Good news for SSR fans

I think what people are objecting to is the imflammatory language like, lousy, inferior, etc. It really isn't necessary to use such strong language to get you opinion across. After all, it is just an opinion not fact. People have just plunked down 13K plus. Have a little respect. Why make them feel bad?

All the resorts are great. As I've said before, if they were all the same then they wouldn't appeal to so many different people. I for one try to stay positive or I don't say anything at all.
 
PAcricket says : 2) Stingy Trash & Towel Service. I expected trash & towel service only & had researched what was provided & not, but was surprised that it was as limited as it was (i.e., there were some paper towels still, so no new ones were left).
Well, I've heard experiences of this happening at just about every DVC resort. I don't see how this is unique to SSR ? All one has to do is give mousekeeping a call and they'll bring down whatever you need---this has been my experience.


While there are restaurants available at Downtown Disney, I don’t think it’s practical for a family to trek over there after a day in the parks. The wait at those restaurants is also an issue with tired & hungry kids. If I were going to load kids into the car for dinner,
Not practical for families ? First of all, families with children would most likely not be eating dinner after the parks close. They're probably going to take a break in the late afternoon/early evening, go back to SSR and take the bus or boat over----or choose to walk. Why have to load them into the car ?
From what I've been reading on the DIS, it's not going to take longer than 10-20 min to get to DD from SSR. This factors in waiting time for bus/boat, as well as walk times. I don't think that's bad at all. Wait time at the DD restaurants ? We had a 30 min wait at Cape May Cafe one time and we HAD PS ! One time we went to Cape May Cafe with no PS and had a 90 min wait ? So I don't necessarily see how the DD restaurants are any different ? Why wouldn't these families staying at SSR just make PS at the DD restaurant of their choice as with any other DVC location ?

PAcricket says : Buses are the single transportation option for most people, if you don’t rent a car. Boat transportation is at one end of the resort & only an option for the limited number of people close to that end. The walk to Downtown Disney from our Congress Park room was shorter than the walk to the boat dock from our room. We walked some combo from/to DD and our room 3 times in one week & I wouldn’t walk it more than that.
As Tjkraz pointed out....just use the internal bus transportation to get to the boat. As for the walk ? Why is it repeatedly such a perk for BCV/BWV Members to walk back and forth to Epcot and MGM, yet walking at SSR or OKW is such a "l-o-n-g" walk ? I stayed at BWV in '03. Took us from our room one-way 15 min to get to Epcot and 20-25 to get to MGM one-way. It just seems strange that walking is a plus from BWV/BCV and a real downer when discussing distance to main lobby or DD (or whatever) from SSR/OKW ? A walk is a walk. WDW vacations involve alot of walking, but luckily the resorts offer other options. SSR offers both boat and bus (in addition to the walk) to DD. I'd say this is more than adequate.


There was a night at MGK when no bus came to the SSR stop for more than 25 minutes & someone in line had to go have park personnel call for a bus to be sent. Also, be aware that the bus from DD to Saratoga Springs, first goes to Pleasure Island & DD Westside before the stops at SSR.
This is all very helpful info, but I've had trouble with transportation all over WDW. Particular nightmare experiences at WL (waited 45 min for an MGM bus on "early morning entry). We got in our car at the 45 min mark (there had to be like 40+ people waiting to go to MGM).....even as we were driving away from the WL we still did not see any MGM bus coming up the drive. We ended up missing most of the EMH there. Also had bus woes at POR---late to MVMCP because the MK took forever to get there (maybe 40-45 min). Long bus waits at certain times on certain days. Also, busses from some other resorts go to other stops first as well.

