Glad we passed on the Gardasil vaccine

You must believe everything the government, and government-run agencies say; that's very naive. God help everyone when people stop searching for the truth. As for the FDA-- I have done some deep research on them in the past, and I am 100% convinced that even they cannot be trusted.

.... Pharm companies and banks rule the world---that's how they get away with so much.
Wow.... what an emotional disgorgement you let loose. I can respond to facts, but not pure emotion.

I'm not going to respond to the litany of charges you've leveled at me with no evidence provided. Yes, I work in the industry and I've been open about that here on the DIS.

As for an "agenda" of coming here with the intent of trying to convince people that vaccines are safe... if you'll note, I haven't come rushing here to the DIS to start threads preaching the Gospel according to the CDC. Instead my involvement has been aimed at trying to counter the anti-vax fertilizer that's been sown here by others in the past week in an concerted effort to try and create doubt in the minds of honestly worried parents who are now finding themselves faced with the decision whether to vaccinate their children against the current raging flu pandemic, or not. I've witnessed the repetition of demonstrable falsehoods, the gross misinterpretation of medical facts, misuse of basic monitoring data, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and BTW "kick-backs" (whether cash or junkets) to doctors have been illegal for a number of years now. Even more recently the major players in the Pharma industry stopped giving out trinkets like pens and coffee mugs to doctors and their staff too.

Now if you've got some facts you'd like to talk about, I'm "all ears"... Otherwise, you can return to spinning your anti-government, anti-medical community, anti-pharmaceutical (oh, and banks too) conspiracies as well as doing your "deep research".
 
Wow.... what an emotional disgorgement you let loose. I can respond to facts, but not pure emotion.

I'm not going to respond to the litany of charges you've leveled at me with no evidence provided. Yes, I work in the industry and I've been open about that here on the DIS.

As for an "agenda" of coming here with the intent of trying to convince people that vaccines are safe... if you'll note, I haven't come rushing here to the DIS to start threads preaching the Gospel according to the CDC. Instead my involvement has been aimed at trying to counter the anti-vax fertilizer that's been sown here by others in the past week in an concerted effort to try and create doubt in the minds of honestly worried parents who are now finding themselves faced with the decision whether to vaccinate their children against the current raging flu pandemic, or not. I've witnessed the repetition of demonstrable falsehoods, the gross misinterpretation of medical facts, misuse of basic monitoring data, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and BTW "kick-backs" (whether cash or junkets) to doctors have been illegal for a number of years now. Even more recently the major players in the Pharma industry stopped giving out trinkets like pens and coffee mugs to doctors and their staff too.

Now if you've got some facts you'd like to talk about, I'm "all ears"... Otherwise, you can return to spinning your anti-government, anti-medical community, anti-pharmaceutical (oh, and banks too) conspiracies as well as doing your "deep research".
:worship: :thumbsup2
 
Not to veer into dangerous political territory, but the source of the article is a right wing conservative online publication. And we know how Conservatives feel about a vaccine for the prevention of a STD.

Just sayin'... :rolleyes1


It's uninformed statements like this that have gotten political threads banned from the Dis. just sayin'.......:rolleyes1
 
If you believe that, you are very naive.


Actually, I found Geoff's posts to be be some of the very few on this thread that are fact based, and not opinion and/or emotion.

The article has a very obvious bias to it. I find it bizarre that anyone would not be interested in a possible vaccine for cancer. Cancer! Haven't we been wanting this forever?

My daughter had it and the boosters and she and I both feel great about it.
 

Wow.... what an emotional disgorgement you let loose. I can respond to facts, but not pure emotion.

I'm not going to respond to the litany of charges you've leveled at me with no evidence provided. Yes, I work in the industry and I've been open about that here on the DIS.

As for an "agenda" of coming here with the intent of trying to convince people that vaccines are safe... if you'll note, I haven't come rushing here to the DIS to start threads preaching the Gospel according to the CDC. Instead my involvement has been aimed at trying to counter the anti-vax fertilizer that's been sown here by others in the past week in an concerted effort to try and create doubt in the minds of honestly worried parents who are now finding themselves faced with the decision whether to vaccinate their children against the current raging flu pandemic, or not. I've witnessed the repetition of demonstrable falsehoods, the gross misinterpretation of medical facts, misuse of basic monitoring data, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and BTW "kick-backs" (whether cash or junkets) to doctors have been illegal for a number of years now. Even more recently the major players in the Pharma industry stopped giving out trinkets like pens and coffee mugs to doctors and their staff too.

