Gay Days

snusnu said:
I can see why this choice of phrase has rubbed people the wrong way. It would NEVER be okay to insert any group other than gays and lesbians into the phrase and publish it. For example, no one would (hopefully) ever say, "We are travelling with a famiily that has 2 small children and they would like to avoid having to explain "insert race/size/disability here" to them." Why is it OK to want to avoid gay people thinly veiled under the argument that you're avoiding certain behaviors that most reasonable adults avoid? That smacks very strongly of intolerance. Why would anything have to be explained? I like the poster who had very short and appropriate responses to questions pertaining to ANYONE who exhibits inappropriate or unusual behavior.

My first reaction to that was "Explain what? That they kissed because they love each other? That they are wearing matching shirts because they are a family? What's to explain?"
I realise the OP is talking about her 'friends' but you are so right. The idea of having to 'explain' is offensive.
 
OK, well, I don't think many families will wear matching shirts that say, "I need a stiff one" and then have a picture of a cocktail drink on it, or "Pink Possey" and then some others that border too much on profanity. The shirts put a different light on the gathering. Yes, without matching shirts, particularly the suggestive ones, you probably wouldn't notice at all.

I have a gay daughter. She and her life partner are a part of our family. I know that my daughter's life is difficult, particularly in the area in which we live. Honestly, I would not want to bring my grandchildren to the Magic Kingdom on gay day. It would be my personal decision, and having experienced this event for several years, it isn't the venue I would choose to present to them. But I would not protest the gathering, and my philosophy is live and let live, according to the mottos of nar anon and al anon. These beliefs are really a model for every day life - "let go" "Live and let live" etc. I would venture a guess that there are many who would not want to attend the Night of Joy for their own personal reasons. No one seems to bash anyone for choosing not to attend Christian concerts in front of the castle.

As an adult, I do go to the Magic Kingdom with my DH on the first Sat in June because as I stated in my previous post, I love WDW.
 
tony609 said:
You are correct. So if I were the Op I would choose not to be friends with someone like that, and go without them.

Oh wow. If only life were that black and white. If it is for you, then I commend you but I have friends and family that I love and that don't agree with every single one of my opinions on life. My husband and I don't even agree on all hot topics but we try to compromise and I think that's all the OP was trying to do. I think the world is changing it's views, not fast, or not fast enough is one thing. I for one am glad that there are such things as GAY DAYS but at the same time sad that there is a need for such things. But I think the posters that show compassion for the people that don't agree with them (there are a lot of wonderful posts on the Gay Boards) are more likely to change minds then the people that bash others for asking a questions. That doesn't make the question "right" (not speaking about this OP in particular) but it will still be asked, as evidenced on this board.
 
Texa said:
Oh wow. If only life were that black and white. If it is for you, then I commend you but I have friends and family that I love and that don't agree with every single one of my opinions on life. My husband and I don't even agree on all hot topics but we try to compromise and I think that's all the OP was trying to do. I think the world is changing it's views, not fast, or not fast enough is one thing. I for one am glad that there are such things as GAY DAYS but at the same time sad that there is a need for such things. But I think the posters that show compassion for the people that don't agree with them (there are a lot of wonderful posts on the Gay Boards) are more likely to change minds then the people that bash others for asking a questions. That doesn't make the question "right" (not speaking about this OP in particular) but it will still be asked, as evidenced on this board.

ITA with your articulate response. I agree that most people choose friends because their interests are alike, but it is impossible to share every POV. How sad that we would all avoid anyone whose ideas differ from our own. My BIL is gone now, but it was sad that so many avoided him because his sexuality differed from their own. He spent years looking for an area that accepted him and allowed him to show his love for his partner. There were more people in our lives who were able to come to know him as a brilliant man because we did not banish them when they had a difficult time accepting his life. They never would have been able to change their opinion had they been ostracized. You see, he became a person rather than a "lifestyle".

The world is changing, and while I would have the change occur faster, I would prefer that people be respected for their personal beliefs. It is impossible to change a mind that you have no access to. Questions such as the OP's are not meant to inflame, but are asked to assess a situation that may be unfamiliar to them and therefore frightening. The same question could be asked if Disney hosted a Biker Week. Or a Christion Coalition Convention. Or Spring Break. I wonder if some of the answers would be so santimonious.

The world is changing, and while I would prefer that the change occurs faster, that is not something anyone can achieve alone.
 

snusnu said:
It would NEVER be okay to insert any group other than gays and lesbians into the phrase and publish it.

I'll give it a shot.... ;)

SMOKERS DAYS - Just found out we will be there at this time. What are the parks like? I know there are certain parks on certain days, and while I personally have no problem with smokers, we are travelling with a family that has 2 small children and they would like to avoid having to breathe in the smoke and witness millions of cigarette butts thrown onto the ground. Does anyone know what parks are on what day? Thanks.