After reading other reviews, I would agree that the Bell Service was very “relaxed.” When we arrived early Saturday morning, there was no one in bell services. The person who checked us in, directed us out to our car parked in the main check-in circle. Several minutes later, he came out, followed later by someone else to take our bags from our car. Our friends arrived very late Saturday night (3 kids, Mom & Dad in a wheelchair) who were met with a “slight attitude” according to my laid back friend when they opted not to have their room keys have the charge card function
We've had bell service delays/problems at BWV as well. They seemed very stressed/understaffed. Waited an hour to have our bags taken down to our car upon check-out. Lost an hour of travel time. There was a delay checking in as well. Didn't find the front desk there to be particular warm either. We checked in during the height of a big thunderstorm, so this may have impacted the moods of the check-in CM's. We couldn't even get our key card to our room for a couple of hours because the key maker was down due to the storm. The bellhop let us in to our room but someone had to stay there at all times until we could obtain a key. I could understand this happening, but the CM checking us in was not particularily gracious about it. She seemed a little moody---perhaps some guests were giving her trouble about it ?

But my point with these two examples you gave was that things happen ? Incidents as you mentioned can occur at any resort. No resort is perfect.
 
(Due credit, here- SSR still shows classic cartoons instead of the Disney channel, which is what you get at BC.)

FWIW, a few weeks ago in May the BC lobby was showing classic disney cartoons (chip and dale and donald duck the couple of times I went through there), not the disney channel. YMMV.
 
Mississippian said:
But 800 of these units is overkill and devalues the product.

Just out of curiosity, what is your objective measure for making this statement?

DVC has raised their prices from a base of $89 when SSR went on sale less than two years ago to $98 come Monday. Resale prices have also increased over that period...yes, OKW included.

In fact, given the wide range of resale prices, from VB in the $60s to BCV in the $80s, there's little evidence to suggest that the "value" of a resort's points is in any way related to the other resorts in the program. VB points sell in the $60s due to supply and demand--not owner concern over SSR.
 

IMO, DVC should have made the SSR rooms a little larger than BWV, VWL and BCV. Instead they followed the cookie cutter design used after OKW, Vero and HH. They had a lot of space to build there and chose to cram as many DVCers into the space as possible. Larger units would have made SSR slightly more attractive for our family. We will always choose OKW over SSR if we want the "offsite DVC feel" while staying on the property. SSR has the "stack'um-up" feel of a Disney hotel resort without the proximity to the major WDW ammenities...the parks. With little kids, we don't view DTD as an entertainment option...at least yet. For us, the "stack'um up" is the trade we make at VWL and BCV for easy park access. Additionally, we don't like the DTD location of SSR; to us it feels like an extension of hotel row.
 
I agree with Johnnie that they should have made SSR accommodations larger units.
 
d-r said:
FWIW, a few weeks ago in May the BC lobby was showing classic disney cartoons (chip and dale and donald duck the couple of times I went through there), not the disney channel. YMMV.

I'm really glad to hear that! This is one of those little things that is so attractive to me about staying on site. Seeing Disney Channel instead always got my goat.

What I really like best is what they (used to?) do at WL- they show movies. One night I went down late to check my charge balance and ending sitting and watching Mary Poppins for about an hour. (I know, I'm a hopeless geek ;) ) I hope they haven't changed that. Didn't think to look when we were there for Whispering Canyon this trip.
 
dianeschlicht said:
I agree with Johnnie that they should have made SSR accommodations larger units.


I agree with this also. It seems similar to OKW as far as the parking near the units and the spread out "condo" feel. Why did they make the units the same size as the "hotel" type resorts (BWV,BCV,VWL)?

I admit our family likes hotels and that's one of the reasons we bought BWV. If a family like ours gives up the "hotel" inside hallways, the hotel ammenties, dinning choices, proximity to the parks (things that matter just to US), at OKW at least we would get the really large rooms. You also get a full service restaurant at OKW and pay less points. Also, a lot of people LOVE OKW. To the poster who said so many contracts are available, I really think it has to do with the size of the resort and the vacation habits of original purchasers changing (divorce, death, retirement, etc). Our close freinds bought BCV because that is what DVC was selling and ONLY ever stay at OKW. They hate the "hotel" feel to BCV. It's funny to us, because that's what we like. I have never stayed at OKW and we don't plan to anytime in the near future (next 3trips), but I can understand why people love it the way they do.

