GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[cakebaker]

I wonder what percentage of people with AP live out of state? I'm thinking it's not that high.

What bothers me, also, is that with this discount a lot of people from Miami, where they have a large number of restrictions, hold APs and now are thinking, lets go to WDW, and potentially bringing the virus to the very place no one wants it.

I really hope WDW doesn't have any issues with opening, but my logical mind says there is no way they are going to get by unscathed. The only thing going for them is that there is virtually zero contact tracing being done in FL. I feel the most sorry for the CMs that will be exposed and have to deal with this.

There's no way to know the exact numbers, but many people are like us- we visited often, always stayed on site and the AP saved us a ton of money. I do think it's an attempt to attract locals to stay onsite as well though. There's no way they make a profit from just being a locals park with day guests. I also agree it's even more irresponsible for them to offer enticing discounts. Locals are probably the very group most likely to spread the virus at this point. There aren't many states with worse numbers. But local AP's are having some trouble getting park reservations. With this discount, they can book a value for under $125 for the night and get park access. I'm sure that's one of Disney's intentions- get them to pay more to be able to get into the parks.

Reservations have to be in the tank. I had my choice of resorts for any time during the discount window.

 

[Judique]

I was one that wanted them to open with Universal. Looking back, clearly it was because it worked for me. Had they opened with Universal, we would've gone with the reservation we had that was for those dates, would've been home before things went crazy and I'd be counting my lucky stars right now.

But, that was short sighted and I was wrong. It was too early. I've under estimated this virus from the get go, but no more. When they have to choose between jobs and public safety, hands down, safety wins. They run a huge risk of 1) things tanking even worse and still having shut down, only they see outbreaks traced to them or 2) They can't get enough people in the parks to not bleed money worse than bein shut. We could still go for a short trip and go to the AP preview, but we aren't. It's just not sensible.

Hindsight is certainly 2020. But what I admire is that you can actually see and say that things turned out differently.

So many people were and still are in denial about the realities of this situation.

The reality to me is that we all have to take personal responsibility for our own lives and actions. Some people are just going to do what 'they' want so the rest of us just have to avoid them since we can't control them.

Looking at the way things are in Florida, it is my opinion only that Disney needs to step back again. It took 2-3 months for the Northeast to flatten the curve with restrictions. Florida is only starting the 'peak' process and don't have the same restrictions or cooperation in place. How can this go good for them until they recognize that they have a problem that has just landed and started to explode on their doorstep?

And, I'm a DVC member for what that is worth. I also think that Disney may be under a certain amount of pressure to open from people who worry about the economy and who see the loss of lives as a price to pay to keep things going. I've got a trip in November that I haven't canceled yet. If I have to cancel I'm not going to whine about it. Staying alive for future trips is more important than living for that moment. My decision is pretty much made as I can't blame others if I walk into the fire.

 

[KBoopaloo]

Terrible numbers again today. Overall positivity is over 20%. For new cases 18%. Over 8900 new cases today.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

 

[dlavender]

Terrible numbers again today. Overall positivity is over 20%. For new cases 18%. Over 8900 new cases today.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

Not the trend we are wanting to see.

I keep thinking its going to go the other way.

Maybe in August?!

 

[KBoopaloo]

Also 120 deaths.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281237358462078985

 

[KBoopaloo]

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Not the trend we are wanting to see.

I keep thinking its going to go the other way.

Maybe in August?!

I don’t think we’ll see non scary numbers until September though they might start to decline sooner than that. Our worst day for new cases in MA was at the end of April and we still see 200-300 new cases a day and yesterday still had 30 deaths. And our worst day for new cases was 4000 cases and we were shut down almost entirely until the first week of June. Once it starts spreading like this, it takes a very long time for the numbers to come down and it will be even worse since Florida is pretty much open so you have a ton of asymptomatic people out in restaurants and stores and theme parks unknowingly infecting others.

 

[Searc]

I wonder what percentage of people with AP live out of state? I'm thinking it's not that high.

That number is much higher than you think.

 

[Searc]

Terrible numbers again today. Overall positivity is over 20%. For new cases 18%. Over 8900 new cases today.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

Oh. my. god.

 

[Karin1984]

I wonder what percentage of people with AP live out of state? I'm thinking it's not that high.

When I look at Europe and Disneyland Paris, I think it's more than you think.

When you look at the amount of days you need per year to justify the costs of an AP. In Paris it's about 4 day tickets to get to the price of the most expensive AP. If you then take into account all the discounts you get on merchandise and restaurants, it's quite 'cheap' to get an AP. As you have to travel, you do not go for a day, you go for at least 2 days per visit. So you only need 2 visits a year to get your money's worth.

I believe it's 10 day tickets you need for Disney World to make an AP worth it? So, that takes a bit more effort than in Europe, but still doable.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

FL is adding 9,000 new cases every day with no end in sight. Just don't go there. If you live there, please stay home.

 

[wombat_5606]

When I look at Europe and Disneyland Paris, I think it's more than you think.

When you look at the amount of days you need per year to justify the costs of an AP. In Paris it's about 4 day tickets to get to the price of the most expensive AP. If you then take into account all the discounts you get on merchandise and restaurants, it's quite 'cheap' to get an AP. As you have to travel, you do not go for a day, you go for at least 2 days per visit. So you only need 2 visits a year to get your money's worth.

I believe it's 10 day tickets you need for Disney World to make an AP worth it? So, that takes a bit more effort than in Europe, but still doable.

Good point. I'm sorry I didn't even think in terms of Europe. My bad.

