Goofmeister
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In the grand tradition of procrastination, I have finally put some serious thought into finishing this trip report. I had grand plans of having this done whilst it was fresh in my memory. I was going to take notes. I was not going to wait over a year later (like I did with the last report). I was however kidding myself. I am a professional, do not try this at home.
The prequel
You probably dont know this, but I have an unusual compulsion. If you are reading this, you probably know what Im talking about and you share this particular malady. Im a Disney planner. The first step with any addiction is to admit you have a problem. Ok here goes you have a problem. Me? Why Im just fine the way I am. Thank you very much for keeping your nose out of my business.
Secondly, I like trip reports. Mainly reading them, but I have written one. Which at the time I thought that it would be my one and only. I would liken it to childbirth, except I know that it is nothing like childbirth other than it was a long and difficult labor. And like any parent I am proud of my trip report child and would like to continue the progeny despite what I know will be a long and difficult labor. I have noticed, unlike my real children, that the trip report doesnt talk back, whine, or pick on its little brother. Of course it doesnt run to the door screaming Daddy and hug me profusely either. In fact, now that I think about it that TR child is a little ungrateful wretch. Of course you can make up your own mind by purusing either MousePlanet or the DIS. (insert shameless plea)
Which leads us to this inevitable prologue, the Pre-Trip report. Since we know each other so well, snuggle up, get cozy, this could be a long one.
Cast Introductions
We are introducing a new character to the clan, and for the sake of argument we will call him Ryan. Dont bother arguing that is in fact his real name, and he will be fifteen months old at the time of the trip. He is a Disney-o-phite in training. The fact that he is a boy, that he can have a temper, and that he is an explorer will be the biggest wild cards of the trip. I think that our real challenge will be keeping him entertained while waiting. He is quite sweet, and is stricken by Buzz. It helps that he also likes Rollie-Pollie-Olie, Bear, and Pooh. He also loves water, and being outside which is a good thing for trips to WDW.
Back again, for their third trips are my daughter Samantha and my wife Angie. Samantha is a great kid with a great big heart. She likes the princesses, but is over the moon for Kim Possible. We are a little disappointed that her interest in the princesses is waning. But we are holding out that when we are at WDW the magic will take root. At two months shy of six she is finally tall enough to do some of the thrill rides. She isnt afraid of heights or speed, but isnt happy about dark and spooky things.
Angie, well nothing I can say here will ever do her justice. Shes the love of my life, my best friend, and a wonderful Mother. Weve been married almost ten years, but weve been together almost fourteen. She is passionate about her family, protective of her children, and a Disney guru. I think she is torn between seeing Samantha experience new things, and watching Ryan take it all in for the first time. She is thrilled to be taking a vacation with just us. Of course I feel the same way. Maybe thats why we are so good together?
We already know each other, but I think a more formal introduction would be helpful. I am Sam. Sam I am. I like to plan. Plan. Plan. Plan. Plan. I do not like to wait and stand. I do not like it, not one little bit. I also go by Goofmeister on the DIS. I spend a lot of time reading about Disney, and absorbing as many facts as I can retain. Id really like to work for Imagineering, but I have a realistic outlook on the whole process. (But that doesnt stop me from sending in my resumes).
The Plan, part 1 which Resort?
I always start with a simple plan, go to Disney soon. (And soon meant fall 2004) The more I know about planning, the harder it gets. For example, I agonized over what specific month, October or November. November was value season, but Jersey week, Veterans Day and Thanksgiving really chop up a good stay. Then there was this nagging doubt about taking Samantha out of Kindergarten for seven days. October on the other hand is the more expensive regular season, and has higher crowds, but Samantha has a fall break mid month so shed miss fewer days. Contrastingly, on our first trip I was only concerned about which month would have the best weather. Ah, those simple naïve days, how I long for the carefree unfettered youth.
We ended up making reservations for ASMo over Samanthas fall break in October. But then I got worried about Floridians being on fall break at the same time. I rationalized that November was value season so lower prices and hopefully fewer crowds won out. So despite the less than perfect situation we changed our reservations. Ive found that once Ive made a reservation, I cant leave it alone until its been changed at least four times. Accordingly, we switched to the AKL. For about two months we were very excited about AKL. It would be a new resort for us, the kids would love the animals, and it is a very popular place. But, it wasnt the WL, and it was a lot more expensive than ASMo. Then one day Angie asked me why exactly were we staying at the AKL. I gave her the usual spiel about the animals, the pool, but in the end I didnt really know why we had settled on AKL. It turns out that we liked the idea of staying there, but not to actually stay there. Then of course there was that little nagging doubt about Samantha missing school to deal with. Then the 2004 school calendar came out, and guess what?