I think SSR would have a fan base MUCH bigger than it already does if it had villas the size of OKW. This is just my opinion, so don't get upset SSR fans! :)
 
I just fowarded this entire thread to the disney board and they are actually going to discuss this at a meeting on Tuesday...........apparently there are some things that are going to be modified in the SSR grand plan I was told...........being a longtime and large shareholder has its benefits..........I went to the Shareholder meeting and asked about DVC three times and i was invited to Orlando to talk candidly about the DVC product with the decision makers for 4 hours in April..............they hear what many are saying..........but SSR remains very hot and is seeling better than projections, contrary to what this thread would suggest...............just a little FYI.
 
PAcricket says : 2) Stingy Trash & Towel Service. I expected trash & towel service only & had researched what was provided & not, but was surprised that it was as limited as it was (i.e., there were some paper towels still, so no new ones were left).

Just a comment. As members, we pay for these paper towels. I am glad they leave the used roll and not replace it with a new one each time.

I hope this thread does not turn into another resort bashing thread :rolleyes: .
 
Muushka said:
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I hope this thread does not turn into another resort bashing thread :rolleyes: .

Oops. wrong thread. I think it's too late for this one. I was thinking that this was the thread with the "Which resort do you least like?"

I still stick with my paper towel comment though :flower: .
 
Mississippian said:
If you look at the resale market, you can easily tell what people want in a DVC membership. They want to be close to Epcot or the Magic Kingdom. They want to have great dining and nightlife options.

The resale market doesn't lead to this conclusion. There a too many confounding variables. Explaining this to some on this board would be like explaining to my 16YO why the world doesn't revolve around her.


:earsboy: :earsboy:

Someone made the comment that the majority of people want to stay close to the MK or a park. That's not true. The majority of people in this country don't even want to go to WDW. Just ask around.

I would agree that most one time visitors would like to stay on the monorail. But I don't think that's necesarily true for frequent visitors. There are lots of people NOT LIKE YOU. :confused3 Go figure. :rolleyes: Personally, I don't understand why anyone would go to WDW during snow skiing season. But I know it takes all kinds. If you can understand that.
 
We just returned from our visit to SSR and LOVE it - what some people find too spread out and hard to get to we found extremely peaceful and relaxing. It only took 5 minutes to walk to the main pool from our unit in Congress. The pool was great, DH LOVED the slide, better than CBR, AKL, and Coronado (those are our only comparisons to date). We love the zero entry pool also. Artist's Palette, although lacking in choices, has delicious flatbread specialties and sandwiches. The lobby - we thought it was spacious and calming rather than huge and empty. Had bell service immediately. The walk to DTD took 7 minutes - that's to get to Cirque and yes we timed it. :) We are a family with a 7 year old and I have a bad foot so we're not the most mobile but we had no problems. Overall an excellent experience and I wouldn't hestitate to recommend to anyone!

I'm sorry to hear that some people have had bad experiences and that SSR didn't live up to their expectations. I just to had to post because we found it incredibly wonderful and relaxing and it enhanced our WDW experience.
 
MiaSRN62 said:
Less units available maybe ? OKW has so many more units and it's Members are generally older (having purchased back in '91). Thinking alot of those older OKW owners are venturing out or just simply not utilizing their points due to lifestyle changes. Also, I feel people naturally want to try a newer resort to see what it's like. DVC makes it so easy to do this.
200 people reserving 200 units is the same demand as 500 reserving 500 units. The size of a resort will make NO difference if the exact same percentage ow owners want that resort than owners at another resort. If some resorts are consistently harder to reserve in general, they are more in demand. PERIOD, no way around it. There is only one explanation and that is that more people want to stay there than at easier to reserve resorts. Assuming one is using the 7 month window as the benchmark, one can presume that more people are wanting to stay at that resort than easier to reserve resorts. That doesn't make any of the others bad resorts, I prefer OKW myself with BWV second. Availability at the 7 month window is mostly a function of members using their home resort. Availability at less than 7 months, is a measure of overall demand, at sold out resorts, a little less so at resorts not yet sold out due to the declared but not sold inventory.

