George Bush

Ooops, here I am again! :p

I just had to come back and say we are doing the Saturday football/soccer game regime that we do every Saturday, and then going to see Shark Tales, but we're all terribly jealous of Miss Jasmine:

Originally posted by Miss Jasmine
DH and I are going to MGM tomorrow for part of the day

:p

Have a fun weekend, all!
 
There are two or three posters on each side who, whenever they post, are saying something sarcastic, negative, etc.. almost every single time they post. I'd say it's pretty evenly divided between dems and repubs. These handful of posters really ruin the debates for the rest of us.

I am a political junkie. I could talk plotics morning, noon and night. We even had a national health care debate on here that went on for a lot of pages that was very constructive before one or two people can along and ruined it for the rest of us.

As for that handful, they probably know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves. :wave2:


Now, this weekend, we plan to clean out the basement. We are moving next summer (did I mention that we are moving??) and we hav a bunch of stuff to do in the house in order to sell it. It all starts with the basement, I am SO scared of the basement....
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
I too was shocked to see George Bush and caitycaty in the same sentence :smooth:

Well, just to be fair and balanced, here's a GWB bash from a Bush supporter... he's spends too much money, is wrong on immigration, is wrong on steel tarriffs, is wrong on a gay marriage amendment.

I did notice this George Bush thread was started by caitycaty but I thought maybe it was a place where people would comment postively on why they are PRO-Bush instead of spending their time bashing Senator Kerry and his supporters.

Although I agree with those that are fearful of another 4 years of a Bush Administration, I wouldn't mind reading why people who are Pro-Bush feel that way - as in what do they think he has accomplished in the past 4 years. Instead I feel that all I read in the debate threads are BUSH! & this is why Kerry is so dangerous, so liberal, so whatever. It would work alot better if each side would just explain WHY THEY ARE FOR THE PERSON THEY ARE FOR instead of what is so wrong with the opponent.
 
Originally posted by LoraJ
LoL!

Shall we start a thread with Bush Lies? Or would we be stooping to their level.

Knock yourself out. There are no Bush "lies" = there are LOTS of Democrat lies about the Bush "lies" however.

Democrats would have to get a high-rise fire ladder to reach the lowest rung of GOP politics.

Democrats run the most hypocritically dishonest and mean-spirited campaigns of any political party that has ever existed in the USA. You would have to go to WWII Germany to find anything to compare to the Democrat smear and distortion machine.
 

Originally posted by Island_Lauri
I wouldn't mind reading why people who are Pro-Bush feel that way - as in what do they think he has accomplished in the past 4 years.

Bush has:

1) - He reversed the recession that he inherited.
The "5 trillion dollar surplus" the democrats like to crow about was a PROJECTED surplus based on the run-away-bubble economy of the 90's. Thre was no surplus - it disappeared as soon as the bubble burst.

2) - He actually did something about improving education.
While the democrats like to moan about education problems they never do anything to fix them. All they do is fund the failures. Bush actually took on education as a priority of his administration and accomplished a comprehensive reform of the system.
While it is not perfect - (it would be a lot better if the democrats would quit trying to kill his initiative and quit trying to circumvent his ideas) - it is still a major accomplishment.

3) - He actually did something about prescription drugs for the elderly.
While the democrats have been whining about it for decades, they never even tried to fix it = because democrats would rather have a problem to whine about than a solution to the problem. And again, while it is not perfect - (it would have been better without the democrat obstruction of the initiative and their attempts to overload it with unaffordable "poison pills") - it still represents a significant achievement. It is something that can be built upon. Democrats are unhappy because they cannot whine about it anymore.

4) - He cleaned up the swamp of corporate corrupton that had been gathering for the past decade.

5) - He restored traditional American honor and integrity to the White House.

6) - He led the nation through an unimaginable crisis with calm resolve.
I could post several pages of what he has accomplished in his war on terror, but here are the highlights:
- Afghanistan is now a free democracy - just completed its first election
- Iraq is now a free democracy - looking forward to its first election.
- Al Qaeda no longer has an open welcome anywhere in the world.
- The leaders of AlQaeda are marked men in every country in the world and their finances are being shut off
- Libya has voluntarily disarmed its WMD programs and has joined the rank of responsible nations.
- The world actually respects the USA now. They no longer treat the USA as a big dumb giant that they can use for their own purposes. They are pouting now, hoping we will elect another sap that they can dominate, but after the election, they will come around when they realize the new sheriff is really there to stay.
- The Bush Doctrine will become a hallmark of foreign policy for the next half century and beyond. That alone is enough to rank Bush in the top 10 of all presidents once history has proclaimed its verdict.