Go ahead guess!
Fine! The dates for her fall break were a week later than we thought, so wed avoid the dreaded Columbus Day weekend. However, now we didnt know if wed drive or fly.
Which pretty much brings us up to today. The day the October hours came out (sort of). Ive found myself checking two threads on the DIS over and over. One is about when October hours will come out, and the other is about Fall AP rates. I need the October hours to finish my itinerary. I need an AP discount to stay at the WL. The hours are out, but not on Disneys web site. This is amazing to me. Here you have this large company able to produce stage shows, films, and fantastically entertaining attractions, but they cant get a simple thing like park hours up on their web site. The whole DIS community will know the hours before Disney gets around to posting them. Oh, and the AP thing is not going well either. We all know that there are limited discounted rooms right? Disney decided to send special PIN code only rates to random people, and I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I am trying to give them more money, but they wont let me. And to add insult to injury youre letting everyone else get my room!
We will most likely staying at ASMo from 10/17-10/25/04. But I am hoping for a great AP rate so that we can stay at the Lodge.
The Plan, part 2 Travel?
Well, we are almost certainly going to drive. But, if we get great non-stop airfare, we will almost certainly drive. We have a very specific need more days at Disney. However, we have a baby and another trip in December to think about. Heres the deal; I cant quit checking airfare. Im not sure what Id do if I found the perfect flight. I know we wouldnt book it, but I cant let the idea of a good deal pass me by unnoticed. I think if the fares dont go down, then our plan to drive is wholly justified.
Driving it sure might be first through Dallas, Shreveport, and then a night in Natchitoches. We will be up early the next day, and because we couldnt get a hotel within an hour of Tallahassee, we will stop in Marianna, FL. On the third day we will return to our second home, the All-Star Wilderness Lodge Movie Resort.
The Stroller Nightmare.
Since most of you are sound asleep by now My wife had a nightmare about our new stroller. Whatever negotiating skills I think I have cannot compete with those of my daughter. Of course she doesnt play fair, and is quick to pull out every emotional trick in her arsenal. Samantha loves her baby brother. The closer she is to him the better. Which is a good thing. Of course this meant she wanted a double stroller, a side by side stroller to boot. We did not. She needs a stroller for Disney. We are wise enough to know that her little legs could do it, but the whining would kill us. Unfortunately, Ryans current stroller is too massive to take to the parks, and we wanted something compact. Our idea was two lightweight umbrellas, think inexpensive, and maneuverable. Samantha wanted to be close to her brother because she loves him so so so so so so much. We werent so sure. Hey, what about a light weight double seated speckled umbrella stroller? What a great idea! And after quite a bit of searching I came across one made by Schwinn. The Schwinn SUV double umbrella stroller to be exact. SUV shouldve tipped us off. It wasnt exactly cheap, but I had read good things about it from actual WDW veterans in the trenches. I ordered it, and when it came well, it wasnt light, cheap or maneuverable. It was bigger than we thought it would be, but when folded it is very compact. At least it had two reclining seats, and it was better that our old one. Angies nightmare went something like this:
It was an early morning and we were running a little late for our PS at CRT. However, we couldnt get down the hallway because the stroller was too wide, and either we couldnt get around anybody or the stroller was hung up on something. At the bus stop people were complaining that the huge stroller was going to take up too much room. We could barely get the thing off the bus because it was so heavy, and it wouldnt go through the gates. Then we ended up missing our PS because we couldnt get down Main Street.
So, I expect the beast to be a comedy of errors. Please watch your shins and toes. Im so so so so so sorry.
The Plan, part 3 The Itinerary?
I could go on for days about the various park scenarios that we, um I, came up with. Literally, there were spreadsheets full of times dates and parks. I got so desperate I joined Tour Guide Mikes online guidebook for even more secret tips. Im a little afraid to say anything because of the secrecy agreement with TGM. In fact, I may have said too much already. So to spare you all the gory details here are just the must-dos of this trip.
Chef Mickeys when we arrive. Its a tradition, and a great way to kick off our vacation.
Magic Kingdom on Monday. I know its a bad idea, everyone does it. But we have to see the castle right away.
Cinderellas Royal Table. Already got more PSs than we can use. (Hint one day soon well announce we are canceling one of them)
October 20, MNNSHP.
Spectromagic and Wishes.
Illuminations.
We will hit the Food and Wine Festival, and tackle new rides (for us) in all the parks. Swimming and skipping around on water mice will also be fun. We hope to work in a water park this time around.
