George Zimmerman Trial ......

[chobie]

iF interested, here is a list of the lesser offenses that can automatically be included for the jury.

SECOND DEGREE (DEPRAVED MIND) MURDER — 782.04(2)

CATEGORY ONE FLA. STAT. INS. NO.
Manslaughter 782.07

CATEGORY TWO FLA.STAT.INS. MO.
Third degree (felony) murder 782.04(4)
Vehicular homicide 782.071
Attempt 777.04(1)
Culpable negligence 784.05(2)
Culpable negligence 784.05(1)
Felony battery 784.041
Aggravated battery 784.045
Aggravated assault 784.021
Battery 784.03
Assault 784.011 8.1

Yes, only the category 1 is automatic.

 

[chobie]

Double post, sorry.

 

[joviroxx]

BTW, I see two major inconsistencies. The first is about the circling of the car and the second is, IIRC, his statment that he got on TM and held his arms out but TM was found with his arms under him.

I think, because of these two, he will need to testify.

 

[joviroxx]

OK, legal Chobie, a question. As Im reading, GZ's statements cannot be brought into evidence by the defense as they are considered hearsay. By not bringing them in, GZ would have to testify to his side of the story, But, the State has pretty much allowed his side of the story without GZ having to be on the stand.

If inconsistencies can be brought about with GZ on the stand, what is your opinion on why the State did this.. Legal eagles are saying it was a mistake.

 

[sunshinehighway]

BTW, I see two major inconsistencies. The first is about the circling of the car and the second is, IIRC, his statment that he got on TM and held his arms out but TM was found with his arms under him.

I think, because of these two, he will need to testify.

Another would be where he says he went down from the punch vs. where the witnesses saw then fighting and the body was found.

 

[usnuzuloose]

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Officer Singleton is back on the stand. Bernie is asking her about the injuries that she saw on #Zimmerman that day.

 

[chobie]

OK, legal Chobie, a question. As Im reading, GZ's statements cannot be brought into evidence by the defense as they are considered hearsay. By not bringing them in, GZ would have to testify to his side of the story, But, the State has pretty much allowed his side of the story without GZ having to be on the stand.

If inconsistencies can be brought about with GZ on the stand, what is your opinion on why the State did this.. Legal eagles are saying it was a mistake.

Just a guess, but because the judge ruled that GZ's statements made at the scene where excited utterances ( it was self-defense, he was
going to kill me), testimony that TM was on top of GZ, and some injury, the cat is already out of the bag for self-defense so they could get the jury instruction.

But now, by showing the jury all his inconsistencies, they can conclude he's lying and he's lying because he knows he committed a crime. It also makes it more likley the defense will put him on the stand to explain away those inconsistencies.

Just a guess, I would like to hear what legal experts are saying.

 

[usnuzuloose]

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Video tape of medical technician taking DNA sample of #Zimmerman is playing.

 

[sunshinehighway]

OK, legal Chobie, a question. As Im reading, GZ's statements cannot be brought into evidence by the defense as they are considered hearsay. By not bringing them in, GZ would have to testify to his side of the story, But, the State has pretty much allowed his side of the story without GZ having to be on the stand.

If inconsistencies can be brought about with GZ on the stand, what is your opinion on why the State did this.. Legal eagles are saying it was a mistake.

Not Chobie but I'd guess its because their biggest argument against self defense are his statements not fitting into the rest of the puzzle. Everything else is a guessing game.

By bringing that in he either has to testify and try to clear it up or leave the jury to draw their own conclusions.

 

[usnuzuloose]

He makes a statement about killing someone, but is surprised that TM is dead?

 

[usnuzuloose]

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O'Mara is up cross examining Dorris now. Light gray suit with blueberry tie. #Zimmerman

 

[usnuzuloose]

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Bernie is choc' full o' jections to O'Mara's questions pertaining to a witness that documented #Trayvon smashing #Zimmerman's head to ground

 

[chobie]

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Bernie is choc' full o' jections to O'Mara's questions pertaining to a witness that documented #Trayvon smashing #Zimmerman's head to ground

Hopefully he's making proper objections today

 

[djm99]

Another would be where he says he went down from the punch vs. where the witnesses saw then fighting and the body was found.

This is the most important. If jurors believe GZ pursued TM they will likely believe it was GZ confronting TM and not the other way around. Assuming this, jurors could find GZ guilty or 2nd degree murder or manslaughter - BOTH end with life sentences.


Florida has the 10, 20, life mandatory sentences. 10 years for use of fire arms during a crime, 20 for a firearm being shot, Life in prison for a death of a person during a crime.

 

[usnuzuloose]

excitement...

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Someone was just ejected for their phones making noise it seems. #Zimmerman

 

[usnuzuloose]

Hopefully he's making proper objections today

I am trying to multi task. I am trying to stay on top of a few things at once.

 

[usnuzuloose]

walking away is not being concerned. Running away TM may have been afraid.

 

[djm99]

Defense gets officer to say that she believed, because of GZ statement, that GZ being neighborhood watch would know the name of the streets and he wanted to get out of his car vs him saying he got out of his car to find the street name.

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[usnuzuloose]

Defense gets officer to say that she believed because of GZ statement that she believed GZ being neighborhood watch would know the name of the streets and he wanted to get out of his car.

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Should of known the street, yup he came out of bushes, but then did not know where he came from. Shouldn't he be able to point out what bush?

 

[sunshinehighway]

This is the most important. If jurors believe GZ pursued TM they will likely believe it was GZ confronting TM and not the other way around. Assuming this, jurors could find GZ guilty or 2nd degree murder or manslaughter - BOTH end with life sentences.


Florida has the 10, 20, life mandatory sentences. 10 years for use of fire arms during a crime, 20 for a firearm being shot, Life in prison for a death of a person during a crime.

I think all the inconsistencies are important because everything depends on whether the jury believes GZ.

The location of the actual fight vs. Where he said it was is important because if he went down right away, he wasn't near the T and if he didn't go down right away, what was he doing between the punch and going down?