Girl Scouts - Privacy Rules

[sha_lyn]

What do you mean how would that solve anything? If you tacked up a curtain in the corner of the tent for those who want privacy to use, that would solve the OP's problem?

So, leaders are allowed to change in the bathroom? In other words, they can have privacy if they want but the children aren't given the same respect?

Wear a big tshirt as already suggested and problem solved. It is not up to the camp to cater to every little whim of the girls or parents. Abide by the policies or attend a different camp.

AS I SAID BEFORE THE ADULTS CHANGE IN FRONT OF OTHER ADULTS. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GET NAKED IN FRONT OF THE GIRLS OR SEE THE GIRLS NAKED.

 

[Lilogirl]

i have always changed in a stall for my entire life. Even in High school. I also did not shower with other girls. I would not shower if I have too share. I hate it when women walk around the gym locker room with nothing on. I would rather go home to shower and change.

My daughter went to a summer camp with she was little and they had to change in a large room. She did not swim. I had a someone at a YMCA ask me if there was a problem that my daughter wanted to change in a stall all the time. And I said yes, she has values.

GOOD for her!!!!!

I wish more children were taught similar values at home.

 

[kimmikayb]

Wear a big tshirt as already suggested and problem solved. It is not up to the camp to cater to every little whim of the girls or parents. Abide by the policies or attend a different camp.

AS I SAID BEFORE THE ADULTS CHANGE IN FRONT OF OTHER ADULTS. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GET NAKED IN FRONT OF THE GIRLS OR SEE THE GIRLS NAKED.

Some people will never understand, you're wasting your energy.

OT, but since so many of you brought this up....I cannot believe (1) kids aren't showering after PE???? Our kids are required to shower and put deo back on. (2) Some kids are wearing their PE clothes ALL day? (3) There are some schools not requiring PE??

Growing up we never had stalls or curtains. We changed clothes with each other and we were required to shower in one long shower stall together. College offers a tad bit more privacy, but not much.

When my DD was upset about showering after PE, I asked her why? All those girls are the same as you. She thought about it for a minute and agreed. She doesn't care anymore. It will help her when she goes off to college, joins a gym, goes to the public pool, etc.

 

[arielsleepingbeauty]

I have a 6 and 8 year old and both of them would like and deserve to have privacy. I have raised them to know that no one should see their private areas except their doctor and me (because they are girls) They both take swimming and gymnastics and I have taught them to strategically wrap a towel around them to take off their clothing and put on new clothing. I am not a mother who complains, I adjust to the situation. I understand about time constraints, but i also want my daughters to feel comfortable and have some sort of privacy.
Maybe in this situation they could use the buddy system and one girl could hold up a towel in the corner while one dresses and then the other. No matter how old our children are, they do deserve to have some sort of privacy. At this young age, their feelings about their body shapes how they feel when they are teenagers.

 

[kimmikayb]

GOOD for her!!!!!

I wish more children were taught similar values at home.

What value is that?? That we should hide our bodies? Ashamed of our bodies? It's not like anyone is getting naked and parading into the boys room or Main Street!

No thank you. I will teach my girls that they have a beautiful body. It seems as if people are so wrapped up into the naked body making it somehow "wrong"! To equate it with "values" purely confuses me.

In this day and age it is normal to be concerned with the safety of our children, but are we making our naked bodies so taboo our kids will grow up scared of themselfs?

 

[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]

AS I SAID BEFORE THE ADULTS CHANGE IN FRONT OF OTHER ADULTS. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GET NAKED IN FRONT OF THE GIRLS OR SEE THE GIRLS NAKED.

I'm not implying that they get naked in front of the girls. What I said was that the adults can go to the bathroom and change if they want privacy but you won't let the girls do that.

Growing up we never had stalls or curtains. We changed clothes with each other and we were required to shower in one long shower stall together. College offers a tad bit more privacy, but not much.

Yes, but things have changed for the better, luckily. Now children have rights. That is a fairly new concept. Children don't have to be embarassed and they can do with their bodies what makes them comfortable, not what adult insist upon. Check out the United Nations website, if you don't believe me.

 

[honugirl]

I play a lot of sports and changing and showering in front of other people is just part of life. There isn't any time to wait for everyone to leave to shower because there's always another team waiting to get in. We all have the same parts, it's just a body. No one is looking at anyone else because we're all so focused on what we're doing to get ready. After the game in the shower, everyone is so focused on showering that no one even notices anyone else. It's really not that big of a deal.

