Give me the low down on the fast pass situation...

[mesaboy2]

Did you miss last 9 months on this topic?

I should have known it was pointless to ask. Back to (KellyNY && FastPass) lurkdom for me--unless you can answer this question now without referring me to past threads.

I disagree. During Spring Break we were able to get Fast Passes for Space Mountain as late as 6 pm. Splash Mountain too! We have never had that luxury before. I do believe that people grabbing FP after FP resulted in them being gone A LOT faster than they are now.

Just my observation.

We can certainly observe different things.

 

[maxiesmom]

You can observe that FPs are available later.

But you can't observe the reason why.

Not for sure, no. But after many trips of not being able to get FP late into the day, the one trip we take after the time enforcement starts, we are able to. Seems a logical conclusion to draw.

(insert here all of the reasons the people who hate the FP enforcement can come up with to explain the later availability of FPs. Phase of the moon, global warming, or whatever they can come up with. Or the steadfast denial that FP are available later).

Moving on. I do know logic is not proof, but I really don't care. I just like not having all of the FPs gone when I go to grab one. Makes for a much nicer park experience.

 

[KellyNY]

I should have known it was pointless to ask. Back to (KellyNY && FastPass) lurkdom for me--unless you can answer this question now without referring me to past threads.



We can certainly observe different things.

Of course it was pointless to ask what was discussed so many times by others and esp. by you and me. I have no interest running another circle, esp. when I know how it will end, don't you?

 

[KellyNY]

Not for sure, no. But after many trips of not being able to get FP late into the day, the one trip we take after the time enforcement starts, we are able to. Seems a logical conclusion to draw.

(insert here all of the reasons the people who hate the FP enforcement can come up with to explain the later availability of FPs. Phase of the moon, global warming, or whatever they can come up with. Or the steadfast denial that FP are available later).

Moving on. I do know logic is not proof, but I really don't care. I just like not having all of the FPs gone when I go to grab one. Makes for a much nicer park experience.

 

[mesaboy2]

Of course it was pointless to ask what was discussed so many times by others and esp. by you and me. I have no interest running another circle, esp. when I know how it will end, don't you?

Only your observations and reports you choose to believe are facts then--got it. Buh-bye.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

Observation #1: Fastpasses are available later in the day
Observation #2: Fastpass lines are longer

Hypotheses that can explain these observations:
1: Fastpass enforcement policy changed enough people's behavior to result in these outcomes

2: There are more fastpasses available

3: Both #1 and #2 above are happening

There are no facts that can tell us which of these (if any) is correct. Trying to do so is, thus, pure speculation.

 

[mesaboy2]

Observation #1: Fastpasses are available later in the day
Observation #2: Fastpass lines are longer

Hypotheses that can explain these observations:
1: Fastpass enforcement policy changed enough people's behavior to result in these outcomes

2: There are more fastpasses available

3: Both #1 and #2 above are happening

There are no facts that can tell us which of these (if any) is correct. Trying to do so is, thus, pure speculation.

Completely agree. You understand the differences between observations, hypotheses, speculation, and facts.

 

[KellyNY]

Only your observations and reports you choose to believe are facts then--got it. Buh-bye.

If this is how you feel, OK then.

 

[KellyNY]

Observation #1: Fastpasses are available later in the day
Observation #2: Fastpass lines are longer

Hypotheses that can explain these observations:
1: Fastpass enforcement policy changed enough people's behavior to result in these outcomes

2: There are more fastpasses available

3: Both #1 and #2 above are happening

There are no facts that can tell us which of these (if any) is correct. Trying to do so is, thus, pure speculation.

FP lines are not longer all the time. There are reports and I experienced one long line myself, but nobody said all lines were longer all the time. In fact there are reports of longer, shorter and just the same lines. I think it is pretty important difference when we are talking about possible signs of FP increase. If it was all the time, then it could be a sign but since it is only occasional and happened from time to time before, with new rules it can be easily explained with ride breakage.

 

[Melodious]

Observation #1: Fastpasses are available later in the day
Observation #2: Fastpass lines are longer

Hypotheses that can explain these observations:
1: Fastpass enforcement policy changed enough people's behavior to result in these outcomes

2: There are more fastpasses available

3: Both #1 and #2 above are happening

There are no facts that can tell us which of these (if any) is correct. Trying to do so is, thus, pure speculation.

I agree with this. However, observations still are not facts. I know what I saw, but I also know that what I saw may not be the norm all the time. I know what I have read on these boards, but I know that I don't read every single post on here and we are a small contingent of people who go to WDW at any given time. This argument about who is right seems very strange given that nobody knows if anything is right. I simply commented to warn the OP that fastpass lines may be significantly longer than he is used to because that is what I observed. Fastpasses for TSM were still gone early.

 

[North of Mouse]

Here now, have gotten and used several FP's. Strict about return time, but other than that we are not noticing any difference than at anytime before.

 

[mesaboy2]

Here now, have gotten and used several FP's. Strict about return time, but other than that we are not noticing any difference than at anytime before.