Even if only a couple of percent more from OKW and SSR want to trade out comapred to the rest, it will have a dramatic effect on the smaller resorts. When members use their points for DCL, II, CC or DC; it does not increase availability overall as these points do not to go DVC members to use but to DVD to rent out or II or BCTC for units for their members.


Rare ? There's a few of you here on the boards who just can't grasp that some of us enjoy peace and serenity (and getting away from it all !) :confused3 OKW has been around for a long time and has a very large following here on the DIS. We actually chose it over BWV. Imagine that ? I think the use of "rare" is way off. "Lousy" transportation and dining at SSR ? Hassle ? Again, I'm not seeing this. Took us 10 min to walk to Cape May Cafe from BWV (in the pouring rain I'll add) for dinner one time. SSR owners have DD dining at their disposal via walk/boat/bus (nice option in times of rain) ? I'm sure SSR owners can get there in the 10-15 min range.
Even if only a couple of percent more from OKW and SSR want to trade out comapred to the rest, it will have a dramatic effect on the smaller resorts. When members use their points for DCL, II, CC or DC; it does not increase availability overall as these points do not to go DVC members to use but to DVD or II or BCTC. If you and I are the only ones who preferred OKW, we'd have it made, so I really don't care. I bought where I want to stay for this very reason.

Lose the idea that because you prefer a resort means everyone feels exactly the same some will and others will not. And don't buy in to the idea that if someone feels one resort might be more preferred overall or even totally dislike a certain resort, that they are bashing resorts. All resorts are different and all are great in their own way. But they are not equally great in spite of what many here want to believe. And the things that make one great to me, might be the same things you don't like about a resort. However, when we discuss the overall demand for a resort, you have to add up all the plusses and minuses from tens of thousands of people.
 
bongo59 said:
but SSR remains very hot and is seeling better than projections, contrary to what this thread would suggest...............just a little FYI.
Sounds like college football talk. "Well, we really didn't want that guy anyway and we really got the players we truly wanted. And even though we signed 25, we knew 7 wouldn't quality and were actually counting on it." If SSR was outselling DVD's expectations, no way they'd be offering the deals they have in the last few months. Disney doesn't give anything away for nothing. Listening and doing something about it are two different things, I'll let their actions speak for whether they're truly listening.
 
Dean said:
.... And don't buy in to the idea that if someone feels one resort might be more preferred overall or even totally dislike a certain resort, that they are bashing resorts. All resorts are different and all are great in their own way. But they are not equally great in spite of what many here want to believe. And the things that make one great to me, might be the same things you don't like about a resort. ....

Some people DO bash when they compare resorts. That's what tends to put others on the defensive.

And when we decide which resorts are not equally as great, whose criteria do we use? I guess we're supposed to use YOURS, huh?
 
Dean said:
200 people reserving 200 units is the same demand as 500 reserving 500 units. The size of a resort will make NO difference if the exact same percentage ow owners want that resort than owners at another resort. If some resorts are consistently harder to reserve in general, they are more in demand. PERIOD, no way around it.

I disagree.

Let's assume that resorts booked to about 75% capacity when the 7 month window arrives.

OKW: 531 total rooms - 399 booked - 132 vacant
BCV: 208 total rooms - 156 booked - 52 vacant

When the 7 month window opens, 90,000 members all have equal shot at those rooms. Just because BCV is "fully booked" first doesn't necessarily mean that demand is higher. Perhaps there were 75 of the 132 rooms booked at OKW before those 52 at BCV were filled.

All we know for certain is that the smaller number of units at BCV filled faster than a larger number of units at OKW. That information doesn't allow us to draw any firm conclusions regarding demand.
 
OneMoreTry said:
Some people DO bash when they compare resorts. That's what tends to put others on the defensive.