Now if you've got some facts you'd like to talk about, I'm "all ears"... Otherwise, you can return to spinning your anti-government, anti-medical community, anti-pharmaceutical (oh, and banks too) conspiracies as well as doing your "deep research".

Fact 1) Big Pharma still pays doctors alot of money. Fact 2) Big pharma pays millions to educate doctors.

Health & Science TIME

Is Drug-Company Money Tainting Medical Education?
By Jeffrey Kluger Friday, Mar. 06, 2009


It's not often that a place like Harvard Medical School gets an F — particularly when rivals Stanford, Columbia and the University of Pennsylvania are pulling A's and B's. But that's what happened recently when the members of the increasingly influential — and increasingly noisy — American Medical Student Association (AMSA) decided to grade 150 med schools on just how much money and gifts they're collecting from drug companies. The more goodies a school is vacuuming up from the industry, the worse its grade.

There's always been reason to worry about the influence of Big Pharma on the practice of medicine. When doctors are being lavished with meals and speaking fees by the likes of Pfizer and Merck, can you really trust them when they later write prescriptions for those companies' drugs? Medical schools were long considered above such vulgar stuff. Now, however, it turns out that many professors and instructors are, legally, on the dole as well, and students are beginning to worry that what they're being taught is just as one-sided as what patients are being prescribed. Campaigns to curb the med-school cash are growing — on campus, in Congress and in local governments — and Harvard, at the moment, is at the center of it. (See pictures of the college dorm's evolution.)

The issue exploded this week, when the New York Times published a pair of stories tracking Harvard's industry ties. The school might have turned a whole new shade of crimson when its flunking grade from AMSA was made public last summer, but things got even uglier in November when 40 med students rallied on campus to demand that industry and academia make a clean break. The facts, they argued, justify their outrage. Of Harvard's 8,900 professors and lecturers, 1,600 admit that either they or a family member have had some kind of business link to drug companies — sometimes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars — that could bias their teaching or research. Additionally, pharma contributed more than $11.5 million to the school last year for research and continuing-education classes. The Times covered these details in its stories and included the damning fact that during the November demonstration, a Pfizer employee was on campus photographing protesters with a cell-phone camera. Pfizer did not deny the account but contended that the employee did nothing wrong. (See the top 10 scandals of 2008.)

The tug-of-war between industry and research is long-standing. Major medical journals require any doctors publishing work in their pages to disclose board memberships or other moneymaking arrangements they have with drug companies. Last summer, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers Association prohibited salespeople from treating doctors to meals and golf excursions and even banned the ubiquitous company-branded pens, mugs and notepads that clutter waiting rooms and reception desks. Just this week, federal officials revealed a newly aggressive plan to begin pursuing civil and criminal charges against doctors who accept kickbacks or demand speaking or consulting fees for prescribing drugs or medical devices.

But medical schools are a new low. After the Times stories were published, Senator Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican and longtime critic of drug-company influence, fired off a letter to Pfizer chairman and CEO Jeffrey Kindler describing himself as "greatly disturbed" by the reports and accusing Pfizer of trying to "intimidate young scholars." Grassley cited the 149 Harvard professors or instructors who have received payments or benefits from Pfizer specifically and demanded a detailed accounting of all of them. He closed with a terse "I look forward to hearing from you by no later than March 10, 2009." Pfizer has pledged to cooperate. (Read "The Year in Medicine 2008: From A to Z.")

The outrage comes easily for Grassley and the students — and when it comes to doctors and professors accepting what look like legal bribes or drug companies strong-arming protesters, it should. But there are some gray areas. Medical-school professors get their jobs in the first place because they know their fields. Forbid such educated people to consult with the companies that develop new medicines and you cut off a valuable source of knowledge. What's more, pharma's largesse also flows to the schools themselves in the form of multimillion-dollar endowments. Whether or not the companies are trying to curry favor, they're also building labs and bankrolling scholarships — something that becomes increasingly important as the deteriorating economy causes philanthropic giving to dry up. No one disagrees that isolating academia from the industry may be ideal, but even many academics concede that the cooperation yields more good than harm. And while Harvard might be the highest-profile name that was posted on AMSA's grade list, it was hardly the only one that flunked: 40 out of the 150 schools surveyed received F's; only 22 got an A or B.

