Girl on plane not able to use bathroom

[Domo]

On Ryan Air, a European ultra-low fare airline, you actually have to pay to use the rest room

 

[kathie859]

And I truly wonder when a 3 year old wetting her pants became a free ticket and $5000 contribution to charity?

Kids have accidents.

Hold the presses!!!!!!

I do think the visit to security "may" have been over the top; however, terrorists use women and children as tools. Perhaps they were to be a distraction while something more nefarious took place. As a frequent flyer, I'm glad the extra precaution was taken to speak with the mother and child after the incident.

 

[robinb]

And I truly wonder when a 3 year old wetting her pants became a free ticket and $5000 contribution to charity?

Kids have accidents.

Hold the presses!!!!!!

I do think the visit to security "may" have been over the top; however, terrorists use women and children as tools. Perhaps they were to be a distraction while something more nefarious took place. As a frequent flyer, I'm glad the extra precaution was taken to speak with the mother and child after the incident.

I don't think it had anything to do with terrorism. It had to do with the mom (1) ignoring the FAA rules and standing up even though she was repeatedly told to sit down and (2) refusing to sit down when she was specifically told to do so and (3) mouthing off to the FA whose job it is to enforce the rules by telling her she would sit down when she finished cleaning up (aka when she was "good and ready"). And yes, she was rewarded for it all.

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[Planogirl]

I can see both sides. There is safety to think about but people being allowed to use a bathroom when needed is pretty important too. It was "only" 30 minutes but people get sick and what then? The delay can also be much longer than 30 minutes so when is it enough?

Part of the problem is that travelers deal with a lot of discomfort and expense when it comes to flying now. Flying is not like it once was, that's for sure! I know --- then don't fly.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Well, in this case, don't fly. The train from New York to Newton would have taken less time overall than the flight - and passengers can get up any time.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

I also have a newly potty trained 3 year old and we're flying next month. After reading this, I plan to put her back in pull-ups or a diaper for the flight.

Good thinking. Keep your life simple during hectic travel.

The whole business surrounding your flight can be smooth as silk or a delay can cause a lot of discomfort for your group.

I also bring snacks and drinks too.

Maybe we should start packing Depends and a blanket just in case for adults. Just saying...

 

[LiveYourLife]

The way I see it, you let one person up, then someone else has an emergency and they need to get up, and then it just continues. Yes, the situation is unfortunate, but as another poster said upthread, getting flights off the ground, landing, to the gates, pushing back from gates, is like a choreographed dance that most people don't understand.

There was another incident reported about an unruly passenger on a JetBlue flight from JFK to Vegas. He was arguing with his family and then completely became unhinged (hitting the seats in front of him, trying to hit other passengers). The Captain made an emergency landing in Detroit to remove the passenger (rightfully so in this case). The news said these types of unruly passenger situations has increased from 5K in 2012 to 8K in 2013, and the FAA is now considering holding these passengers to the monetary amount that it costs an airline to divert and emergency land. They said it is in upwards of $200K in costs to an airline. I don't think this idea is half bad, because at the end of the day who is ultimately paying for these idiots? You and me, the people who can keep our butts in the seat and follow the instructions of the in-flight crew.

 

[jodifla]

I can't believe people are siding with Jet Blue on this.

Another Jet Blue pilot on the plane was the one who called BS on this and convinced the jerk of an airline attendant and the pilot to let them stay on the plane.

They wouldn't let a little girl up to go to the bathroom, but they were totally ready to disrupt the flight to haul everyone back to the gate.

 

[LilyWDW]

I can't believe people are siding with Jet Blue on this.

Another Jet Blue pilot on the plane was the one who called BS on this and convinced the jerk of an airline attendant and the pilot to let them stay on the plane.

They wouldn't let a little girl up to go to the bathroom, but they were totally ready to disrupt the flight to haul everyone back to the gate.

Rules are rules. I don't care if you are 3 or 33. When the plane is on the tarmac, you are supposed to stay belted in. Period. Mom then got mouthy with an FA who was asking her to FOLLOW the dang rules. Nothing more. Sounds like mom was the jerk to me.

 

[jodifla]

Rules are rules. I don't care if you are 3 or 33. When the plane is on the tarmac, you are supposed to stay belted in. Period. Mom then got mouthy with an FA who was asking her to FOLLOW the dang rules. Nothing more. Sounds like mom was the jerk to me.

Actually, rules aren't rules here. I've been on planes on the tarmac, and they HAVE allowed people up to use the bathrooms when the delays have stretched into hours. It can be done, and is done probably every day.


Again, the OTHER PILOT on the plane said the flight attendant and the planes pilot were wrong and were overreacting.

 

[jodifla]

This story details that Cabin Crews CAN AND DO let people use he bathroom when they are sitting on the tarmac. The only hard and fast rule is that no one can be up while taxing.

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/04/23/dot-considering-lifting-3-hour-tarmac-delay-rule/

Time your restroom visits: The cabin crew will let you use the bathroom if you're delayed, but we aware, if you're sitting on the tarmac for hours, the conditions will deteriorate quickly. Make sure you use the restrooms before you get on the plane, and then be strategic about when you make additional onboard trips.