If it's really that big of a deal then wear the swimsuit all day under clothes. Or change under the T-shirt, but there's going to come a time when you're just going to have to go with the flow or not participate.

 

[kimmikayb]

I play a lot of sports and changing and showering in front of other people is just part of life. There isn't any time to wait for everyone to leave to shower because there's always another team waiting to get in. We all have the same parts, it's just a body. No one is looking at anyone else because we're all so focused on what we're doing to get ready. After the game in the shower, everyone is so focused on showering that no one even notices anyone else. It's really not that big of a deal.

If it's really that big of a deal then wear the swimsuit all day under clothes. Or change under the T-shirt, but there's going to come a time when you're just going to have to go with the flow or not participate.

I agree!

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

My daughter went to a summer camp with she was little and they had to change in a large room. She did not swim. I had a someone at a YMCA ask me if there was a problem that my daughter wanted to change in a stall all the time. And I said yes, she has values.

What do values have to do with changing clothes? That makes no sense and is rude to all girls/women!

Since when did nudity=no values/bad/something to be ashamed of?

We changed for cheerleading in grammar school, showered after gym in high school, and I belong to a gym where I shower and ohmygod drop my towel to dress.

Who knew I had no values?

 

[Lilogirl]

What value is that?? That we should hide our bodies? Ashamed of our bodies? It's not like anyone is getting naked and parading into the boys room or Main Street!

No thank you. I will teach my girls that they have a beautiful body. It seems as if people are so wrapped up into the naked body making it somehow "wrong"! To equate it with "values" purely confuses me.

Lots of people are confused about values lately . In my opinion modesty is a value. Just because you think you have a beautiful body does not mean I want to see it.

At no point did I say anything about being ashamed of our bodies. I was commenting on the fact that the girl choose not to share her body with anyone else. In my opinion that is an admirable quality.

 

[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]

What value is that?? That we should hide our bodies? Ashamed of our bodies? It's not like anyone is getting naked and parading into the boys room or Main Street!

No thank you. I will teach my girls that they have a beautiful body. It seems as if people are so wrapped up into the naked body making it somehow "wrong"! To equate it with "values" purely confuses me.

In this day and age it is normal to be concerned with the safety of our children, but are we making our naked bodies so taboo our kids will grow up scared of themselfs?

You have clearly never been physically abused and had bruises that you wanted to hide. You have clearly never been sexually abused and don't want other people to see the places where you have been violated. You have clearly never been severly burned and didn't want to share that. You clearly don't have Becker's nevus and want to hide the hair that you have on your belly, lower back, or in another embarassing place. You have clearly never been told that you are ugly or fat or that your body is something to be ashamed of. You clearly don't have a psychological condition that gives you an anxiety attack at the very thought of someone seeing you nude. You clearly don't belong to a religion that forbids public nudity of any kind.

For just one moment, can't you concede that children (and adults like me) might have very valid reasons for not wanting other people to see their naked bodies? And even if you can't understand it or won't acknowledge it, the fact is that children have the right to decide who sees their bodies and where. No child should ever be made to feel so incredibly uncomfortable because some adult can't see a way to accomodate them.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

Lots of people are confused about values lately . In my opinion modesty is a value. Just because you think you have a beautiful body does not mean I want to see it.

At no point did I say anything about being ashamed of our bodies. I was commenting on the fact that the girl choose not to share her body with anyone else. In my opinion that is an admirable quality.

Modesty is fine and good - but not in a single sex changing room!

Have you ever been naked with other women? It is just women changing - there is NOTHING immodest or indecent about it.

 

[Geoff_M]

Man, and we wonder why so many young girls have eating disorders...

 

[Lilogirl]

Modesty is fine and good - but not in a single sex changing room!

Have you ever been naked with other women? It is just women changing - there is NOTHING immodest or indecent about it.

Now there is a quote worthy of the tag fairy LOL.

 

[luvmy3]

This thread has been enlightening. I haven't taken my troop overnight camping yet, our first will be next year. I will definitely find out about all the accomodations at the camp and let the parents know beforehand. If they require the girls to change all together and its not possible to find a more private area, I will suggest they pack a large T- shirt.