Washington is sure to keep an eye on the brouhaha, and the states may take a look too — as Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick did last August when he signed a law banning certain types of gifts to doctors and requiring the industry to disclose any others over $50 in value. Harvard has convened a 19-member committee made up of representatives of its medical school, affiliated teaching hospitals and research institutes, and the student body to review its pharma policy, though the university is hedging on whether it actually plans to change the way it operates. "We cannot speculate on the outcomes of the review process" is all a spokesman is willing to say. And as of Wednesday, Pfizer had apologized to Grassley for what it called the "unfortunate incident" that has "overshadowed the importance of collaboration between industry and leading academic medical institutions." That may be nothing more than a well-spun half-apology — but it doesn't mean there's not some truth to it too.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1883449,00.html
 
Actually, I found Geoff's posts to be be some of the very few on this thread that are fact based, and not opinion and/or emotion.

The article has a very obvious bias to it. I find it bizarre that anyone would not be interested in a possible vaccine for cancer. Cancer! Haven't we been wanting this forever?

My daughter had it and the boosters and she and I both feel great about it.

Point me to someone or some group that does not have a bias. Let me save you the trouble because it can't be done. For the record, I am as liberal and pro-government as they come.
 
I can honestly say that the Gardisil vaccine is one that my DD is actually leaning away from.. She's just not comfortable with it..

However, when the time is right she will be getting the menengitis vaccine for my DGD (11 yrs. old)..


My DD turned 12 in August and she got the Menactra and Tdap booster (includes tetanus) vaccines at her annual physical. If your DGD gets both of these vaccines at her physical make sure they do the shots in different arms. My poor DD had both shots in the same arm and had terrible pain for a couple of days. When I called her pedatrician's office to discuss her pain the nurse I talked to (not the one that administered the shots) said the Menactra and tetanus vaccines are both painful and she should have gotten them in different arms.

And as for Gardisil - my DD won't be getting that vaccine.
 
Actually, I found Geoff's posts to be be some of the very few on this thread that are fact based, and not opinion and/or emotion.

The article has a very obvious bias to it. I find it bizarre that anyone would not be interested in a possible vaccine for cancer. Cancer! Haven't we been wanting this forever?

My daughter had it and the boosters and she and I both feel great about it.

Of course we are all interested in a possible vaccine for cancer! But we do not want to harm our perfectly healthy daughters with a vaccine that may or may not help. Girls are dying from Gardasil. That is a fact. Will everyone who takes it die? No, but mothers have watched their daughters die after taking this vaccine. Again, that is a fact.
 
Fact 1) Big Pharma still pays doctors alot of money. Fact 2) Big pharma pays millions to educate doctors.
Fact: that isn't was being accused of happening. The accusation was about "kick-backs", not research grants, paid consultancies, and true efforts at actual education. The article you posted actually confirms what I said. As for Fact #2, are you saying that educating doctors is a bad thing?

kick·back
n.
1. A sharp reaction; a repercussion.
2. Slang A return of a percentage of a sum of money already received, typically as a result of pressure, coercion, or a secret agreement.

Not many years ago, Drug company did engage in behavior that would classified as "kick-backs". Prescribing physicians were often rewarded with gifts and junkets for highly prescribing the company's drugs. It was all akin to "payola". At times they actions were masked as "educational seminars" that would take place at a resort location, but the agenda was 30 minutes of education and 2 days of golf. These sort of practices were outlawed. Nowadays there are strict guidelines about the sorts of activities that drug companies can do when giving money to a doctor or pay for them to attend seminars. The "kick-backs" are gone, as I said. You can argue whether or not a university professor could be biased because of a business relationship with a Pharma company, but that relationship is no more of a "kick-back" then is a paycheck in exchange for work performed. From the article you posted:
Medical-school professors get their jobs in the first place because they know their fields. Forbid such educated people to consult with the companies that develop new medicines and you cut off a valuable source of knowledge. What's more, pharma's largesse also flows to the schools themselves in the form of multimillion-dollar endowments. Whether or not the companies are trying to curry favor, they're also building labs and bankrolling scholarships — something that becomes increasingly important as the deteriorating economy causes philanthropic giving to dry up. No one disagrees that isolating academia from the industry may be ideal, but even many academics concede that the cooperation yields more good than harm.
 