I have always heard it was 10 at WDW too. I can easily do that because we take a month long vacation in Florida every year. So, if I add a Disney specific trip, I can get 10 days easy. Now my daughter lives in Florida and since she arrived, I've probably spent 45+ days a year in the park.

I was just surprised to found out that some Floridians, including CMs, were surprised that I had an AP since I lived out of state.

 

[Jrb1979]

https://www.fox19.com/2020/07/08/kings-island-employee-tests-positive-coronavirus-park-announces/
Only a matter of time til you hear this happening at the Florida parks. I'm amazed at how many on this board are still planning on going. I will say there is a reason they haven't opened theme parks where I live.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

https://www.fox19.com/2020/07/08/kings-island-employee-tests-positive-coronavirus-park-announces/
Only a matter of time til you hear this happening at the Florida parks. I'm amazed at how many on this board are still planning on going. I will say there is a reason they haven't opened theme parks where I live.

But isn’t this a theme park you said you’d be comfortable going to? And were encouraging locals to consider going? It’s not in a hot spot.

I’m with you though - I’m glad CA has not given permission yet. I’d like us to get a better handle on things before moving forward.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

https://www.fox19.com/2020/07/08/kings-island-employee-tests-positive-coronavirus-park-announces/
Only a matter of time til you hear this happening at the Florida parks. I'm amazed at how many on this board are still planning on going. I will say there is a reason they haven't opened theme parks where I live.

Unless the virus magically is eradicated from the world by the time your parks open you could and very likely will have the same situation so it probably pays to be careful with how you say things. Every place of business is subject to having employees at some point or another test positive or a guest/visitor test positive; general you is not immune to this.

 

[wombat_5606]

https://www.fox19.com/2020/07/08/kings-island-employee-tests-positive-coronavirus-park-announces/
Only a matter of time til you hear this happening at the Florida parks. I'm amazed at how many on this board are still planning on going. I will say there is a reason they haven't opened theme parks where I live.

The difference is that Florida is not going to be doing any contact tracing, so unless the individual goes public, which Disney probably forbids, then no one will know a CM is positive.

In our city, the hospital identified a cluster when they started seeing a increase in the number of people showing up at the ER. They started asking people what they had been doing and they told them that they had been on a beach vacation. It was either the hospital reporting or we are doing enough contact tracing that it was discovered. Florida is woefully unprepared for identifying a cluster.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Unless the virus magically is eradicated from the world by the time your parks open you could and very likely will have the same situation so it probably pays to be careful with how you say things. Every place of business is subject to having employees at some point or another test positive or a guest/visitor test positive; general you is not immune to this.

There's no reason (other than selfishness) to go to any theme park in any state right now.

 

[Jrb1979]

But isn’t this a theme park you said you’d be comfortable going to? And were encouraging locals to consider going? It’s not in a hot spot.

I’m with you though - I’m glad CA has not given permission yet. I’d like us to get a better handle on things before moving forward.

Yes I would have felt comfortable in going to that park. Not anymore. I'm not afraid of the virus but any place that I have heard an employee get Covid I avoid. That includes businesses here where I live.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There's no reason (other than selfishness) to go to any theme park in any state right now.

That's actually not at all what I was talking about clearly. I don't think I can be any more plain than what I said. Whether a theme park opens up now or opens up next year there's a chance that an employee tests positive and it goes for all places of business. Unless it's eradicated by then it's always a chance. We should try to stay as humble as we can

Sounds like you have a different agenda than what my comment was about especially as I never mentioned going to a theme park anywhere in my comment and my prior comments explicitly stated I was not interested in going to WDW right now nor the amusement park located 45mins from me. Sooo would you like to try again with your response to my comment or are you just interested in putting a comment out there unrelated to my comment?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Yes I would have felt comfortable in going to that park. Not anymore. I'm not afraid of the virus but any place that I have heard an employee get Covid I avoid. That includes businesses here where I live.

To be clear, I agree with you about FL. I think anybody going is a taking a very high risk.

But the truth is, as @Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said, it can happen anywhere and anytime and you may not get advanced notice. Our grocery store just had an employee test positive yesterday. They shut down the grocery store and brought in a professional cleaning team and are re-opening today (original staff is all on mandatory quarantine while they wait to get tested and they’ve brought in workers from another store). Are people now not supposed to go grocery shopping either?

It’s a really slippery slope to say you’ll never go to those businesses. I think there is a way to mitigate your chances like not going to high risk businesses (theme parks, bars, etc), but I don’t think we’ll able to avoid all chances unless we literally don’t leave our houses.

But to clarify, has your position changed to no amusement parks, regardless of where they are? You’re absolutely allowed to change your opinion, so I don’t want to pull up the past if it has.

 

[cakebaker]

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Not the trend we are wanting to see.

I keep thinking its going to go the other way.

Maybe in August?!

Without mitigation, it's not going to get any better. Some states have just decided they're going to let it follow it's natural course and however many die, that's how many die. Eventually we'll either get a vaccine or everyone will catch it. I'm honestly speechless we value life so little. I have not been afraid until just lately- and I wouldn't be if we were only making an attempt to curb this thing- and we aren't. Hospitals are going to be over run and people who didn't have to die will, just for lack of treatment.

My family are all teachers. They go back next month and our schools plans are to open as though nothing were going on. Parents are demanding it. They'd apparently rather put their kids at risk as well as all the teachers so they can have their babysitters.

I at least am grateful that my grandson won't be going. He is being home schooled. This all is unneccesary and it's infuritating.