Grand Canyon area with kids

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I'm looking for some ideas for our next vacation, and we would really like to take our kids to the Grand Canyon. My parents are even interested in coming with us. We are thinking of flying out to Vegas, and renting a car from there. So far, I'm thinking Hoover Dam, South Rim, maybe a helicopter ride through the canyon, some sort of day or half day rafting trip, and either Bryce Canyon or Zion.

Our kids will be 10 and 7 next summer. My parents are in descent shape and in their early 60's. I'm just looking for places to stay, things to do with family...that kind of thing.

Also, we're thinking of staying a day or two in Vegas. I'd love to show the kids the fountains at Bellagio, take them to downtown (Freemont), and just be able to see the lights of the strip. Don't want them to see too much Vegas, though, if you know what I mean:scared1:

thanks for your help/suggestions!
 
When the kids were 4, 6 & 10 we drove from LA to Vegas to Lake Mead National Recreation Area, stayed overnight in Lake Mead then hit the Hoover dam on our way to the Grand Canyon.

the Hoover Dam is really neat but be prepared for heat if going in summer. It was 114 the day we were there. Sooo hot. The tour was totally cool. At the time you could drive over the dam, but be prepared there were stopping and inspecting all cars before driving over the dam and this took quite a bit of time. They were in the middle of constructing a bridge that would divert traffic away from the dam but I don't know what the timetable was for the bridge.

The grand canyon is totally awesome. There is a major temperature difference between the South Rim and the Hoover Dam. The temperatures at the Rim were in the low 80s on the same day as it was 114 at the Dam...

IMO the best place to stay at the Grand Canyon was in the park itself. We stayed at Maswik Lodge. It cost about $80/night and the rooms were very clean and neat. There are several other hotels in the park that are also supposed to be very nice. The food was pricey but no more so than at WDW. Totally worth it to be 10 minute walk from hotel room door to the Rim to watch the sunset or sunrise over the canyon.

We looked into the helicopter rides but be prepared to pay. It was very expensive so we opted not to do it.

What we did do - hiked the Rim Trail from the Bright Angel Trailhead west. My kids did great even the 4 yo. Until you get to Pima Point the trail is easy and well marked. After Pima point we felt the trail was too dangerous for the kids so we turned back took the bus from Pima Point to Hermit's Rest then from Hermit's Rest back to the Bright Angel Trailhead. Just make sure everyone has their own water (1-2 liters/ea) when you set out and leave early in the AM. We left at 7:30 and were back in the room by 3 PM. I've posted a couple of pictures of the trail so you can see what it looks like. You can also hike east along the trail to see other view points. The beauty of these trails is you get some great views of the canyon that very few people see and that you don't get from the overlooks.
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Also while in the park make sure to visit the Native American Ruins and the over look tower. sooo cool.

My parents took the Train from Williams to the South Rim. They said it was really fun but again, pricey.

ETA - If planning on visiting Havasupi Falls, try to avoid hiking in. DH gets backpacker magazine and one of the relatively recent articles was about the number of thefts and other crimes that have been happening to hikers along the trail to the falls.

Other places to visit in the area are 4 Corners (stand in 4 states at one time), Petrified Forest National Park, Sonoma. There is a place nearby that has Dinosaur fossils - I forget what it's called but if you look at a map it's marked on there.
 
i'n subbing to this thread. I live in CA and never have gone to the
grand canyon . I would love to go.

1. When is the best time to go? Nice weather I dont like the heat.

2. What else is there to do?

3. How many days would be good to stay?
 
I think you will love your vacation!! Our family did northern Arizona over Spring Break in 2008. Our girls were just turned 12 and 10.

The best forum to get advice is tripadvisor.com. The people there know everything! And nps.gov (national park service) will tell you about all the parks.

On our trip we flew into Phoenix, drove up to Flagstaff and stayed one night seeing Montezuma's Castle, Wapatki, and Sunset Crater. We then spent 3 nights in Page and did Lake Powell, Antelope Slot canyon, etc. Then we headed to the Grand Canyon for a night and ended our trip in Sedona. Our next family vacation is to do more what you are mentioning -- the Southern Utah national parks.

As a previous poster stated, it will be hot. I would suggest if you go in the summer to do it as soon as school is out. And you do want to get the hotel reservations going soon. Many of the towns around the national parks are small and have only a few hotels. Also, I would stay in the Grand Canyon as well -- it can get very crowed during the day with all the tour buses and when that clears out and you can just enjoy.

The kids will love the Junior Ranger programs at the National Parks -- every park has one, usually free sometimes a couple of bucks. The kids fill out age applicable pages with info on the park, and receive a badge when they are done. A great souveniour. I liked it because it kept them busy enough that I got to see and read all the cool information about the area.

I also like using the nps.gov site to check out their ranger led programs. Usually they are free and I find getting the info first hand really makes me understand and appreciate an area more. The Grand Canyon had TONS of programs from 10 minutes to 2 hours.