Girls are dying from Gardasil. That is a fact. Will everyone who takes it die? No, but mothers have watched their daughters die after taking this vaccine. Again, that is a fact.
Really, a "fact"? So then you also agree that it's a fact that people are committing suicide due to taking Advil???
 
My daughter had the three Gardasil injections when she was 19. She had no problems after. I'm very glad she had them.
 
Fact: that isn't was being accused of happening. The accusation was about "kick-backs", not research grants, paid consultancies, and true efforts at actual education. The article you posted actually confirms what I said. As for Fact #2, are you saying that educating doctors is a bad thing?



Not many years ago, Drug company did engage in behavior that would classified as "kick-backs". Prescribing physicians were often rewarded with gifts and junkets for highly prescribing the company's drugs. It was all akin to "payola". At times they actions were masked as "educational seminars" that would take place at a resort location, but the agenda was 30 minutes of education and 2 days of golf. These sort of practices were outlawed. Nowadays there are strict guidelines about the sorts of activities that drug companies can do when giving money to a doctor or pay for them to attend seminars. The "kick-backs" are gone, as I said. You can argue whether or not a university professor could be biased because of a business relationship with a Pharma company, but that relationship is no more of a "kick-back" then is a paycheck in exchange for work performed. From the article you posted:

Yes, I am saying that educating doctors is a bad thing when it is the pharmaceutical companies paying for it. It is a conflict as the company paying for the education will be "educating" the doctors that their drug is the best drug for the job.

Also, as sited below, doctors are still taking "kickbacks".


Crackdown on Doctors Who Take Kickbacks


By Gardiner Harris
March 3, 2009


Washington — Federal health officials and prosecutors, frustrated that they have been unable to stop illegal kickbacks to doctors from drug and device companies, are investigating doctors who take money for using these products.

For years, prosecutors rarely pursued doctors because they believed that juries would sympathize with respected clinicians. But within a few months, officials plan to file civil and criminal charges against a number of surgeons who they say demanded profitable consulting agreements from device makers in exchange for using their products.


“What we need to do is make examples of a couple of doctors so that their colleagues see that this isn’t worth it,” said Lewis Morris, chief counsel to the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services. “We want to send the message to the physician community — particularly surgeons — that you can’t do this.”


The move against doctors is part of a diverse campaign to curb industry marketing tactics that enrich doctors but increase health care costs and sometimes endanger patients. Taken together, the new measures are likely to transform the relationship between medicine and industry.


Over the past year, for instance, prosecutors have greatly increased fines that are collected as part of plea agreements with drug and device companies charged with illegal marketing tactics. In January, Eli Lilly announced it would pay a record fine of $1.4 billion to settle federal criminal charges that it illegally marketed Zyprexa, an antipsychotic medicine. Two weeks later, Pfizer announced that it had set aside $2.3 billion to pay an expected fine over charges that it illegally marketed Bextra, a painkiller that has been withdrawn from the market.


Michael J. Sullivan, the United States attorney for Massachusetts, said that prosecutors — after winning record fines from a record number of companies — realized that they needed to expand the scope of their targets.


“The strategy of looking at the companies alone was not completely successful in terms of our objective to deter health care fraud,” Mr. Sullivan said. “So it’s fair to say that the government is looking at evidence of criminal wrongdoing even by doctors.”


Besides jail time and fines, doctors convicted in the cases could lose their licenses for a time and be excluded from the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs, severely limiting their potential pool of patients.


Dr. Charles D. Rosen, an orthopedic surgeon and president of the Association for Medical Ethics, predicted that the pending cases would tarnish the entire profession. “The abuse of the public trust by the few will hurt the many,” Dr. Rosen said.


Also, as part of plea bargains, federal health officials are forcing a growing number of drug and device makers to post publicly all payments made to doctors who serve as consultants or speakers. Manufacturers have repeatedly used consulting payments in illegal schemes to persuade doctors to prescribe drugs or devices in inappropriate and unapproved ways, according to federal charges.