I could go on and on - but I suspect the questioner doesn't really want to hear it.

I suspect the questioner assumes that the lies told about Bush are believed by normal people, and assumes that anyone who actually tells the truth about Bush's record must be living in a cave.

QUESTION =====

What are the reasons someone might have for supporting Kerry?

I would GENUINELY like to hear those.

In fact. I would like for someone to post a list of Kerry's accomplishements over the past thirty years.

List em - large and small - start listing
 
Originally posted by Rokkitsci
You would have to go to WWII Germany to find anything to compare to the Democrat smear and distortion machine.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm sorry, but that was just such an over-the-top, obtuse, ridiculous comparison that I had to laugh. And you're calling the Democrats "mean-spirited?"

:earsboy:
 
Originally posted by WDSearcher
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm sorry, but that was just such an over-the-top, obtuse, ridiculous comparison that I had to laugh. And you're calling the Democrats "mean-spirited?"

:earsboy:

::yes::

That's coming from the guy who called undecided voters idiots.
 
Originally posted by jrydberg
I'd agree that there really isn't any reasoned discussion of political points of view on here lately.

But just to be clear, that is certainly not the exclusive province of Bush supporters. I know, I know -- there are plenty of Bush supporters who engage in such tactics.

But I assure you there are plenty of Kerry supporters who are equally angry, equally interested in shouting down one's opinion and equally convinced that Sen. Kerry is infallible.

One tends to highlight the transgressions of those who you oppose more than those who join you in support. I'm not trying to get into an argument of who's worse. The point is it's going on from both sides more and more. And frankly, it makes these boards a much less interesting place.


Have I ever told you how much I enjoy your postings??? I don't think I have but you always say what I want to say in a way that can not possibly offend anyone and I really admire that.
 
Thanks ToriLammy! Appreciate it :)

Just so you know, one of the things I really enjoy on here is your NASCAR threads :) Though I'd enjoy them much more if I picked better! :p

I've only rarely seen you post on political threads, but when you have, you've always made a good, respectful and reasoned point.

As for the weekend, I've got a friend coming in from out of town for the weekend. We'll probably do some touristy things. Hope everyone has a good weekend.
 
Totally off topic here, jrydberg, but I have to ask. What is your daughter (I'm assuming it's your daughter in the picture) doing?

I can't decide if she's eating something, talking on a CB radio, singing or yawning. Not that it makes any difference -- she's adorable -- but I was just wondering.

:earsboy:
 
Nice thread!

I will vote for Kerry, I will not bash Bush.
My mind will not change and neither will the minds of Bush supports....

so.. how about we all just get along :teeth:
 
Originally posted by Snoopy....

Why does everything have to be so angry and polarized? The level of anger is such a turn off. I'm uncomfortable around it, and I know I'm not the only one. Its neither interesting nor informative, and it sure as heck isn't fun reading.

I couldn't agree with you more Snoopy :D . I just don't understand why every political thread has to turn into mean-spirited diatribes. Both sides are guilty of doing this and it's quite sad. You can say things respectfully and still get your point across, personally I think that people respond to that approach much better. Particularly if you are hoping to convince others of your cause.

I know it seems irrational, but sometimes I just want to vote for "the other guy" because one of the candidates' supporters has come across as rude or engaged in name-calling!

The bottom line is that of course this election is important. Most certainly there will be strong emotions all around. But we are fortunate to live in a country where BOTH of our main candidates are generally GOOD men, family men. They have a genuine concern for this country and the people who live in it. AND we have a constitution and system of checks and balances that guarantees that neither of these men can make ALL the decisions and single-handedly destroy our country. I am just as concerned about the congressmen we elect, as ultimately they too are responsible for the direction this country takes.

Have a great weekend everyone. Play nice! :teeth:
 
What a "bizarro" political thread!

I always think it would be interesting to see how different the tone of these discussions would be if everyone was sitting around a table instead of posting replies on the DIS.