:stir: :rotfl2: :rotfl:
 
disneyfan67 said:
He just asked a simple question and I don't think he deserved that reply, IMO. I thought the OP was respectfull and trying to avoid any "landmines" that come from the usual Gay Day questions. Tolerance is a two way street and so is respect as well. I could see a problem if he had said something mean or hatefull but he has a valid point. It's like some people just look for any imagined slight or problem and love to play the "Gotcha" game. . . .

I was offended at the "lock the children in the closet, if you don't like it" remark and that was a selfish statement to make. I wish people would realize that tolerance just isn't for one group only, it's for all of us.
Ditto. Nobody is espousing any hatred here. In order to not be hypocritical, "live and let live" needs to extend to those who wish to raise their families as they see fit. We CAN all get along. :grouphug:
 
Nancyg56 said:
ITA with your articulate response. I agree that most people choose friends because their interests are alike, but it is impossible to share every POV. How sad that we would all avoid anyone whose ideas differ from our own. My BIL is gone now, but it was sad that so many avoided him because his sexuality differed from their own. He spent years looking for an area that accepted him and allowed him to show his love for his partner. There were more people in our lives who were able to come to know him as a brilliant man because we did not banish them when they had a difficult time accepting his life. They never would have been able to change their opinion had they been ostracized. You see, he became a person rather than a "lifestyle".

The world is changing, and while I would have the change occur faster, I would prefer that people be respected for their personal beliefs. It is impossible to change a mind that you have no access to. Questions such as the OP's are not meant to inflame, but are asked to assess a situation that may be unfamiliar to them and therefore frightening. The same question could be asked if Disney hosted a Biker Week. Or a Christion Coalition Convention. Or Spring Break. I wonder if some of the answers would be so santimonious.

The world is changing, and while I would prefer that the change occurs faster, that is not something anyone can achieve alone.

Wonderfully articulated! People all need to realize that saying that anyone who doesn't agree with them and their views about issues is wrong is just as guilty as the person that partakes in the activites the others are offended by. It all comes down to the ability to respect a person regardless of their personal beliefs. Just because someone doesn't agree with you 100% isn't cause to never get to know them! You may be surprised by what you learn if you give one another the chance; especially because a lot of stereotypes come from fear of the unknown.
 
Poohsmommi said:
I have, however, witnessed tons of "offensive" behavior from straight couples. As for the person wishing to avoid "explaining" gay behavior to their children - 1. lock them in a closet if you wish to avoid exposing your children to this "type" of behavior and 2 - most children don't think twice about it. It's the biased adults who have the problem, not the children.

Enjoy your vacation.
What a thoughtless thing to say! Youre rediculous.

They didnt say they would NEVER explain it to their kids but in my opinion I understand why they wouldnt want to have to have new "discussions" with them on vacation! And I am in NO way prejudice towards gays. period.
 
I don't see how the post is thoughtless.
Do these same people avoid restaurants, malls etc where they could run into a same sex couple?
 
BluOrchid2 said:
I'll give it a shot.... ;)

SMOKERS DAYS - Just found out we will be there at this time. What are the parks like? I know there are certain parks on certain days, and while I personally have no problem with smokers, we are travelling with a family that has 2 small children and they would like to avoid having to breathe in the smoke and witness millions of cigarette butts thrown onto the ground. Does anyone know what parks are on what day? Thanks.

:stir: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Hey, I wanna make sure we don't go then too!!!

This is meant to lighten things up a bit. C'mon everyone. SMILE!! :)

That's the Disney spirit!!
 
There is definitely appropriate and inappropriate public behavior, especially in this kind of setting (around children). This applies to people visiting the parks no matter their sexual orientation or beliefs.

Personally, I find excessive PDA as offensive as public drunkeness. There have been a few times returning from a nice (relatively early) dinner at Downtown Disney where I have had to distract my children on the bus from the complete idiocy of some heterosexual drunken Pleasure Island patrons.

The point is...anyone and everyone (straight or gay) visiting the parks should always take into account the presence of children and adjust their behavior appropriate to that setting. I completely agree with Mr. Werner's assessment and while some may choose to attend gay days, I feel the core point of his message still applies not just to gays and lesbians, but to everyone.
 
I have found that when you come accross somewhat acting inappropriately...mainly those who feel the need to practically procreate in front of you...if you start snapping pictures of them, they generally quit pretty quickly and move on. I mean, they obviously don't mind people seeing, right? ;)

(OK, so I don't REALLY take pictures, but my flash has a 'test' button that makes it look just like it's going off. :thumbsup2 )
 


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