GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[Searc]

We can agree to disagree.

It's hard to disagree with facts, but some people still try.

 

[CarolAnn856]

No one said its over, but most have realized that its not nearly as bad as it seemed in March. This could have been a whole lot worst and its not.

BECAUSE WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO - social distancing, stay-at home directives, and masks WORKED.

To everyone else on this thread who is reasonable, I apologize for text-yelling, but I just can’t take the head-in-the-sand mentality displayed by some people anymore.

 

[jlwhitney]

It's hard to disagree with facts, but some people still try.

Fact is is that it is not bad as thought due to the fact we know more now and also have better idea on how to treat.

Fact is also we can’t stay closed up , too many don’t want to acknowledge the other impacts this has done to our country that are just as bad if not worst.

 

[jlwhitney]

BECAUSE WE DID WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO - social distancing, stay-at home directives, and masks WORKED.

To everyone else on this thread who is reasonable, I apologize for text-yelling, but I just can’t take the head-in-the-sand mentality displayed by some people anymore.

We got hospitals prepared . The goal was never to eliminate, fact was most would get it, but we needed to make sure hospitals had room to treat so what happened in Italy didn’t here. We did that And Are watching the hospitals now as we move forward.

 

[kymom99]

This thread is a perfect example of those dismissing the severity continually moving the goalposts of why this pandemic isn't worrisome and it's basically over.

All it will take is one good hot spot.

 

[Searc]

All it will take is one good hot spot.

We currently have more than one ~ FL, AZ, TX and the list continues...

 

[RamblingMad]

We currently have more than one ~ FL, AZ, TX and the list continues...

Yep. Keeps spreading here in AZ. PCR testing is 10% positivity in total. It’s 19% as of last week with this rate climbing since the beginning of May according to azdhs.gov. And we’re having a rally tomorrow. Couldn’t they do it over Zoom? We’re screwed.

 

[CarolAnn856]

We got hospitals prepared . The goal was never to eliminate, fact was most would get it, but we needed to make sure hospitals had room to treat so what happened in Italy didn’t here. We did that And Are watching the hospitals now as we move forward.

What are you even talking about anymore? Masking, social distancing, and stay at home orders are how we helped “prepare” hospitals because less patients equals more prepared hospitals. I’m so done with people like you. Over and out.

 

[CarolAnn856]

All it will take is one good hot spot.

Apparently not, because we have multiple hotspots and yet are still seeing people with their heads in the sand as pointed out earlier.

 

[jlwhitney]

What are you even talking about anymore? Masking, social distancing, and stay at home orders are how we helped “prepare” hospitals because less patients equals more prepared hospitals. I’m so done with people like you. Over and out.

Could say the same about you that refuse to see the other side and think the country should be closed up still. Hosptilas have room them have Ppe and can handle people coming in. Many have contingency plans they didn’t have in March. So moving forward is the right thing to do, if hospitals get to where they might not handle the surge then you see what needs to be done . It’s a fluid situation.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

This thread is a perfect example of those dismissing the severity continually moving the goalposts of why this pandemic isn't worrisome and it's basically over.

Right, because initially, people stayed home and businesses closed. When that was done, we either continued to stay home or we wore masks and socially distanced when possible. Now, businesses and restaurants have reopened and people are bored with those preventive measures, so cases are skyrocketing again because nothing is being done to prevent spread.

A little critical thinking goes a long way.

What goal posts moved? Because truthfully the only one I saw moved was from flattening the curve to whatever it is we're doing now.

I will admit to be biased on this because I'm from a state who's taken it seriously from day one, but I don't think it's fair to lump "people" or "the entire country" into the decisions of a few states because most states are actually doing ok! Even CA who two weeks ago was lumped into "spiking cases" has dropped off the radar because we're not actually spiking. But some how even the expected rise in cases equated into a spike. And that's part of it - the rise in cases was always expected as things opened up. Now, I won't argue either way for states like AZ, TX & FL as I have no idea what to believe there, but 3 states do not make up the entirety of this country and we need to stop talking about it like they do.

My area has reopened and has managed to do so safely.

(edited for grammatical error)

 

[SmallWorld71]

I don't know what to make of the news, but it sounds a lot worse than it FEELS. I live in Tampa and my county (Hillsborough) is one of the lesser hotspots, but I don't know one single person who's tested positive. And of all the people I know in the area with whom I've discussed this, only two know someone who has had it. And those were only tangentially--as in "my husband's coworker's mother-in-law tested positive."

It's not like people are dropping like flies.

My step son is in Orlando and he knows many people. He is sick and tried to get a test but they wouldn’t test him since he’s from out of state. (He has lived in FL for 3 years, but his health insurance is through me in MA.) His roommate has the same symptoms as him (high fever, loss of taste etc) and should get his test results back today. If the roommate is positive, we are assuming he is too.

 

[SmallWorld71]

In NJ we wear masks in all public indoor places. It’s not that hard - you get used to it. I work in a school and we all know we will be wearing them when school reopens

I’m so tired of hearing people complain about how the masks diminish their freedoms. You know the saying - no shoes; no shirt; no service. Just add in masks! If it helps reduce transmission I’m all for it!

Yeah, that argument makes no sense to me. It reminds me of when we first had to wear seatbelts. So many people were making similar arguments that they are now about the masks. “It’s too uncomfortable, it’s up to me if I want to wear it, the government can’t tell me what to do...” I know many people who didn’t have the sense to wear one until someone they knew was killed.
As someone who had a panic attack the first time I wore a mask, I know that they can be hard for some. But the more you wear it, the easier it gets.