I intend to vote for President Bush, but I'll have to admit that the pro-Bush "mean-spirited" threads have become more common in the last few weeks. We need to get wvrevy back in these debates to even things up!:teeth:
 
Originally posted by manchurianbrownbear
What a "bizarro" political thread!

I always think it would be interesting to see how different the tone of these discussions would be if everyone was sitting around a table instead of posting replies on the DIS.

I intend to vote for President Bush, but I'll have to admit that the pro-Bush "mean-spirited" threads have become more common in the last few weeks. We need to get wvrevy back in these debates to even things up!:teeth:

ITA and where is wvrevy anyway? He posted at least a thread a day and sometimes more!::yes::
 
I have read most of the political threads this election year with interest, but the interest is decreasing quickly.

I see threads dominated by a few who tend to be, um, well, impolite (to be gentle).

That goes for both sides of the aisle.

But I have also spent the last 4 years being referred to as a "Bushie", seeing the President of the United States referred to as "Shrub", being called a "neo-con" (Which, BTW is an incorrect use of the term), hearing how the election was "Stolen" (it wasn't), how former Vice President Gore really won (he didn't), etc. etc.

To say the boards are dominated by the right is, IMHO, incorrect.

That does not mean I'm thrilled with the job President Bush has done.

But he has done a good enough job to be re-elected. I look at Presidential elections like a Prize Fight. To beat the incumbent, you have to score a knockout & be a CLEAR improvement. Senator Kerry (IMHO, again) falls short in pretty much all categories.

Well, just to be fair and balanced, here's a GWB bash from a Bush supporter... he's spends too much money, is wrong on immigration, is wrong on steel tarriffs, is wrong on a gay marriage amendment.

Agreed on the 1st 3, undecided on the 4th.
 
I seldom post to the political "discussion" threads. They are a bit too hot for my taste. I don't like bashing from either side.

You know, I keep thinking that terrorists probably love the fact that our nation is so divided. I understand being enthusiastic in your support of your candidate, but name-calling and cruel remarks are childish and low. They just cause more division and hate. That's not healthy.

I say we should agree to respectfully disagree at times, but stay one united front. After all, we are all Americans. I will not always agree with the things a particular party or president does, but another chance for change comes up every four years.

I think a lot of the trouble this election year comes from fear. The Bush supporters are afraid of what will happen if Kerry gets in office and the Kerry supporters are afraid of what will happen if Bush remains in office. Personally, I fall under one of those scenerios, but I'm fighting the fear. I want to have faith instead of fear. I believe that no matter what happens, the candidate wants the best for our country. So I'm praying that the winner will find wisdom and be led in the right direction.
 
Originally posted by Rokkitsci
QUESTION =====

What are the reasons someone might have for supporting Kerry?

I would GENUINELY like to hear those.

In fact. I would like for someone to post a list of Kerry's accomplishements over the past thirty years.

List em - large and small - start listing

Sorry but this is going to be a VERY LONG POST - after all he does have a 20 year record:

-- Kerry Wrote Parts of the Patriot Act to Crack Down on Terrorism
1. Kerry authored money laundering provisions in the PATRIOT Act. He believes those provisions should be strengthened to include non-bank institutions and increase funding for information gathering and sharing.-- Kerry spoke in favor of applying the same laws against terrorists we use against crime


2. Kerry Wrote Legislation to Extend Health Insurance to Needy Children; Voted for Additional Funding to Expand the Program. In 1996, Kerry wrote the "Healthy Children, Family Assistance Health Insurance Program" to allow "families who do not qualify for Medicaid, but who are financially unable to purchase private insurance, to be given government subsidies to purchase private coverage for their children. 'This is a serious effort to stop the political bickering and help the millions of children without health insurance lead better and healthier lives, and give their parents the peace of mind they deserve,' Kerry said." (American Health Line, 6/21/96)

Boston Globe Called Kerry "Author" of Children's Health Bill. "Did it sound a little familiar when Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Senator Edward M. Kennedy announced their Hatch-Kennedy bill guaranteeing health coverage for the nation's 10.5 million uninsured children? Maybe you recalled that last year there was a very similar plan known as Kennedy-Kerry, with second billing for Senator John F. Kerry. Extra credit if you remembered that its original name was the Kerry bill, in honor of its author." (Boston Globe, 3/30/97)

In 1993, Senator Kerry voted for the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, the largest and most specific deficit reduction plan ever enacted.
3. In l994, John Kerry introduced legislation to make $85 billion in specific program budget cuts over five years, and also led a group of five Senators in sponsoring another package to cut $43 billion from the deficit over the same time period.