I don't know how much time you have, but if you could hit the Lake Powell area I think you would find tons to do. They have river float rides on the Colorado River or Boat rides to explore Lake Powell. I thought the area was so cool. If you have 10 -14 days people tend to do what's know as the Grand Canyon Loop. Moab is also an area you will read a lot about on the loop. Again, check our Tripadvisor and they will have tons of travel plans to compare.

Have a great time!
 

We did this trip a few years ago and LOVED it!!

We flew into Vegas. Got landed around 10:30am Vegas time so we had the whole day to explore Vegas (it was more then enough for our kids) We got up and headed to the Grand Canyon the next day. We did not take the time to explore Hoover Dam, just stopped to look at it.
We did however stop to see the Grand Canyon Caverns which is in Peach Springs and that was REALLY cool.
We spent two days at GC we stayed at Kachina Lodge which is right on the rim.. totally worth it!!
We then drove to Page AZ to see Antelope Canyon...again VERY, VERY COOL!!

From there we went to Bryce for an overnight, then went to Zion for one night. We drove back to Vegas and flew out the next morning.
It was a GREAT trip and we still talk about it.
I second the tripadvisor site. Is is like the disboards of the Grand Canyon!!
 
A couple more thoughts:

We went in July. As stated the weather was 80s (very comfortable) at the GC but other parts of AZ were very hot - This was part of a month long vacation for us so we had to go while the kids were out of school. If you don't have school schedules to work around try going at an off peak time. .My parents went in November they wore Jeans and Sweatshirts and totally enjoyed themselves. Despite being in AZ be aware that they do get snow in the winter.

Before going read Death in the Grand Canyon. It will totally prepare you for what not to do while there. :scared1:

If you are going to more than one National Park do buy the National Parks Pass. It costs just over $50. We went to 8 National Parks and it more than paid for itself after just three parks. It's good from one year from the date you activate it and is good for the whole family. But you don't need it if you are staying in the park.

If you do decide you want to stay at one of the GC park hotels book well in advance - now would be a good time if going next summer. Last minute reservations are harder to get that POP during free dining :eek: You can always cancel if you decide to stay somewhere else.

I second the NPS site. Lots and lots of information.

For the GC itself unless you are planning on doing extensive hiking 2 or 3 days is sufficient. We arrived mid-day, spent a second full day hiking the Rim and exploring the area, then another half day exploring on our way out of the park.

For the surrounding areas you could spend a 1/2 a day to a day each at the different places. The driving times between are what limit what you can do. It's about 5 hours of drive time from the Hoover Dam to the South Rim.
 
I just did the helicopter ride, leaving from Las Vegas, to the Grand Canyon. This was a few weeks ago, the temp that day in Las Vegas was 112. The helicopter is not air conditioned, it does circulate air, but it was hot. The ride was $550 per person but this is a company that actually drops down into the Canyon-we landed and had lunch in the Canyon); some of them just fly quite a bit above and are cheaper.

The bridge for Hoover Dam is not yet complete but should be complete by next summer. All of the support work is up now but the actual road part of the bridge is not yet done. I have not done the inside tour since 9/11, when it changed, but it was certainly great before that. This year, it was 114 the day we were on the Dam and even though I live in this heat, I was glad to leave the dam that day.
 
My kids loved the Natural Rock Water Slide park and the Indian ruins around such as Montazuma around the area. We all enjoyed the jeep ride throught he canyon and would highly recommend making time for Sedona -it was one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen!
 
thank you so much for all of this wonderful information!! Also, 3boymtrh, those are wonderful pictures! You answered one of my questions, which is "are there any descent trails that my kiddos can handle?" guess the answer is yes.

I think the hardest things is trying to figure out an itinerary. I can't wrap my mind around how large this area really is. At Disney, the worst thing that can happen is you plan dining reservations for a park, and have to take an additional hour to get there. Here, if I make a dinner reservation at the South Rim, I need to make sure we are AT THE SOUTH RIM. uhhhhh...This is harder than Disney planning, believe it or not (but just as fun ;))
 
I second trip advisor! Its a fabulous forum but be aware they will tell you, you need more time than you will have to take in the sites. We did Sedona, GC, Zion, and Las vegas a year ago (w/ Dland thrown it too). My kids (at the time 1,8, and 6)absolutely loved it. They would rank the places: Vegas, Zion, Sedona, and then way at the bottom Grand Canyon.

I definitely recommend doing Zion if you're flying into Vegas. Its only about 2.5 hours from there and is absolutely beautiful. We stayed at the Desert Pearl Inn and are planning on going back there next summer. We absolutely loved the hotel with the view of the rocks and Virgin River.

In GC we stayed in the park at one of the motels. I can't remember which one it was but it was clean with no frills. Did the job just fine and was a great place for the boys to be able to do night hikes.
 
Hi, I did the Adventures by Disney Southwest Splendors trip that included the Grand Canyon. DD11 loved it! It would be easy to do on your own as well.

Staying in the GCNPark itself is a definite plus, although I'd try to stay somewhere other than the Thunderbird Lodge, where Disney put us.

There are some fun books aimed at your kids' ages that include adventures in the Grand Canyon. The Scorpion's Tail and Over the Edge are two that DD really enjoyed. Over the Edge had a subplot about saving the California Condors from extinction that really got her interested in these birds. There is a lot of info about them at the GC, and you can catch sight of them if you are lucky. There is a ranger talk, etc, that she loved.