Prosecutors are hoping that public disclosures of the details of these agreements will make criminal conduct more difficult to conduct and easier to spot, and that they will discourage doctors from taking money and gifts from manufacturers at all.


“The rules of the game have changed,” said Dr. David Rothman, president of the Institute on Medicine as a Profession at Columbia University. “You’ve got to presume that anything you take from a drug or device company is going to be on a Web site. Your colleagues will know; your patients will know. That’s going to stop a lot of doctors from pocketing their gifts and funds.”


Since a substantial share of doctors accept money from drug or device makers, the public postings could have considerable effects.


In Minnesota, the state’s unique payment disclosure and gift limit law has led a growing number of academic and private medical centers to impose severe restrictions on industry marketing practices. Park Nicollet Health Services, one of the largest health systems in the state, banned all industry gifts and nearly all free drug samples and has made public all doctor consulting payments.


The Department of Health and Human Services inspector general’s power to require payment disclosures extends only to companies charged with wrongdoing. A bill sponsored by Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, and Senator Herb Kohl, Democrat of Wisconsin, would mandate that all drug and device makers disclose such payments.


Companies that have announced their intentions to disclose payments to doctors even before the legislation is passed have won plaudits from ethicists and industry critics.


“Being more transparent by opening up our business to the public is an important step to building trust and confidence,” John C. Lechleiter, the chief executive of Eli Lilly, said in a speech in September to the Economic Club of Indiana.


On Feb. 9, the chief executive of Pfizer, Jeffrey B. Kindler, said the disclosures were part of the company’s commitment to increased transparency and would “earn the trust of patients and the public.”


Neither executive mentioned that prosecutors would soon require them to make such disclosures anyway. In addition to Eli Lilly and Pfizer, companies that have agreed to disclose payments to doctors include Merck, Cephalon, GlaxoSmithKline and Medtronic. Some executives contend that the disclosures will increase public support for the payments.


“Through greater transparency about the nature of these relationships, we will help people better understand how important they are to developing life-saving and enhancing products for patients who need them,” Bill Hawkins, the chairman and chief executive of Medtronic, said Tuesday.


But doctors who have seen details of their consulting deals made public say they have been tarred.


Dr. Richard Grimm, a Minnesota researcher, twice served on government-sponsored hypertension panels that create guidelines about when to prescribe blood pressure pills. But when state records revealed that he had earned more than $798,000 from drug companies from 1997 to 2005, invitations to serve on such panels dried up, he said.


“There’s this automatic assumption that if you make money from a drug company, you must be corrupt,” Dr. Grimm said.


Prosecutors are hoping the new measures will finally stop drug and device companies from repeatedly breaking the law.


Eli Lilly, for instance, pleaded guilty to illegal marketing charges in 1985 related to its arthritis drug Oraflex, in 2006 related to its osteoporosis drug Evista, and in January related to Zyprexa. In 2004, Pfizer paid a $430 million fine and pleaded guilty to criminal charges that it illegally marketed the epilepsy drug Neurontin, and it now faces similar charges over its marketing of Bextra.


A common problem in illegal drug and device marketing cases is doctors’ willingness to delude themselves into thinking that cash, lucrative trips and other kickbacks do not affect them, said Mr. Morris, the chief counsel.


“Somehow physicians think they’re different from the rest of us,” Mr. Morris said. “But money works on them just like everybody else.”


Mr. Sullivan, the United States attorney, said officials hoped to send a strong message to doctors. “I have been shocked at what appears to be willful blindness by folks in the physician community to the criminal conduct that corrupts the patient-physician relationship,” he said.

http://lcmedia.typepad.com/pharmola/2009/03/feds-to-doctors-stop-illegal-kickbacks-or-face-.html
 
My daughter had the three injections when she was 17 with no reactions. Her arm was sore but no more than with any other shot she has received. A couple of her friends have also had the shots with no side effects. They were all 16 or 17 years in age.
 
Really, a "fact"? So then you also agree that it's a fact that people are committing suicide due to taking Advil???

I have no idea what people taking Advil are doing. :confused3 I do know that it is a fact that girls are dying from Gardasil.
 
