GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[anthony2k7]

Heavy breathing I get, but does Covid spread by sweat?

There isn't enough data to know if its actually secreted in sweat or if the virus just attaches to sweat from the air breathed out. Apparently.

Just seems like a massive risk to me either way.

 

[GreatLakes]

Heavy breathing I get, but does Covid spread by sweat?

We don't know that it doesn't so we should act as though it does. For gyms it is a combination of things. Increased respiration, everyone sharing equipment, the proximity, sweat, all of it. Plus as much as I like the gym and lap pool there are plenty of other, often better, ways to get healthy so we can use them with less risk.

All that being said, and I really do like exercise and find it important, diet plays a much larger role in health than exercise. You will never outwork a poor diet. I hope we are taking this extra time at home and not going to restaurants to cook real food and eat better. That will do more for our health then any gym ever could.

 

[sam_gordon]

We don't know that it doesn't so we should act as though it does. For gyms it is a combination of things. Increased respiration, everyone sharing equipment, the proximity, sweat, all of it. Plus as much as I like the gym and lap pool there are plenty of other, often better, ways to get healthy so we can use them with less risk.

The "since we don't know we assume it does" doesn't fly with me. That's what has people wiping down delivery boxes, food containers, etc. If someone wants to do that, more power to them. I think that's going further than need be, but that's me.

All that being said, and I really do like exercise and find it important, diet plays a much larger role in health than exercise. You will never outwork a poor diet. I hope we are taking this extra time at home and not going to restaurants to cook real food and eat better. That will do more for our health then any gym ever could.

Speaking only of me... yea, not happening.

 

[cakebaker]

Heavy breathing I get, but does Covid spread by sweat?

It's really irrelevant whether it can definitely be spread through sweat or not, although the current thought is it can't be. The problem is, one rarely sweats (unless you're sick) without also breathing heavy and that is one of the most effective ways to spread the virus.

A good rule of thumb is, avoid people who are actively sweating. Gyms are one the worst risk places you can go, which makes DeSantis's comments ridiculous. It doesn't matter how fit the person at the gym is. It's not how sick they might get that matters, it's that it can contribute to the spread. I'm not sure what anyone can do at this point to make people understand it's the spread we should be concerned with, not if 1 person is going to die getting it.

 

[cakebaker]

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_20200718.pdf Testing has slowed the last few days, but over 10k cases yesterday, 10k fewer tests, pop is up at 12.17 daily, over 15 average. Nothing encouraging, no reason there would be.

 

[anthony2k7]

It's really irrelevant whether it can definitely be spread through sweat or not, although the current thought is it can't be. The problem is, one rarely sweats (unless you're sick) without also breathing heavy and that is one of the most effective ways to spread the virus.

A good rule of thumb is, avoid people who are actively sweating. Gyms are one the worst risk places you can go, which makes DeSantis's comments ridiculous. It doesn't matter how fit the person at the gym is. It's not how sick they might get that matters, it's that it can contribute to the spread. I'm not sure what anyone can do at this point to make people understand it's the spread we should be concerned with, not if 1 person is going to die getting it.

DeSantis really doesnt get it at all does he?

 

[anthony2k7]

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_20200718.pdf
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Only 90 new deaths! Its over!

 

[KBoopaloo]

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_20200718.pdf Testing has slowed the last few days, but over 10k cases yesterday, 10k fewer tests, pop is up at 12.17 daily, over 15 average. Nothing encouraging, no reason there would be.

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I just don’t know how this gets back down to anything close to manageable while things are still open and people are out and about. The CM vloggers I mentioned previously were at an Escape Room in Orlando last night with no masks (at least not in the photo they posted). People are just not taking it seriously even as 10,000 plus new cases get reported daily.

 

[cakebaker]

Only 90 new deaths! Its over!

You need to get your priorities in order. The big news today is the people mover is still down and there's a delay this morning for ROTR. Fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind.....

 

[anthony2k7]

I just don’t know how this gets back down to anything close to manageable while things are still open and people are out and about. The CM vloggers I mentioned previously were at an Escape Room in Orlando last night with no masks (at least not in the photo they posted). People are just not taking it seriously even as 10,000 plus new cases get reported daily.

We're at a critical point now really. The increase in numbers seems to have slowed (i have no idea how!!) If they are somehow "lucky" enough to maintain these numbers daily then maybe, just maybe, hospitals will manage to cope.

Thats assuming any of the numbers we're told now from any of the red zone states are anywhere close to reality of course.

 

[cakebaker]

I just don’t know how this gets back down to anything close to manageable while things are still open and people are out and about. The CM vloggers I mentioned previously were at an Escape Room in Orlando last night with no masks (at least not in the photo they posted). People are just not taking it seriously even as 10,000 plus new cases get reported daily.

I don't either. It's going to have to get to a point so devastating we can't even imagine it I'm afraid. I think when school starts and the flu season hits, that might just happen.

 

[anthony2k7]

You need to get your priorities in order. The big news today is the people mover is still down and there's a delay this morning for ROTR. Fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind.....

Yeah plus the other guy we're not really allowed to talk about further north has apparently completely moved on and isn't looking at latest numbers at all now.

 

[cakebaker]

We're at a critical point now really. The increase in numbers seems to have slowed (i have no idea how!!) If they are somehow "lucky" enough to maintain these numbers daily then maybe, just maybe, hospitals will manage to cope.

I think the bump up we saw is directly related to the re-opening, then the 4th of July. The next event to bump us up will be schools opening and Labor Day. The problem I see is we aren't coming down off these bumps. There was time when 6-7k cases made us gasp. That would be welcome news. Now anything under 10 would look good.

They're also doing less testing 10k fewer today than yesterday, 10k fewer yesterday than the day before. The steady isn't really all that steady, it's just fewer tests being run.

 

[anthony2k7]

The variance in tests completed numbers still confuses me. I dont understand how they can go up and down by so much per day.

 

[kymom99]

The variance in tests completed numbers still confuses me. I dont understand how they can go up and down by so much per day.

It might be reporting lags

 

[KBoopaloo]

Meanwhile they had to close at least one testing site today because of weather.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1284503722702393344

 

[kdonnel]

I just don’t know how this gets back down to anything close to manageable while things are still open and people are out and about. The CM vloggers I mentioned previously were at an Escape Room in Orlando last night with no masks (at least not in the photo they posted). People are just not taking it seriously even as 10,000 plus new cases get reported daily.

Just like it has in Sweden.

While Sweden did not have a national lockdown they did voluntarily greatly reduce who was out and about. Eventually more and more people starting getting out and the numbers spiked and then dropped.

Despite not implementing a mask requirement, numbers have declined.






And yes Sweden has had a higher percentage of their population die but the vast majority were old to very old based on their average life expectancy.

 

[randumb0]

DeSantis really doesnt get it at all does he?

What virus?

 

[godisney14]

What virus?

the flu, don’t worry about it.

 

[charmed59]

According to our local health services (50 miles north of DisneyWorld) the testing results are backed up to 8 to 10 days. They are suggesting if you think you may have been exposed go ahead and self quarantine, you don’t need to stand in the sun for 4 hours in line waiting for a test and you will know in pretty much the same time whether you have it or not.