4. In 1995, Senator Kerry built on his deficit reduction record by authoring The Responsible Deficit Reduction Act -- which proposed to cut unnecessary and wasteful government spending by more than $90 billion. In addition, he fought alongside Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) to reduce more than $60 billion in wasteful "corporate welfare" from the federal budget. Most recently, John Kerry has supported two plans which balance the budget by the year 2002.

While cutting out government waste, John Kerry is also busy making sure that businesses are not unduly burdened by government regulation. A member of the Senate Banking and Small Business Committees, Senator Kerry was instrumental in easing the "credit crunch" in Massachusetts in the early 1990s and in increasing by a factor of six the amount of Small Business Administration funds available for loans to small businesses. And his efforts do not stop at the border.

As a member of the Senate Commerce and Foreign Relations Committees, Senator Kerry is deeply involved in the effort to develop better ways for American companies to access international markets so they can create more jobs at home.

5. He authored legislation to create new incentives for investment in start-up companies and to promote advanced and environmental technologies. He successfully pushed legislation for targeted preferential capital gains treatment of investment in new enterprises, and has been a leading advocate of a permanent research and development tax credit. Since coming to the Senate, he has sought prudent reform of U.S. export controls.

John Kerry firmly believes that business and environmental interests are interrelated, particularly in today's competitive, global marketplace. For example, on fishery issues, Senator Kerry looks for balanced and sustainable approaches that preserve fishery resources and traditional coastal communities, and has pressed for global bans of such destructive practices as commercial whaling and large-scale driftnet fishing.

6. He also has authored critical conservation bills like the Fishery Conservation Amendments of 1990, the Sustainable Fisheries Act and the Atlantic Coastal Cooperative Fishery Management Act. Kerry was a key backer of the Marine Mammal Protection Act Reauthorization and the Flood Insurance Reform Act, both of which became law in 1993. He is co-chairman of GLOBE-USA, an international group of legislators dedicated to forging an international environmental agenda.

Senator Kerry is well aware of the anger and cynicism felt toward Washington as a result of the perception of undue influence that special-interest money has on government via campaign finance. For that reason, long before his colleagues, he decided to refuse campaign contributions from special interest Political Action Committees (PACs). His was the first PAC-free Senate race in recent history. He was deeply involved in the successful effort to obtain Senate passage of the 1993 campaign finance reform bill, and continues to be a leader in the push for campaign finance reform.

As a former prosecutor, John Kerry knows about the best strategy necessary to fight crime. He helped lead the fight for passage of the toughest federal crime bill in a generation. During the 1994 legislative session, Kerry forcefully argued to the President and his Senate colleagues the vital need to put 100,000 new police on the streets and to increase funding for the Senate crime bill from $5.9 billion to $22.6 billion. He also won preliminary approval for the innovative proposal to establish a Police Corps that would add 80,000 new people annually to local police forces while creating educational and job opportunities for young people.

As a senior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee, Senator Kerry is recognized as a leader in the creation of a new foreign policy in the wake of the Cold War. He has also won plaudits for his deft handling of the critical State Department Authorization Act, of which he was the manager and principal sponsor in 1994.

In addition to his work on issues affecting Massachusetts citizens, John Kerry is a member of the Senate Democratic Leadership. As Chairman of the Senate Democratic Steering and Coordination Committee, John Kerry works with other senators in developing better communication, coordination and partnerships with various groups and individuals across the country. These include citizen groups, advocacy coalitions, alliances at national, state, and local levels, and state and local elected officials including governors, mayors, state legislators, and others.
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http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/issues/e...ent_record.html
Global Warming and Ozone Depletion
Senator Kerry has been a leader in the national and international effort to reduce the threat of global warming. The Senator has called on the Bush Administration to fix and finalize the Kyoto Protocol on Climate Change, an international agreement to reduce global warming pollution.

7. He authored a successful amendment to the Fiscal Year 2002 budget resolution that increased funding for renewable energy, energy efficiency and climate change research. Additionally, he authored a resolution that passed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee calling on the Bush Administration to engage in international efforts to mitigate the threat of climate change.