Merck Researcher Admits: Gardasil Guards Against Almost Nothing

http://www.pop.org/merck-researcher-admits-gardasil-guards-against-almost-nothing


On the morning of 2 October 2009, one of us (Joan) joined an audience of mostly health professionals and listened as Dr. Diane Harper, the leading international developer of the HPV vaccines, gave a sales pitch for Gardasil. Gardasil, as you may know, is the new vaccine that is supposed to confer protection against four strains of the sexually transmitted Human Papillomavirus (HPV).

Dr. Harper came to the 4th International Public Conference on Vaccination to prove to us the real benefits of Gardasil. Sadly, her own presentation left me (Joan) and others filled with doubts. By her own admission, Gardasil has the doctors surrounding me glaring at a poor promise of efficacy as a vaccine married to a high risk of life-threatening side effects.

Gardasil, Dr. Harper explained, is promoted by Merck, the pharmaceutical manufacturer, as a “safe and effective” prevention measure against cervical cancer. The theory behind the vaccine is that, as HPV may cause cervical cancer, conferring a greater immunity of some strains of HPV might reduce the incidence of this form of cancer. In pursuit of this goal, tens of millions of American girls have been vaccinated to date.

As I sat scribbling down Merck’s claims, I wondered why such mass vaccination campaigns were necessary. After all, as Dr. Harper explained, 70% of HPV infections resolve themselves without treatment in one year. After two years, this rate climbs to 90%. Of the remaining 10% of HPV infections, only half coincide with the development of cervical cancer.

Dr. Harper further undercut the case for mass vaccination campaigns in the U.S. when she pointed out that “4 out of 5 women with cervical cancer are in developing countries.” (Harper serves as a consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO) for HPV vaccination in the developing world.) Indeed, she surprised her audience by stating that the incidence of cervical cancer in the U.S. is so low that “if we get the vaccine and continue PAP screening, we will not lower the rate of cervical cancer in the US.”

If this is the case, I thought, then why vaccinate at all? From the murmurs of the doctors in the audience, it was apparent that the same thought had occurred to them.

In the U.S. the cervical cancer rate is 8 per 100,000 women.1 Moreover, it is one of the most treatable forms of cancer. The current death rate from cervical cancer is between 1.6 to 3.7 deaths per 100,000 women.2 The American Cancer Society (ACS) notes that “between 1955 and 1992, the cervical cancer death rate declined by 74%” and adds that “the death rate from cervical cancer continues to decline by nearly 4% each year.”3

At this point, I began to wriggle around in my seat, uncomfortably wondering, is the vaccine really effective? Using data from trials funded by Merck, Dr. Harper cheerfully continued to demolish the case for the vaccine that she was ostensibly there to promote. She informed us that “with the use of Gardasil, there will be no decrease in cervical cancer until at least 70% of the population is vaccinated, and in that case, the decrease will be very minimal. The highest amount of minimal decrease will appear in 60 years.”

It is hard to imagine a less compelling case for Gardasil. First of all, it is highly unlikely that 70% or more of the female population will continue to get routine Gardasil shots and boosters, along with annual PAP smears. And even if it did, according to Dr. Harper, “after 60 years, the vaccination will [only] have prevented 70% of incidences” of cervical cancer.

But rates of death from cervical cancer are already declining. Let’s do the math. If the 4% annual decline in cervical cancer death continues, in 60 years there will have been a 91.4% decline in cervical cancer death just from current cancer monitoring and treatment. Comparing this rate of decline to Gardasil’s projected “very minimal” reduction in the rate of cervical cancer of only 70 % of incidences in 60 years, it is hard to resist the conclusion that Gardasil does almost nothing for the health of American women.

Despite these dismal projections, Gardasil continues to be widely and aggressively promoted among pre-teen girls. The CDC reports that, by 1 June 2009, over 26 million doses of Gardasil have been distributed in the U.S.4 With hopes of soon tapping the adolescent male demographic, Merck, the pharmaceutical manufacturer of the vaccine, and certain Merck-funded U.S. medical organizations are targeting girls between the ages of 9 and 13.5 As CBS news reports, “Gardasil, launched in 2006 for girls and young women, quickly became one of Merck's top-selling vaccines, thanks to aggressive marketing and attempts to get states to require girls to get the vaccine as a requirement for school attendance.”6

Just as I began, in my own mind, to question ethics of mass vaccinations of prepubescent girls, Dr. Harper dropped another bombshell. “There have been no efficacy trials in girls under 15 years,” she told us.
Merck did study a small group of girls under 16 who had been vaccinated, but did not follow them long enough to conclude sufficient presence of effective HPV antibodies.