We did a few pre trip days hiking in Sedona, and I agree with amyup, we all loved that even more than the GC.

We have also taken DD to Vegas and it is a great kid place, believe it or not. She loved the lion habitat at MGM, and the carnival games at Circus, Circus. Also, she was in a huge Egypt phase then and loved visiting the recreation of Tut's tomb at the Luxor.

You will have a great trip!
 
I'm going to recommend something different: The NORTH RIM.

My family visited the North Rim over July 4, and it was incredible. It's much less crowded than the South Rim, and it's a little cooler too. Because we were there over the 4th, every cabin was full -- probably much of the campground too -- and it felt "full" but not really crowded. Unlike the South Rim, you 're allowed to drive your own car around, and you won't have the parking problems that you'd have at the South Rim. You can get a mule ride, even if you haven't made a reservation, and they have a fun evening cookout.

The Grand Canyon Lodge itself is quite incredible. Built of stone right into the hillside, the lodge is dark, historic, and just plain beautiful. It contains nice restaurant, a reasonably-priced deli (large pizza for $17, hot dogs for $2, etc), a bar, and a gift shop. It also contains a lovely sitting room and large stone terraces overlooking the canyon. Be sure to go into the "basement" moon room; it's nice too. Steps from the lodge is a small museum and another gift shop.

Every evening around sunset people begin to congregate on the two terraces, and wait staff comes around selling adult beverages. Because it's chilly -- even in July -- the staff lights a fire in the GIANT fireplace, and people sit out for a long time.

On the 4th, they held a parade, which was quite the highlight for my kids. They brought out about 20 industrial-sized trash cans, bungee corded them together, and filled them with water. They put out water guns and super soakers, and every one began a massive water fight. 30 minutes later, the parade began. Notice I didn't say the water fight stopped; instead, people in the parade -- rangers, maintenance folks, mule wranglers, etc. -- were armed and shot back at the crowd. There was no saying which group "won" the water battle, but my girls were beyond thrilled with the event.

Like all national parks, you'll find wonderful ranger-led programs -- most of them free -- and a great junior ranger program.

The cabins at the North Rim look like little Lincoln Log huts. Very cute! We had a mid-range cabin, which was called a Pioneer Cabin. These are two rooms joined by a bathroom. My husband and I had a queen-sized bed (very good bed, actually), a bench, and a refrigerator in our room; our girls had a slightly larger room with a set of very sturdy bunks and a futon. Their room also contained a sink and a writing desk. The girls announced that their room "owns" -- I think that was good. The bathroom was small but functional, and contained only a shower, no tub. Ample towels, good water pressure. Maid service was prompt, even though they dragged clean sheets and cleaning supplies in big carts. No TV, no air conditioning, though the temperature was quite comfortable in the dark, cool cabins, and during the night I was even glad for the blanket (again, we visited July 4).

The park also has newer, nicer cabins called Western Cabins, which have porches and fireplaces. I would've liked to have had one've those rooms, but they were all ONE ROOM cabins, and with two teens, privacy trumps luxury. The park also has very basic, rustic cabins called Frontier Cabins; I know nothing about them.

One thing I would not do again is pay extra for a rim-side Pioneer. Yes, our cabin WAS right on the rim. It was also as far as possible from the parking lot, and it was straight downhill! Getting our cooler and snacky foods there wasn't exactly easy. This would've been worthwhile IF we'd had a nice porch on which to sit and take in the view, but we didn't. The view was blocked by trees. If I went back with just my husband, I"d love to have one of the rim-side Western cabins, and I would sit for hours on the porch overlooking the canyon. But if I go back again and want a two-room Pioneer cabin, I'll try to get a LOW NUMBERED cabin because those are closer to the lodge. On the positive side, our cabin was incredibly private.

The North Rim is close to NOTHING. You go there for the quiet solitude, the lovely views, the wildlife, and the park itself. It is not reasonable to think you can drive out of the park for a quick lunch; going to eat outside the park would likely be a two-hour round-trip drive. Once you're in the park, plan to stay there. You also won't have internet or phone service inside the park.

I'd say that a 2-3 night stay at the North Rim would be PERFECT. That's just enough time to get yourself settled, ride mules one day, hike one day, enjoy the evening cookout, and just relax as a family. With your family's configuration, I would suggest that you try to snag one of the prime rim-view Western cabins for your parents (so you can all enjoy the lovely porch with the fantastic view), and get a two-room Pioneer for yourself and the kids. Though the two-room Pioneer does sleep six, I could not recommend six people sharing that tiny bathroom.

One negative: While we were there, a large tour group from ElderHostel took up many of the cabins, and they were among the rudest, most me-first tourists I've ever seen. Loud, crude, and determined to ignore everyone else in the park, they are not the typical friendly types you usually meet in the national parks. At the worst, I saw a HUGE group of them, including plenty of adults old enough to have better manners, push in front of a woman in a wheelchair who'd been waiting her turn to ride the train to the cookout. I hope never to encounter their like again.
 












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