8. Senator Kerry authored bipartisan legislation with Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska that would require the reporting of greenhouse gas emissions, one of the first of its kind to be introduced in the Congress. This legislation would provide the framework for understanding how the nation can best reduce air pollution and the threat of global warming.
• Senator Kerry has worked closely with the City of Boston to prevent flooding and develop open space along the Muddy River which runs from Brookline through the Boston Fenway to the Charles River.

Preserving Our Natural Landscape
9. The Senator authored an amendment to the Water Resources Development Act of 1999 authorizing the Army Corps of Engineers to study a comprehensive plan for the Muddy River. The legislation became law and the basis for additional study, funding and project development.

• Senator Kerry lead the effort to urge the White House to select the East Coast Greenway—a proposed non-motorized trail extending from Maine to Florida—as one of the National Flagship Millennium Trails.

10. The Senator authored a bipartisan letter to the White House, and the trail was selected. The Massachusetts portion of the trail is planned to run up the Blackstone Heritage Corridor to Worcester, then east to Boston and finally to New Hampshire.
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11. Senator Kerry was the co-author with former Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) of the successful effort to halt an annual $2 million subsidy for the mink industry - terminating a taxpayer give-away to the corporate mink industry. Kerry and Smith shepherded this amendment through the Senate during debate on the Fiscal Year 1995 Agriculture Appropriations Act, and they have repelled subsequent efforts by legislators aligned with the mink industry to revive the taxpayer boondoggle.

12. Kerry has also been the co-author, with Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA), of letters in recent years sent to the leaders of the Senate Subcommittee on Agriculture Appropriations to increase funding for existing animal protection laws, including the Animal Welfare Act and the Humane Slaughter Act. Thanks in part to his leadership - and collaborating with the powerful senior member of the Appropriations Committee, Robert C. Byrd -- the Congress has provided more than $26 million in new funds for animal protection programs in recent years. Kerry has cosponsored almost every piece of animal protection legislation - including measures to combat cockfighting, bear baiting, canned hunts, puppy mills, the bear parts trade, the exotic pet trade, steel-jawed leghold traps, and the abuse of "downed" livestock - introduced on behalf of animals.
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13. Kerry wrote the legislation that created the COPS (Community Oriented Policing) program, which put thousands of new police officers on the streets, and supported laws to crack down on money laundering and international drug dealers. As President, John Kerry wants to fight illegal drugs by targeting the drug traffickers, and fully fund drug prevention and treatment to reduce the demand for illegal drugs.

John Kerry and Federal Fire Fighters
John Kerry believes that federal fire fighters should have the same rights as their municipal counterparts.
14. He is the author of the Federal Presumptive Disability legislation, S. 530, in the Senate. This bill will provide parity to federal fire fighters with their municipal counterparts in classifying certain cancers and heart ailments as job related ailments. John Kerry has supported federal fire fighters throughout his Senate career, cosponsoring the Fire Fighters Pay Fairness Act in two Congresses. This legislation would ensure equality between federal fire fighters and public sector fire fighters.
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http://www.blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archive...2003_12_07.html
U.S. Soldiers serving in Iraq are facing shortfalls in equipment including 1) special body armor, 2) armored Humvees to protect against guerilla attacks, 3) advanced anti-missile systems for helicopters.

Body Armor
One-fourth of the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq are still waiting for the latest body armor. The Department of Defense says it will be the end of January 2004 before all the troops have been outfitted. $61 million would provide funding to purchase more than 40,000 sets of body armor ($1500 each).