We are probably going to skip Fantasmic. So there will be more room for you.
Thats it in a Nutshell.
See you in October, Sam.
The prequel
You probably dont know this, but I have an unusual compulsion. If you are reading this, you probably know what Im talking about and you share this particular malady. Im a Disney planner. The first step with any addiction is to admit you have a problem. Ok here goes you have a problem. Me? Why Im just fine the way I am. Thank you very much for keeping your nose out of my business.
Secondly, I like trip reports. Mainly reading them, but I have written one. Which at the time I thought that it would be my one and only. I would liken it to childbirth, except I know that it is nothing like childbirth other than it was a long and difficult labor. And like any parent I am proud of my trip report child and would like to continue the progeny despite what I know will be a long and difficult labor. I have noticed, unlike my real children, that the trip report doesnt talk back, whine, or pick on its little brother. Of course it doesnt run to the door screaming Daddy and hug me profusely either. In fact, now that I think about it that TR child is a little ungrateful wretch. Of course you can make up your own mind by purusing either MousePlanet or the DIS. (insert shameless plea)
Which leads us to this inevitable prologue, the Pre-Trip report. Since we know each other so well, snuggle up, get cozy, this could be a long one.
Cast Introductions
We are introducing a new character to the clan, and for the sake of argument we will call him Ryan. Dont bother arguing that is in fact his real name, and he will be fifteen months old at the time of the trip. He is a Disney-o-phite in training. The fact that he is a boy, that he can have a temper, and that he is an explorer will be the biggest wild cards of the trip. I think that our real challenge will be keeping him entertained while waiting. He is quite sweet, and is stricken by Buzz. It helps that he also likes Rollie-Pollie-Olie, Bear, and Pooh. He also loves water, and being outside which is a good thing for trips to WDW.
Back again, for their third trips are my daughter Samantha and my wife Angie. Samantha is a great kid with a great big heart. She likes the princesses, but is over the moon for Kim Possible. We are a little disappointed that her interest in the princesses is waning. But we are holding out that when we are at WDW the magic will take root. At two months shy of six she is finally tall enough to do some of the thrill rides. She isnt afraid of heights or speed, but isnt happy about dark and spooky things.
Angie, well nothing I can say here will ever do her justice. Shes the love of my life, my best friend, and a wonderful Mother. Weve been married almost ten years, but weve been together almost fourteen. She is passionate about her family, protective of her children, and a Disney guru. I think she is torn between seeing Samantha experience new things, and watching Ryan take it all in for the first time. She is thrilled to be taking a vacation with just us. Of course I feel the same way. Maybe thats why we are so good together?
We already know each other, but I think a more formal introduction would be helpful. I am Sam. Sam I am. I like to plan. Plan. Plan. Plan. Plan. I do not like to wait and stand. I do not like it, not one little bit. I also go by Goofmeister on the DIS. I spend a lot of time reading about Disney, and absorbing as many facts as I can retain. Id really like to work for Imagineering, but I have a realistic outlook on the whole process. (But that doesnt stop me from sending in my resumes).
The Plan, part 1 which Resort?
I always start with a simple plan, go to Disney soon. (And soon meant fall 2004) The more I know about planning, the harder it gets. For example, I agonized over what specific month, October or November. November was value season, but Jersey week, Veterans Day and Thanksgiving really chop up a good stay. Then there was this nagging doubt about taking Samantha out of Kindergarten for seven days. October on the other hand is the more expensive regular season, and has higher crowds, but Samantha has a fall break mid month so shed miss fewer days. Contrastingly, on our first trip I was only concerned about which month would have the best weather. Ah, those simple naïve days, how I long for the carefree unfettered youth.
We ended up making reservations for ASMo over Samanthas fall break in October. But then I got worried about Floridians being on fall break at the same time. I rationalized that November was value season so lower prices and hopefully fewer crowds won out. So despite the less than perfect situation we changed our reservations. Ive found that once Ive made a reservation, I cant leave it alone until its been changed at least four times. Accordingly, we switched to the AKL. For about two months we were very excited about AKL. It would be a new resort for us, the kids would love the animals, and it is a very popular place. But, it wasnt the WL, and it was a lot more expensive than ASMo. Then one day Angie asked me why exactly were we staying at the AKL. I gave her the usual spiel about the animals, the pool, but in the end I didnt really know why we had settled on AKL. It turns out that we liked the idea of staying there, but not to actually stay there. Then of course there was that little nagging doubt about Samantha missing school to deal with. Then the 2004 school calendar came out, and guess what?
Go ahead guess!