If I wasn’t skeptical enough already, I really started scratching my head when Dr. Harper explained, “if you vaccinate a child, she won’t keep immunity in puberty and you do nothing to prevent cervical cancer.” But it turned out that she wasn’t arguing for postponing Gardasil vaccination until later puberty, as I first thought. Rather, Dr. Harper only emphasized to the doctors in the audience the need for Gardasil booster shots, because it is still unknown how long the vaccine immunity lasts. More booster shots mean more money for Merck, obviously.

I left Dr. Harper’s lecture convinced that Gardasil did little to stop cervical cancer, and determined to answer another question that she had largely ducked: Is this vaccine safe?

Here’s what my research turned up. To date, 15,037 girls have officially reported adverse side effects from Gardasil to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). These adverse effects include Guilliane Barre, lupus, seizures, paralysis, blood clots, brain inflammation and many others. The CDC acknowledges that there have been 44 reported deaths.7
Dr. Harper, who seems to specialize in dropping bombshells, dropped another in an interview with ABC News when she admitted that “The rate of serious adverse events is greater than the incidence rate of cervical cancer.”8 This being the case, one might want to take one’s chances with cancer, especially because the side effects of the vaccine are immediate, while the possibility of developing cancer is years in the future.
In the clinical studies alone, 23 girls died after receiving either Gardasil or the Aluminum control injection. 15 of the 13,686 girls who received Gardasil died, while 8 died among the 11,004 who received the Aluminum shot. There was only one death among the group that had a saline placebo. What this means is that 1 out of every 912 who received Gardasil in the study died.9, see p. 8 The cervical cancer death rate is 1 out of every 40,000 women per year.10

The numbers of deaths and adverse effects are undoubtedly underestimates. Dr. Harper’s comments to ABC News concur with the National Vaccine Information Center’s claim that “though nearly 70 percent of all Gardasil reaction reports were filed by Merck, a whopping 89 percent of the reports Merck did file were so incomplete there was not enough information for health officials to do a proper follow-up and review.”11 On average, less than 10 percent—perhaps even less than 1 percent—of serious vaccine adverse events are ever reported, according to the American Journal of Public Health.12

Given the severity and frequency of Gardasil adverse reactions, I definitely wasn’t the only one in Dr. Harper’s audience who winced when she dismissed most Gardasil side effects as “easily just needle phobia.”

Due to the young age of the trial participants and the short duration of the studies, the effects of Gardasil on female fecundity have not been studied. I did discover, in my post-conference reading, that Polysorbate 80, an ingredient in the vaccine,13, see p. 12 has been observed in a European clinical study to cause infertility in rats.14 Is this an additional concern? Time will tell.

I do not wish to give the impression that Dr. Harper presented, even inadvertently, a consistently negative view of her own vaccine. She did tout certain “real benefits,” chief among them that “the vaccine will reduce the number of follow-up tests after abnormal PAP smears,” and thereby reduce the “relationship tension,” “stress and anxiety” of abnormal or false HPV positive results.

To me, however, this seems a rather slim promise, especially when weighed against the deaths and side effects caused by the Gardasil campaign. Should millions of girls in the United States, many as young as 9, be put at risk, so that sexually active adults can have less “relationship tension” about false positive HPV results? Is the current rate of death, sterility and serious immune dysfunction from Gardasil worth the potential that in 60 years a minimal amount of a cervical disease (that is already decreasing on its own) may perhaps be reduced?

But what I really wanted to know is why Merck is so eagerly marketing such a dangerous and ineffective vaccine? Aren’t there other ways they could make a profit? While Merck’s behavior is probably adequately explained by the profit motive, what about those in the Health and Human Services bureaucracy who apparently see Gardasil as medicine’s gift to women? What motivates them?

I (Steve) think that they see Gardasil as what one might call a “wedge” drug. For them, the success of this public vaccination campaign has less to do with stopping cervical cancer, than it does with opening the door to other vaccination campaigns for other sexually transmitted diseases, and perhaps even including pregnancy itself. For if they can overcome the objections of parents and religious organizations to vaccinating pre-pubescent—and not sexually active--girls against one form of STD, then it will make it easier for them to embark on similar programs in the future.