15. John Kerry has introduced legislation requiring the Department of Defense to reimburse family members who paid money out of their own pockets to provide the personal body armor that the government failed to deliver.
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http://www.dontbefueled.org/legislation/past.shtml
2002 CAFE Legislation
16. In February of 2002, Senators John Kerry, a Democrat of Massachusetts, and John McCain, an Arizona Republican, drafted a bipartisan bill that would raise CAFE standards for all vehicles to 36 mpg. Democrats from Michigan prevailed in passing a competing proposal that directed NHTSA to consider CAFE within two years, and to take into account potential job losses and other economic impacts of changes to the CAFE standards. The Kerry-McCain proposal was shelved.
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http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/000435.html
17. Kerry did, introduce S. 2116, the Welfare Reform and Housing Act.
The bill conforms immigrant eligibility for HUD rental housing programs to other federal programs by confirming that qualified battered immigrants and Cuban/Haitian entrants are eligible. The 1996 federal welfare law provides access to most federal public benefits for qualified immigrants, including battered immigrants and Cuban/Haitian entrants. However, section 214 of the Housing and Community Development Act, an earlier statute that governs eligibility for HUD programs, does not include these two immigrant categories.
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http://www.fishresearch.org/Articles/2003/01/groundfish.asp
Associated Fisheries of Maine and the Trawlers Survival Fund have drafted proposed legislation, which already has been circulated to congressional aides, that they hope Congress will consider to alter the rebuilding situation.
18. Even prior to this industry initiative, US Sens. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and John Kerry (D-MA) recognized the magnitude of the problem and authored a bill to clarify that the secretary of commerce has authority to extend the rebuilding timelines under certain conditions.
This extra flexibility would "allow managers to meet social and ecological needs of the fishery," said the senators.
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http://daily.iaff.org/2004LegCon/031504speech.htm
19. He authored the Mychal Judge Act to hire 100,000 fire fighters that helped propel the passage of the SAFER Act, shortly after that most catastrophic day.
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Preservation Matching Grant Legislation
http://www.nlihc.org/mtm/mtm5-24.htm
20. Senators Rick Santorum (R-PA), John Kerry (D-MA) and Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) have introduced a Senate companion bill to the House-passed H.R. 202. Included in this legislation is a preservation matching grant program similar to the one established in H.R. 202. Portions of H.R. 202 were enacted in 1999 but several of the bill’s provisions were not. This bill tries to jump-start action on these issues in the Senate. The Santorum-Kerry-Sarbanes bill includes the preservation matching grant program, language to refinance Section 202 elderly housing, the authorization of appropriations for supportive housing for the elderly and people with disabilities, the expansion housing opportunities for the elderly and people with disabilities and provisions regarding mortgage insurance for health care facilities and home equity conversion mortgages.

A preservation matching grant program would give communities another tool to maintain affordable rental housing currently subsidized by the federal government but at risk of leaving the subsidy system. The grants would be administered by HUD and would go to state and local governments and could be used to provide assistance for acquiring buildings, rehabilitation, operating costs and capital expenditures. State and local funds would be matched on an one-for-one basis. Federal funds that states and localities choose to use for preservation (e.g., low income housing tax credits, HOME, CDBG, etc.) will be matched on a 50% basis.

The preservation matching grant program’s history in the Senate is rooted in S. 1318, a bill authored by Senators Jeffords (R-VT), Kerry, Grams (R-MN), Wellstone (D-MN) and Sarbanes.
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He drafted the CHIPS bill with Kennedy that extended healthcare coverage
to children in every state. It was kennedy-Kerry Bill but when Orrin Hatch signed on Kerry's name was dropped as per rules of the Senate. (The Repubs try to spin it as if Kerry dropped the ball)

He also helped draft the bill that added100,000 cops on the street.

21. He helped draft the Hate Crimes bill.

22. He drafted the first gayfriendly anti-discrimination bill in the Senate in 1985. None would sign on to it with him or advocate with him. Too politically incorrect back then, I guess.

23. He helped draft the Kyoto Protocol for almost 10 years.

24. Using FHA Surpluses To Create A Federal Housing Trust Fund
http://www.housingamerica.net/body_fha_surplus_study.htm
Policy Recommendations
1. Allocate FHA Surpluses for Building Affordable Housing Current law does not require FHA surpluses to be spent on addressing housing needs. The Clinton Administration and Congress should allocate the existing $5 billion FHA surplus for building housing for the more than 200,000 working families that would benefit from this use.

2. Create a Federal Housing Trust Fund Senator Kerry (D-Mass.) will soon introduce legislation creating a Federal Housing Trust Fund to ensure that FHA surpluses are legally earmarked for building affordable housing.