 

[sha_lyn]

I'm not implying that they get naked in front of the girls. What I said was that the adults can go to the bathroom and change if they want privacy but you won't let the girls do that.

Let me try this again. The women are changing in the bathroom with other women. There isn't any privacy. Using the bathroom is for convience/sticking to the time schedule. If the unit leaders do not have time to run the girls out of the tent to change they will run in and change in the bathroom while the lifeguard is talking to the girls around the rules.

I play a lot of sports and changing and showering in front of other people is just part of life. There isn't any time to wait for everyone to leave to shower because there's always another team waiting to get in. We all have the same parts, it's just a body. No one is looking at anyone else because we're all so focused on what we're doing to get ready. After the game in the shower, everyone is so focused on showering that no one even notices anyone else. It's really not that big of a deal.

If it's really that big of a deal then wear the swimsuit all day under clothes. Or change under the T-shirt, but there's going to come a time when you're just going to have to go with the flow or not participate.

What do values have to do with changing clothes? That makes no sense and is rude to all girls/women!

Since when did nudity=no values/bad/something to be ashamed of?

We changed for cheerleading in grammar school, showered after gym in high school, and I belong to a gym where I shower and ohmygod drop my towel to dress.

Who knew I had no values?

ITA

Lots of people are confused about values lately . In my opinion modesty is a value. Just because you think you have a beautiful body does not mean I want to see it.

At no point did I say anything about being ashamed of our bodies. I was commenting on the fact that the girl choose not to share her body with anyone else. In my opinion that is an admirable quality.

Changing in front of a few peers=sharing their bodies that has to be one of the most outrageous things I have ever read. Good grief you make it sound like the girls are having an orgy in the changing room/tent/locker-room etc.

 

[luvmy3]

For just one moment, can't you concede that children (and adults like me) might have very valid reasons for not wanting other people to see their naked bodies? And even if you can't understand it or won't acknowledge it, the fact is that children have the right to decide who sees their bodies and where. No child should ever be made to feel so incredibly uncomfortable because some adult can't see a way to accomodate them.

 

[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]

Let me try this again. The women are changing in the bathroom with other women. There isn't any privacy. Using the bathroom is for convience/sticking to the time schedule. If the unit leaders do not have time to run the girls out of the tent to change they will run in and change in the bathroom while the lifeguard is talking to the girls around the rules.

Let me try this again: If there was an adult leader who wanted to go into a bathroom stall to change by themselves because they felt uncomfortable getting changed in front of other people, they wouldn't be allowed? I would like to hear that conversation. My point is, the only reason people get away with forcing children to change in public when they have requested to change is private is because they are children. You would never force an adult to.

 

[Lilogirl]

Changing in front of a few peers=sharing their bodies that has to be one of the most outrageous things I have ever read. Good grief you make it sound like the girls are having an orgy in the changing room/tent/locker-room etc.

I guess we are even then since I think most of what you have said is pretty outrageous as well.

Don't know where you got the orgy from. I guess we disagree on modesty/values.

 

[Tinkerbelle's Mom]

I had a someone at a YMCA ask me if there was a problem that my daughter wanted to change in a stall all the time. And I said yes, she has values.

I think your comment was rude. I do not think all the girls that are comfortable changing in a group setting are lacking in values... as your comment implies.

GOOD for her!!!!!

I wish more children were taught similar values at home.

I hope not! I am a girl scout leader and while I would provide privacy to those that want it and not degrade those who were comfortable changing in a group environment. It is important to teach our kids to stand up for thier values. It is also important to teach them to respect others at the same time!

What do values have to do with changing clothes? That makes no sense and is rude to all girls/women!

Since when did nudity=no values/bad/something to be ashamed of?

We changed for cheerleading in grammar school, showered after gym in high school, and I belong to a gym where I shower and ohmygod drop my towel to dress.

Who knew I had no values?

I guess I have none either and I will probably pass them on to my troop full of impressionable girls.

Lots of people are confused about values lately . In my opinion modesty is a value. Just because you think you have a beautiful body does not mean I want to see it.

At no point did I say anything about being ashamed of our bodies. I was commenting on the fact that the girl choose not to share her body with anyone else. In my opinion that is an admirable quality.

In a locker room setting you do not need to look at the other bodies that way you would not need to see.

So are the girls who are comfortable changing in the locker room not modest?