After all, the proponents of sexual liberation are determined not to let mere disease—or even death—stand in the way of their pleasures. They believe that there must be technological solutions to the diseases that have arisen from their relentless promotion of promiscuity. After all, the alternative is too horrible to contemplate: They might have to learn to control their appetites. And they might have to teach abstinence.
 
Oh, and BTW "kick-backs" (whether cash or junkets) to doctors have been illegal for a number of years now. Even more recently the major players in the Pharma industry stopped giving out trinkets like pens and coffee mugs to doctors and their staff too.

I found plenty of their political contributions to be off-side.

As some of the other posters stated its odd seeing them advertise an HPV vaccine as a Cancer vaccine. The formula should have been "HPV vaccine and here is some additional information". This is all that has been allowed for any other medication or vaccine.

The VAERS database is fine, they make it very clear what sorts of things are included. I've read through and found some serious trends, anyone can do the same. Your OTC comparison was a poor choice.
 
Not many years ago, Drug company did engage in behavior that would classified as "kick-backs". Prescribing physicians were often rewarded with gifts and junkets for highly prescribing the company's drugs. It was all akin to "payola". At times they actions were masked as "educational seminars" that would take place at a resort location, but the agenda was 30 minutes of education and 2 days of golf. These sort of practices were outlawed.


When I first moved to the area I am currently living 5 1/2 years ago, I found a doctor for my family to use. Nice enough guy but his practices were despicable, IMO. I watched drug reps come to the window multiple times and they were informed of the policy:
If you want to see the doctor in the AM, you need to bring breakfast for the group. If you want to see him in the afternoon, you need to bring lunch for the group.

The front desk was even kind enough to provide a list of places they could order from. I asked the doctor about it and his response was this:
They want me to hawk their brand over another brand so I should at least get a meal out of it.

When I asked if he thought it would make more sense to only dole out medications that he actually believed in instead of who provided the best lunch, he said we would probably not be a good fit. Ya think!

Here is the best part (NOT). The next doctor I went to (gyn) had the identical policy! I am pretty sure I posted about it at the time because I was livid.

So maybe it is harder to get away with golf outings at luxury resorts nowadays, but there are still plenty of doctors on the take and plenty of drug companies ready and willing to do whatever it takes to get their product out there. Do you honestly believe that this doesn't take place anymore just because they outlawed it?
 
I believe the choice is your own to make and ftr my children will never be getting this vaccine.
That being said, those that said their children didn't have any adverse reactions how do you know? The long term effects of this vaccine have not been studied. We have no idea how it will effect these girls in the future. Will it effect their fertility? Will it eventually put them in early menopause? Will it actually cause other types of immunological problems? For me personally there is simply not enough research done yet with this particular vaccine. YMMV.
 
Merck Researcher Admits: Gardasil Guards Against Almost Nothing

http://www.pop.org/merck-researcher-admits-gardasil-guards-against-almost-nothing

{snip all kids of stuff lifted directly from the fist article and passed off as the author of this article and even more "interesting" paranoid stuff to get to the ultimate kicker:}

I (Steve) think that they see Gardasil as what one might call a “wedge” drug. For them, the success of this public vaccination campaign has less to do with stopping cervical cancer, than it does with opening the door to other vaccination campaigns for other sexually transmitted diseases, and perhaps even including pregnancy itself. For if they can overcome the objections of parents and religious organizations to vaccinating pre-pubescent—and not sexually active--girls against one form of STD, then it will make it easier for them to embark on similar programs in the future.

After all, the proponents of sexual liberation are determined not to let mere disease—or even death—stand in the way of their pleasures. They believe that there must be technological solutions to the diseases that have arisen from their relentless promotion of promiscuity. After all, the alternative is too horrible to contemplate: They might have to learn to control their appetites. And they might have to teach abstinence.
:rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl:

Thank you so much for the laugh today. Someone ("Steve") is a wee bit delusional, IMO. I noticed that the author was SO proud of that "article" that he (I guess his name is "Steve") didn't even bother with a byline :lmao:.
 
The reason that I posted it was because it show the actual deaths that have occured. I don't find that funny. :confused:
 












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