25. Kerry Authored the HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Assistance Legislation. John Kerry wrote the Aids Assistance legislation to help establish a comprehensive, integrated, five year strategy to combat the global spread of HIV and AIDS. It also significantly increases the funding for HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria prevention and treatment programs. 'The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward," said Senator Frist. "It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS'." (Office of Senator Bill Frist, press release 7/12/02)

26. John Kerry is the author of the "Nurse Reinvestment Act" which will help end the nursing shortage in the United States and is threatening our health care system. Kerry's legislation provides scholarships for nursing students, establishes training grants for nurses, offers grants to nursing schools for loan programs, institutes career ladder programs, creates a nurse retention and patient safety enhancement grant, and provides for a public service announcement campaign to promote the nursing profession. Dr. Charles H. Roadman II, Pres. of the American Health Care Association said Kerry was "deserving of praise" for his work to pass the bill. (CQ Weekly, 4/24/03; 107th Congress, S. 706; Oncology Nursing Soc. website: ONS Supported Legis. 107th Congress; US Newswire 4/6/01; Wash Times, Letters, 7/28/02)

John Kerry, Protecting Americas Nurses
http://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61212

Fighting for America's Nurses
Throughout his career, John Kerry has proudly stood with and fought for America’s nurses. Kerry teamed with Ted Kennedy to fight against mandatory overtime. He co-authored the Nurse Reinvestment Act encourage more nurses to enter the workforce and improve training, education, and retention for those who are there today. And Kerry worked closely with nurses in Brockton, Mass. when they were forced to strike for better pay and working conditions. As President, John Kerry will continue to be a tireless advocate for nurses.

Priorities
1. End Mandatory Overtime: The Kennedy-Kerry legislation will place strict limitations on the mandatory overtime hours a nurse may be required to work.
2. Ensure Safe Staffing Levels
3. Combat the Nursing Shortage:. John Kerry co-authored the Nurse Reinvestment Act to encourage more nurses to enter the workforce and improve training, education, and retention for those who are there today. He believes we must fully fund this legislation.
4. Comprehensive Whistle Blower Protection
5. Strong and Enforceable Rules for a Safe and Healthy
6. Fighting for the Right to Choose a Union
7. Reduce Medication Errors and Stop the Scapegoating of Nurses
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Originally posted by Island_Lauri
Sorry but this is going to be a VERY LONG POST - after all he does have a 20 year record:

WHOA - well I did ask for it and you provided it.

I appreciate your effort. I will try to make some cogent remarks, but I admit I may shortchange something that you think is important.

Before I start on my response, I have to ask - Were you aware of any of this on your own (assuming you are not a long-time Kerry operative) - or did you just copy it from various websites provided by the Kerry campaign. This is not meant to dismiss your effort - but to call attention to the fact that if you allow anyone to provide their own words about themselves, they can puff up the insignificant, play down the significant, and insert themselves into a postion of importance where they really had no real contribution for things that turned out good, and avoid their association with anything that turned out badly. This is the nature of politics.

I might add this. I am an armchair political junkie. I belong to no organization. I register GOP. I almost always vote GOP based on the principles of the party, and will vote against DEMs because of my personal opposition to their principles. BUT, prior to Kerry running for the nomination, I was vaguely aware of his existence, mainly as a sort of "trivial question" - as in who is the "other" senator that has the name "Kerry" - since everyone knew of Bob Kerrey of Nebraska. My point is that I was personally aware of, and had opinions about, almost every senator in the capitol. Certainly I knew of all the important ones. I had no idea of John Kerry of Mass, other than the trivia question. Had he been John Jamison, I would have had no idea at all about who he was, meaning that he had never done anything to catch my attention. He was a nobody. I was shocked to learn that he had been there TWENTY YEARS and had never caught my attention. Had YOU ever heard anything about him before he began running for president?

OK - to some of your points =====

Here will be my response to all of your items that say "kerry authored parts of . . . " or "kerry contributed to . . . . " etc.
That merely means that he was there a long time. All senators are assigned to committees. Whether they ever show up or not, they can, by virture of their committee appointment, claim to have "authored" parts of anything that came before the committee.

So, I do not feel compelled to grant him much in the way of significance if there is no commonly understood activity that he actually performed - in public - or was referred to in the communications about the subject as 'one of the prime movers.'

For instance - on the Patriot Bill, I think that Kerry's performance was workmanlike, just as was the other senators who contributed. It was his job. I don't recall his being out front trying to get it passed. Perhaps he was active in Mass.