This can't be right, FPs are lasting longer in the day. If you don't see that you must be in steadfast denial! Others have observed this so it must be true.

 

[KellyNY]

This can't be right, FPs are lasting longer in the day. If you don't see that you must be in steadfast denial! Others have observed this so it must be true.

Definitely can't be right! How come they did not notice all the increase in FPs distribution and all the long lines, hm, the evidence in support of so called CMs reports?

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

Hey all!
Last year was our first trip to Disney. We loved the fast passes. I've heard that they are now enforcing the return times - how strict is this? Also - has anyone heard how that new fast pass system is working in trial? What's the word on when it will be available for everyone?
Thanks for the info!!

~Hi *again* Sleepyhappyandgrumpy! You must have perfect timing, because Disney has just announced another trial for FastPass+ on December 11th - 15th, for the Magic Kingdom & Disney's Hollywood Studios!!! Yay!!! Here are two threads with some very excited & lucky guests who will participate in the upcoming trial -- Thread ONE & Thread TWO. It's so awesome to see so many people excited about this!

~I think FastPass+ is going to be a huge success!!!

 

[maxiesmom]

This can't be right, FPs are lasting longer in the day. If you don't see that you must be in steadfast denial! Others have observed this so it must be true.

So someone can be steadfast in believing one way, but not the other? That is what I am getting here.

 

[mesaboy2]

So someone can be steadfast in believing one way, but not the other? That is what I am getting here.

I do not pass my beliefs and observations as facts, nor do I state that those who don't agree with me are in steadfast denial, i.e. outright wrong.

If you're really bored, go back and read my many posts on the subject. You will find they pretty much all say "I believe...", "Many/Most reports are...", "Many/Most posters say...", or "What I saw was..."; and are often followed by "none of us here know the whole picture". They are not written like these:

I choose to believe facts, not rumors and speculations and FP increase is a pure speculation. As for testing, I do not know what exactly they do, neither do you, so any assumption is just another speculation.

Of course, I am pretty sure that flying pigs can contribute but unless FP cannot produce what we see now and there are strong evidence that there is something else at work that cannot be explained by new rules, I choose to work with facts and not mysterious possibilities which are nothing but speculations created and spread to diminish enforcement benefits.

Facts are facts, no matter how much some would love to call them observations, speculations or any other word to diminish those facts and to justify their own speculations.
Truth is, some refuse to admit enforcement benefits and will go great distance to come out with any other explanation why it is what it is, esp. when some people who spread those rumors are the same people who were predicting end of the world after enforcement. Too obvious.

Yet when I asked what "facts" this poster is working with, the predictable response was a complete dodge--I should go back and look over old threads. They are incapable of citing even one, though the entire argument is based on a multitude of supposed facts.

I disagree. During Spring Break we were able to get Fast Passes for Space Mountain as late as 6 pm. Splash Mountain too! We have never had that luxury before. I do believe that people grabbing FP after FP resulted in them being gone A LOT faster than they are now.

Just my observation.

Nothing wrong with this post--it makes complete sense and doesn't preach facts and truths.

Not for sure, no. But after many trips of not being able to get FP late into the day, the one trip we take after the time enforcement starts, we are able to. Seems a logical conclusion to draw.

(insert here all of the reasons the people who hate the FP enforcement can come up with to explain the later availability of FPs. Phase of the moon, global warming, or whatever they can come up with. Or the steadfast denial that FP are available later).

Moving on. I do know logic is not proof, but I really don't care. I just like not having all of the FPs gone when I go to grab one. Makes for a much nicer park experience.

Then an anecdotal observation passed off as universal fact. Note the use of "are"--not "might be", not "could be", not "sometimes".

Do you get where I'm coming from? At all?

How's this for a possibility to explain your "one trip" where FPs were available later? Were the parks open later that day or those days? Wouldn't a simple difference in park hours greatly impact the time that FPs ran out? My point is this is such a complex system that there are too many variables for any one of us to effectively analyze and come away with a meaningful conclusion. This is a big reason why I find the discussion so interesting--it's a very complex problem.

I think I am officially bored now.

 

[WillAustin]

How's this for a possibility to explain your "one trip" where FPs were available later?

I think it's a good possibility. The complexity probably increases based on the crowd sizes too.

Anecdotally , CM's have said, both on the boards and in the parks, that they have increased the number of FPs. And they can change that number every day, so one day may not correlate with another.

It doesn't really matter, but I'll be in WDW tonight.

 

[mesaboy2]

I think it's a good possibility. The complexity probably increases based on the crowd sizes too.

Anecdotally , CM's have said, both on the boards and in the parks, that they have increased the number of FPs. And they can change that number every day, so one day may not correlate with another.

It doesn't really matter, but I'll be in WDW tonight.

Have a great trip!

 

[WillAustin]

Have a great trip!

Thanks!

I can't believe we are just barely missing the FP+ test. I would have liked to try it out.

 

[mom2rtk]

Thanks!

I can't believe we are just barely missing the FP+ test. I would have liked to try it out.

Welll, turns out we'll be there with everyone else getting to enjoy it. But we're not part of it. Figures.

Have a great trip!