 

[LBIJim]

http://news.yahoo.com/flight-attend...ate-seat-030606938.html?bcmt=comments-postbox

Of course, the plane sitting on the tarmac again was JetBlue. I don't know if they just have bad luck, but every story I read about a plane being stuck on a tarmac, it seems to be them.

I can see both sides of this story, but what I am absolutely fed up with the constant delays and ineptness of air traffic control. There are certain things we can do nothing about (weather, security, plane problems). However, I don't understand how a plane is allowed to board, pull away from the gate, but then gets stuck in "traffic" on the tarmac. This is nothing more than a screw-up by ATC somewhere along the line.

As for delays, I've said this for years - We pay A LOT of money to fly. Airlines need to start keeping extra planes at the larger airports in case of delays due to bad weather in other parts of the country. There is no reason why a flight coming from Seattle to Orlando delayed due to weather should delay a flight going from Orlando to Boston. One delay, and it's a domino effect.

If you think you pay a LOT of money to fly now, you'll be paying a LOT LOT more if airlines start keeping extra planes (and crews!!) on standby. One of the reasons for tarmac delays is because too many planes are flying due to "cheap" airfares.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Rules are rules. I don't care if you are 3 or 33. When the plane is on the tarmac, you are supposed to stay belted in. Period. Mom then got mouthy with an FA who was asking her to FOLLOW the dang rules. Nothing more. Sounds like mom was the jerk to me.

I side with Jet blue...

However--on my last flight, I was in the first row and a flight attendant used the bathroom while the plane was taxiing. The second flight attendant reached her jump side and buckled seconds before the wheels left the ground.

Mom was in the wrong--but I can see getting upset when the flight attendants have all this freedom.

That said, if 30 minutes meant an accident, then the child was not properly and adequately prepared for the flight. A pull up would have been an appropriate back up plan.

I would not hesitate to fly Jet Blue again.

 

[Art 1]

If you think you pay a LOT of money to fly now, you'll be paying a LOT LOT more if airlines start keeping extra planes (and crews!!) on standby. One of the reasons for tarmac delays is because too many planes are flying due to "cheap" airfares.

That's right, the masses wanted low cost air fares and they got it. Prices to fly are very low IMO. So along with cheap air fares comes so many of the problems we see today with flying.

 

[EMode]

Actually, rules aren't rules here. I've been on planes on the tarmac, and they HAVE allowed people up to use the bathrooms when the delays have stretched into hours. It can be done, and is done probably every day.


Again, the OTHER PILOT on the plane said the flight attendant and the planes pilot were wrong and were overreacting.

But do we know anything about the delay, was it going to be hours or was it going to be within an hour?
I side with the flight attendant not letting the child up to use the bathroom, and I side with them for not letting the mother out of her seat and up because (and I am assuming this) they had no idea if they were going to start taxiing at any moment.
However I do think that turning the plane around and bringing the mom to security was way over the top. If the mom got mouthy I think a little compassion and understanding for the position she was in would have been nice. The flight attendant could have easily told the mom that as soon as she was able she would help her clean up the accident, she didn't have to try to have her kicked off the flight.

 

[Planogirl]

Prices are "low" but people are packed in like sardines and the fees keep increasing and amenities keep disappearing. I'm glad that others are happy with the way things are but they were so much nicer not really all that long ago.

Also, rules are definitely rules and should be followed but sometimes rules are just plain silly. I'm sure that we've all thought that at some point.

 

[lsyorke]

But do we know anything about the delay, was it going to be hours or was it going to be within an hour?

However I do think that turning the plane around and bringing the mom to security was way over the top.

Two key points. If this was all about not delaying the plane, then the return to the gate pretty much says that delaying wasn't the priority.

A quick call to the captain to find out what number they were in line for take off may have been the easiest way to figure out if they had 2 minutes for this child to go to the bathroom.

 

[EMode]

Two key points. If this was all about not delaying the plane, then the return to the gate pretty much says that delaying wasn't the priority.

A quick call to the captain to find out what number they were in line for take off may have been the easiest way to figure out if they had 2 minutes for this child to go to the bathroom.

Maybe so but I don't have an issue with any flight attendant making sure passengers remain seated when they are supposed to remain seated. This flight attendant could have handled things way differently though that is for sure.

 

[Tozzie]

Actually, rules aren't rules here. I've been on planes on the tarmac, and they HAVE allowed people up to use the bathrooms when the delays have stretched into hours. It can be done, and is done probably every day.


Again, the OTHER PILOT on the plane said the flight attendant and the planes pilot were wrong and were overreacting.

Actually rules are rules, just because you were once on a plane and they once let a passenger use a restroom doens't mean it happens and a lot depends weather the plane is stationary or moving could move at any moment. Since you weren't there you don't know the situation and yes I will side with jet blue and please provide a link where this other pilot said they were wrong , all I read is he came to the womans defense about not getting ejected from the plane, but he didn't intervene when she wanted to get up

Again I will side with jet blue.

 

[sonofanarchy]

That's right, the masses wanted low cost air fares and they got it. Prices to fly are very low IMO. So along with cheap air fares comes so many of the problems we see today with flying.

I guess it depends on when and where you fly. In just about 10 years, I'm paying double, sometimes more, to fly to Orlando.