***Boston Globe Called Kerry "Author" of Children's Health Bill. "Did it sound a little familiar when Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Senator Edward M. Kennedy announced their Hatch-Kennedy bill guaranteeing health coverage for the nation's 10.5 million uninsured children? Maybe you recalled that last year there was a very similar plan known as Kennedy-Kerry, with second billing for Senator John F. Kerry. Extra credit if you remembered that its original name was the Kerry bill, in honor of its author." (Boston Globe, 3/30/97)***

I will cede this one - important subject, and I was, and am, unaware of it, however I live far away from the Boston Globe coverage, so I will accept it as a valid contribution.

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In 1993, Senator Kerry voted for the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, the largest and most specific deficit reduction plan ever enacted.
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And he voted against the measures that got it done in 1998.

Also - can you detail the differences between that act in 1993 and the almost identical act in 1990 that GBush 41 signed into law - you know - the one that Democrats claim led to the "worst economy in 50 years?" They both 'cost' about 500 billion dollars. But one was BAD (because Bush was president) and the other was GOOD (because Clinton was president).

I for one, was against both of them - but they were equally good or bad - take your pick - but you cannot claim one was good and the other bad.

**** other budget cutting items *****

It would have helped if you had cited just what Kerry wanted to cut. I am aware that he wanted to cut just about every military item that ever came up, but I am truly unaware of his budget cutting activism in any other arena.

Since this is one of the primary issues the GOP has raised about Kerry, it seems a little fishy that you mention budget cutting and not mention the things he wanted to cut.

For instance - has he ever voted against the expansion of government in any area other than the military? You see, the military is one of the places the GOP thinks it is ok to spend more money when we need to - and we need to think ahead and provide for capabilities that are not even required at the moment. This is where we believe Kerry has left his mark - he has opposed every one of those initiative.

I really would like you to provide some clarity on this. I promise I will lick you boots in supplication if you show a substantial effort by Kerry to reduce government expansion or expenditures in areas other than the military.

**** conservation issues ******

I am a true conservationist, too. I want plenty of unspoiled land for my grandchildren's grandchildren to visit.

I also know that the current approach of the environmental activists are harmful to that long range goal.

John Kerry is under the control of these activists. He will not understand that these lands have to be "managed" in order for them to survive. The tremendous losses of millions of acres of these lands to wildfires were a direct result of the "controls" Kerry helped to put into place. The enviornmental movement is run by a bunch of elitists who want to 'preserve' these lands as their private playpens and don't care about the long term effects. It is one of the most pernicious policies I have ever witnessed. This is a matter where people died and millions of acres were lost because of environmentalists who prevented reasonable steps to be taken to protect the lands thru proper management - and why?? because someone just might make some money.

This is shameful.

***** campaign finance *****

Yep - he helped usher in the 527s and all their millions of dollars uncontrolled. Allowing miscreants like George Soros - an avowed anti-american - anti-democracy - zealot billionaire have an undue shot at "buying" an American presidential election.

In my view, campaign finance should be simple - donate only to candidates you are legally entitled to vote for. Each candidate has to list ALL contributors by name and amount and date. Let everyone play.

**** Kyoto ***

The most anti-american treaty ever considered. Fortunately it was voted down by 99-0. Even Kerry couldn't vote for it. Supporting Kyoto is just another example of whining about a perceived "problem" instead of trying to fix it. As long as they can "blame" Bush for its failures, they don't have to do anything else - even though they realized it was unfathomly bad.

***** foreign policy ****

Kerry has been wrong on every issue about foreign policy he has undertaken. He has continually tried to undermine the strength of the USA in favor of yielding to "international" controls.

Sorry - big loss item - better to not mention it.

EXCEPT - he did do some good work on the Vietnam POW and MIA - I think - I did not recognize it in your long list - perhaps I overlooked it - but that should be one of your examples of his leadership - along with McCain. I would agree there.

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That's about all I can muster up for one night - I will try to put more attention to the rest of the items later.

But - I still do not see any significance in the list. It sounds like pretty thin gruel for basing a presidential run on.

Perhaps that is why he didn't = he has all but ignored his twenty years in the senate in his campaign.

Don't you think if he had anything in there that could stand inspection that HE would be touting it on the campaign trail?

Rather than pointing people to his canned "puff piece" wording on websites?
 

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