And when we decide which resorts are not equally as great, whose criteria do we use? I guess we're supposed to use YOURS, huh?
Most people see bashing where there is none. Saying the hallways are too long, or the resort is too isolated, or I don't like the decor (outside hallways), the view are not good; etc, is not bashing. As for the criteria, I think we each have to have our own for our personal decisions. For general comparisons, we need objective criteria like unit costs, outside ratings system (Unofficial guide, AAA, Mobile, etc).
 
tjkraz said:
I disagree.

Let's assume that resorts booked to about 75% capacity when the 7 month window arrives.

OKW: 531 total rooms - 399 booked - 132 vacant
BCV: 208 total rooms - 156 booked - 52 vacant

When the 7 month window opens, 90,000 members all have equal shot at those rooms. Just because BCV is "fully booked" first doesn't necessarily mean that demand is higher. Perhaps there were 75 of the 132 rooms booked at OKW before those 52 at BCV were filled.

All we know for certain is that the smaller number of units at BCV filled faster than a larger number of units at OKW. That information doesn't allow us to draw any firm conclusions regarding demand.
No doubt that's true to a degree. But if there is consistently NO vacancies at the 7 month window, nuff said. And if the same percentage of owners wanted to stay at their resort, those points associated with 132 units above would be spread out between all other DVC resorts in some capacity. And any owner at BWV, VWL or BCV that wanted to stay at one of the other two, would still open up a spot at the 7 month window or after. So it really comes down to OKW and SSR vs the other 3 to a large degree. There are still over 700 units at those 3 compared to ultimately greater than 1350 for SSR and OKW (plus some VB and HH) so end up roughly 2 to one or just over. And ultimately if there are units left over, the resorts where the units usually end up being available are in less demand. Of course you have to look at the entire year and none of us have statistics though you can bet DVC and Disney do.
 
Dean says : Even if only a couple of percent more from OKW and SSR want to trade out comapred to the rest, it will have a dramatic effect on the smaller resorts
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The size of a resort will make NO difference if the exact same percentage ow owners want that resort than owners at another resort. If some resorts are consistently harder to reserve in general, they are more in demand.
I sort of was saying this, but guess I didn't make myself clear.
I just think that because BCV is newer (and has SAB), makes long-time OKW owners perhaps interested in checking it out. Because there are so many more OKW owners, when even a few of them decide to venture away from their "home", it becomes noticeable. Don't think BCV has been around long enough for their owners to be curious about other resorts yet. Though I have a friend at work (BCV owner) who did ask me about OKW. She sounded interested. I have another friend who owns VWL and she said she's 100% content to stay there so far.

I still think OKW owners are more likely to trade out---particularily those who have owned for a longer time. I really think it's a "variety is the spice of life" kind of issue. I have a feeling most BCV owners are staying put (it's still a pretty new resort), so when the perhaps small amount of OKW/BWV owners decide to trade in (for SAB or whatever), it's noticeable. So I still see that numbers play somewhat of a part unless I'm just not getting it. I don't necessarily see the smaller resorts as more in demand. If they were all built at the same time and everyone bought in around the same time frame, and there were a comparable amount of owners at each, then maybe I'd see your point a little better ? This is the way my mind processes it.

Dean says : And don't buy in to the idea that if someone feels one resort might be more preferred overall or even totally dislike a certain resort, that they are bashing resorts.
Dean says : Most people see bashing where there is none. Saying the hallways are too long, or the resort is too isolated, or I don't like the decor (outside hallways), the view are not good; etc, is not bashing
Agree here, BUT.........
Honestly Dean, I think most of us here felt the OP gave a very fair, honest asssessment of SSR for her family's vacationing needs. I think the problem crept up when one poster used words like "yuk", "inferior" and "lousy" among other comments and this instigated the "bashing" observation. If people could just give fair assessments and leave out the derogatory adjectives I think everything would stay on an even keel on the threads. But some of the adjectives used are bound to spark emotions.
 



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