Fine! The dates for her fall break were a week later than we thought, so wed avoid the dreaded Columbus Day weekend. However, now we didnt know if wed drive or fly.
Which pretty much brings us up to today. The day the October hours came out (sort of). Ive found myself checking two threads on the DIS over and over. One is about when October hours will come out, and the other is about Fall AP rates. I need the October hours to finish my itinerary. I need an AP discount to stay at the WL. The hours are out, but not on Disneys web site. This is amazing to me. Here you have this large company able to produce stage shows, films, and fantastically entertaining attractions, but they cant get a simple thing like park hours up on their web site. The whole DIS community will know the hours before Disney gets around to posting them. Oh, and the AP thing is not going well either. We all know that there are limited discounted rooms right? Disney decided to send special PIN code only rates to random people, and I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I am trying to give them more money, but they wont let me. And to add insult to injury youre letting everyone else get my room!
We will most likely staying at ASMo from 10/17-10/25/04. But I am hoping for a great AP rate so that we can stay at the Lodge.
The Plan, part 2 Travel?
Well, we are almost certainly going to drive. But, if we get great non-stop airfare, we will almost certainly drive. We have a very specific need more days at Disney. However, we have a baby and another trip in December to think about. Heres the deal; I cant quit checking airfare. Im not sure what Id do if I found the perfect flight. I know we wouldnt book it, but I cant let the idea of a good deal pass me by unnoticed. I think if the fares dont go down, then our plan to drive is wholly justified.
Driving it sure might be first through Dallas, Shreveport, and then a night in Natchitoches. We will be up early the next day, and because we couldnt get a hotel within an hour of Tallahassee, we will stop in Marianna, FL. On the third day we will return to our second home, the All-Star Wilderness Lodge Movie Resort.
The Stroller Nightmare.
Since most of you are sound asleep by now My wife had a nightmare about our new stroller. Whatever negotiating skills I think I have cannot compete with those of my daughter. Of course she doesnt play fair, and is quick to pull out every emotional trick in her arsenal. Samantha loves her baby brother. The closer she is to him the better. Which is a good thing. Of course this meant she wanted a double stroller, a side by side stroller to boot. We did not. She needs a stroller for Disney. We are wise enough to know that her little legs could do it, but the whining would kill us. Unfortunately, Ryans current stroller is too massive to take to the parks, and we wanted something compact. Our idea was two lightweight umbrellas, think inexpensive, and maneuverable. Samantha wanted to be close to her brother because she loves him so so so so so so much. We werent so sure. Hey, what about a light weight double seated speckled umbrella stroller? What a great idea! And after quite a bit of searching I came across one made by Schwinn. The Schwinn SUV double umbrella stroller to be exact. SUV shouldve tipped us off. It wasnt exactly cheap, but I had read good things about it from actual WDW veterans in the trenches. I ordered it, and when it came well, it wasnt light, cheap or maneuverable. It was bigger than we thought it would be, but when folded it is very compact. At least it had two reclining seats, and it was better that our old one. Angies nightmare went something like this:
It was an early morning and we were running a little late for our PS at CRT. However, we couldnt get down the hallway because the stroller was too wide, and either we couldnt get around anybody or the stroller was hung up on something. At the bus stop people were complaining that the huge stroller was going to take up too much room. We could barely get the thing off the bus because it was so heavy, and it wouldnt go through the gates. Then we ended up missing our PS because we couldnt get down Main Street.
So, I expect the beast to be a comedy of errors. Please watch your shins and toes. Im so so so so so sorry.
The Plan, part 3 The Itinerary?
I could go on for days about the various park scenarios that we, um I, came up with. Literally, there were spreadsheets full of times dates and parks. I got so desperate I joined Tour Guide Mikes online guidebook for even more secret tips. Im a little afraid to say anything because of the secrecy agreement with TGM. In fact, I may have said too much already. So to spare you all the gory details here are just the must-dos of this trip.
Chef Mickeys when we arrive. Its a tradition, and a great way to kick off our vacation.
Magic Kingdom on Monday. I know its a bad idea, everyone does it. But we have to see the castle right away.
Cinderellas Royal Table. Already got more PSs than we can use. (Hint one day soon well announce we are canceling one of them)
October 20, MNNSHP.
Spectromagic and Wishes.
Illuminations.
We will hit the Food and Wine Festival, and tackle new rides (for us) in all the parks. Swimming and skipping around on water mice will also be fun. We hope to work in a water park this time around.
We are probably going to skip Fantasmic. So there will be more room for you.
Thats it in a Nutshell.
See you in October, Sam.