discounts.
 
I suppose if the terms are somehow listed in a disclaimer somewhere, Disney might allow it. But I guarantee that they do NOT allow an entity to unilaterally advertise Disney discounts.
Are you saying you don't think Disney knows about this agency advertising discounts? These deals have been going on for years. The have a website, FB page etc.... There is no way on earth that Disney doesn't know about it.
 
Are you saying you don't think Disney knows about this agency advertising discounts? These deals have been going on for years. The have a website, FB page etc.... There is no way on earth that Disney doesn't know about it.
I initially suspected that, but no longer, as I understand now how prevalent these deals are. But there is a loophole these agencies are using to bring about such deals. I guess Disney is satisfied with how they are doing it, so it is what it is.
 
I am sure this is how they do this. I cannot think of any other way. Disney controls its pricing TO THE CENT. If any travel agency offers you a discount that Disney itself is not advertising, I would inquire as to where it's coming from, so as to avoid a possible scam. I'm a little surprised that Disney would allow an agency to purchase room blocks and then advertise it as discounted rooms. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Disney might not know about it? I can't imagine Disney allows travel agents to undercut its own pricing.

Disney absolutely knows they are doing this. They want to fill rooms and are willing to sell them "at bulk", so to speak, to fill them. Plus, the only way to book these rooms is to call Disney groups, so how would they NOT know? No one is "undercutting" Disney pricing. The pricing is being set by Disney Groups, through contracts, and all the money is going straight to Disney!

There are quite a few agencies that contract with the Disney Groups Dept. (as a convention would), get the room blocks at a discount and then pass the discount on to their clients. Boscov's (the department store) http://www.boscovstravel.com/ used to be the biggest Disney group sales agency in the US, but I don't know if that's still the case. If you look on their website, you will see their exclusive charters advertised. This is all legit and contracted through Disney.

As to why all agencies aren't doing it? - my guess is it's because negotiating the contracts takes a TON of time and effort. If anyone here has ever booked or managed a convention or large group (wedding, etc.) at a resort, you know what I'm talking about. Now multiply that experience with the number of travel timeframes, per year, you want to offer a room block. It's a ton of work. It's also less money, in the long run, as the TA's will get less commission on the discounted room than they would get if they booked it at rack or a general public discount and there is no commission on the tickets. So agencies really need to do a cost/benefit analysis to see if entering into these contracts will ultimately be of any value to them - or just a huge pain to manage with little reward.

A suggestion - if you question an agency, look to see if they are "EarMarked" (they will typically have a special Mickey logo on their web page showing their status) or check here: http://www.authorizeddisneyvacationplanners.com/ Check their FB page, look at yelp reviews. We live in an age where a simple google search will let you know, pretty quickly, if a business or business person fulfilled their promise to their clients.

Third-party wholesalers (like Expedia and Orbitz) also frequently offer discounts beyond Disney's general public promos. These sellers work through the Disney Wholesale dept. and are also completely legit.

So, sorry, but, you lost your bet. Disney has been entering into group contracts with travel agencies for years.
 
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I initially suspected that, but no longer, as I understand now how prevalent these deals are. But there is a loophole these agencies are using to bring about such deals. I guess Disney is satisfied with how they are doing it, so it is what it is.

It's not a loophole. These are negotiated contracts that benefit Disney and are negotiated on a yearly basis. If Disney didn't want to offer room blocks through agencies and weren't benefitting from them, they would simply stop offering the contracts.
 
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