 

[jlwhitney]

What goal posts moved? Because truthfully the only one I saw moved was from flattening the curve to whatever is we're doing now.

I will admit to be biased on this because I'm from a state who's taken it seriously from day one, but I don't think it's fair to lump "people" or "the entire country" into the decisions of a few states because most states are actually doing ok! Even CA who two weeks ago was lumped into "spiking cases" has dropped off the radar because we're not actually spiking. But some how even the expected rise in cases equated into a spike. And that's part of it - the rise in cases was always expected as things opened up. Now, I won't argue either way for states like AZ, TX & FL as I have no idea what to believe there, but 3 states do not make up the entirety of this country and we need to stop talking about like they do.

My area has reopened and has managed to do so safely.

Even all of Florida isn't an issue. South Florida is still the biggest concern and then some of the North central farming communities. And a few pockets here and there, but huge amount are asymptomatic.

 

[jlwhitney]

My step son is in Orlando and he knows many people. He is sick and tried to get a test but they wouldn’t test him since he’s from out of state. (He has lived in FL for 3 years, but his health insurance is through me in MA.) His roommate has the same symptoms as him (high fever, loss of taste etc) and should get his test results back today. If the roommate is positive, we are assuming he is too.

That is strange because non residents can get tested in Florida , but it might cost more or not be free which may be the issue.

 

[HeatherC]

I don't know what to make of the news, but it sounds a lot worse than it FEELS. I live in Tampa and my county (Hillsborough) is one of the lesser hotspots, but I don't know one single person who's tested positive. And of all the people I know in the area with whom I've discussed this, only two know someone who has had it. And those were only tangentially--as in "my husband's coworker's mother-in-law tested positive."

It's not like people are dropping like flies.

I agree that it doesn’t “seem” like people are dropping like flies. But we have still lost over 122,000 Americans in the last couple months and the numbers grow daily. If wearing a mask and practicing a bit of social distancing can save even one life more, then I’m all for it. I don’t even care what the death rate is. Even those who have recovered have in many cases said it was awful. If we all just wear the masks when out and about, businesses can stay open and we can cut the numbers of sick and dying. That is a no brainer to me. Unfortunately, most don’t seem to think that is worth doing.

 

[HeatherC]

Even all of Florida isn't an issue. South Florida is still the biggest concern and then some of the North central farming communities. And a few pockets here and there, but huge amount are asymptomatic.

And those asymptomatic cases can still keep spreading it unknowingly. Those types of cases are more concerning than the actual sick ones in that regard.

 

[wombat_5606]

Even all of Florida isn't an issue. South Florida is still the biggest concern and then some of the North central farming communities. And a few pockets here and there, but huge amount are asymptomatic.

The virus is supposed to get better. It's supposed to get better because we are learning more about the virus everyday. It's supposed to get better because they have learned more and more about transmission, susceptibility and treatment. It's supposed to get better because they have found that if you wear a mask, wash your hands and stay 6ft away from people, we can slow the spread of the virus.

It doesn't mean the virus is any less important than it was from day one. It means we are learning how to live with it. Isn't that what most of us want?

Just because the virus isn't affecting a large number of people in your town, doesn't mean it's not a pandemic. If you go about your business and travel to Florida or in or through any of the other 24 states where the virus is spreading quickly, then you could potentially pick up the virus, return home and start your own cluster, if you aren't taking the 3 steps to help prevent it.

Just because the virus isn't affecting a large number of people in your town, doesn't mean your town can go back to normal. The only way to ensure that would be possible is to have an extremely low number of cases, contact tracing to identify any contacts and then close your towns border so that no one got in or out. Is that what people want? No.

Until we can get the spread low enough and the absolute most people possible adhering to the safety guidelines to give our science time to find a vaccine or come to understand that this is seasonal, or that we can handle the numbers of people affected while society goes on as normal. At the present time, we are in the beginning stages of that.

There are a large number of people that would rather focus on the low numbers of deaths or focus on the fact that they don't know anyone that is affected or the fact the hospitals aren't currently overrun. They want to focus on the fact that there is conflicting information being presented while the medical community works through the learning curve of this virus.

But so many are missing the big picture. It's a virus that is living in our country and in virtually every country in the world. We have ways to live our lives with it, but some seem very reluctant to do it and would rather argue about why it's unnecessary.

Wear a mask, social distance and wash your hands. How hard is it?

 

[Mango7100]

We got hospitals prepared . The goal was never to eliminate, fact was most would get it, but we needed to make sure hospitals had room to treat so what happened in Italy didn’t here. We did that And Are watching the hospitals now as we move forward.

There is a difference between moving forward with precautions and not however. I haven’t heard anyone call for a lockdown on this thread...which is what it would take to eliminate COVID (such as what New Zealand did successfully). It is frustrating though that some people scream about how the financial fallout is devastating (Which it is) but also refuse to comply with any measure that allows businesses to open (such as mandatory masks and distancing). I am not talking about you specifically, but I have heard so many people want everything back to pre-COVID and refuse to have any perceived inconvenience.

Also tired of those that decide to be cautious painted as some fools who bought into the giant media conspiracy.

 

[SmallWorld71]

That is strange because non residents can get tested in Florida , but it might cost more or not be free which may be the issue.

Yes, my husband is the one who talked to him and he doesn't ask questions the way I do so I am not sure exactly how it all went down. If the roommates results come back positive, I will grill him for more information. As a 24 year old who is carefully watching every penny, it very well could have been a financial issue and he didn't want to report it that way to his father. I can usually get more information out of him.
Do you happen to know anything about what the costs may be? I would offer him the $ if that is the problem.