Gay characters (and couples) in Disney shows and movies

[Aisling]

Why? (serious question, I don't get it). Are you sad that anyone thinks like Pan does? Sad he has t explain it? Sad that some religions have such limited views? Something else?

Homosexuals having to explain why they are that way is sad.


It's also sad that those who have contrary opinions of homosexuality are called bigoted close-minded whateva whateva. In my mind, it's one's actions that matter, not their personal beliefs.


Added: There are so many reasons why people believe homosexuality is this or that, and not one knows for sure.

This discussion makes me uncomfortable. With no disrespect, I think there are too many closed minded people here, on BOTH sides. Peace.

 

[Goofyluver]

You know what's really sad?

When my DSIL died from Cancer on Good Friday, the last conversation she had with her eldest daughter was about her changing from being gay to being straight. It was sad that she was so terrified of never seeing her daughter again, that she wasted their last moment with her trying to make her daughter change who she was, because what she was was going to keep the daughter out of heaven.

A mother so terrified by her religion that told her that her daughter was evil, that she could never be able to feel the comforts that her religion could have brought to her at death.

That's sad.

That's what her daughter will remember.

 

[PeterPan09]

Homosexuals having to explain why they are that way is sad.


It's also sad that those who have contrary opinions of homosexuality are called bigoted close-minded whateva whateva. In my mind, it's one's actions that matter, not their personal beliefs.


Added: There are so many reasons why people believe homosexuality is this or that, and not one knows for sure.

This discussion makes me uncomfortable. With no disrespect, I think there are too many closed minded people here, on BOTH sides. Peace.

I understand that, but beliefs lead to actions. The reason that gay people cannot marry in this country is because of one set of beliefs. That's it, nothing else. People's individual beliefs come out in the voting booth and a whole group of other people are denied the right to marry.

I would have no trouble with live and let live, except for the fact that one side doesn't really want to do that. They want everyone to obey their particular set of rules.

 

[Aisling]

I understand that, but beliefs lead to actions. The reason that gay people cannot marry in this country is because of one set of beliefs. That's it, nothing else. People's individual beliefs come out in the voting booth and a whole group of other people are denied the right to marry.

I would have no trouble with live and let live, except for the fact that one side doesn't really want to do that. They want everyone to obey their particular set of rules.

Pan, in my opinion, you are by far the most rational, articulate, "fair and balanced" and calm person on this thread and on other threads of this topic. I appreciate that very much.

About the bolded, yes that's wrong in my opinion. I agree with it even while I believe in their right to believe what they want in peace, but yes, you're right, actions do screw it up.

 

[PeterPan09]

Thank you for the compliment!

I will fight for the rights of everyone to believe or not believe as they so choose, but I also believe in equal rights for all. I don't feel those things need be mutually exclusive.

 

[EmmaBrault]

Is there seriously any religion that teaches being a homosexual is a sin? I went to Catholic school and was taught that same sex attraction is not a choice, thus not sinful.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Is there seriously any religion that teaches being a homosexual is a sin? I went to Catholic school and was taught that same sex attraction is not a choice, thus not sinful.

Yes...it is unfortunately against some branches...

 

[PeterPan09]

It is the act that is considered sinful to most, and for most it is also the definition of marriage.

Don't want to go too much more into it because of the rules.

 

[FireDancer]

Thank you for the compliment!

I will fight for the rights of everyone to believe or not believe as they so choose, but I also believe in equal rights for all. I don't feel those things need be mutually exclusive.

They shouldn't be. I believe life begins at conception but am pro-choice. I am not trying to debate either of those issues, just putting out my personal belief structure to show the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Going along those same lines I don't see why someone objecting to homosexuality on a religious front needs to also deny their rights on a political front. Now, if a certain religion doesn't want to perform same-sex marriages they shouldn't have to but that doesn't mean the government should deny them their rights to marry inside a church/religion that does recognize it or outside of church all together in a civil ceremony.

Just my opinion.

 

[NHdisneylover]

You know what's really sad?

When my DSIL died from Cancer on Good Friday, the last conversation she had with her eldest daughter was about her changing from being gay to being straight. It was sad that she was so terrified of never seeing her daughter again, that she wasted their last moment with her trying to make her daughter change who she was, because what she was was going to keep the daughter out of heaven.

A mother so terrified by her religion that told her that her daughter was evil, that she could never be able to feel the comforts that her religion could have brought to her at death.

That's sad.

Oh that is truly sad. What a terrible feeling to have as you are dying and what a terrible memory for the daughter of her mother's last moments.

Homosexuals having to explain why they are that way is sad.


It's also sad that those who have contrary opinions of homosexuality are called bigoted close-minded whateva whateva. In my mind, it's one's actions that matter, not their personal beliefs.


Added: There are so many reasons why people believe homosexuality is this or that, and not one knows for sure.

This discussion makes me uncomfortable. With no disrespect, I think there are too many closed minded people here, on BOTH sides. Peace.

Thank you for the answer.

I understand that this topic makes you uncomfortable and I really appreciate you participating anyway. I think the best way for people to begin to change either their opinions or their actions is to have real dialogues about issues like we are having here.

 

[Aisling]

I understand that this topic makes you uncomfortable and I really appreciate you participating anyway. I think the best way for people to begin to change either their opinions or their actions is to have real dialogues about issues like we are having here.

Or dialogue just to understand how the other side feels. I know there are issues I will not change my mind about, but I want to understand the opposing view. That helps me learn tolerance and compassion even while continuing to espouse my own particular views.

Thanks for your response, Hadley.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Or dialogue just to understand how the other side feels. I know there are issues I will not change my mind about, but I want to understand the opposing view. That helps me learn tolerance and compassion even while continuing to espouse my own particular views.

Thanks for your response, Hadley.

Thanks. That is just it; I hope when the sides understand each other better that that can lead to things like, people who consider homosexuality or same sex marriage a sin, not feeling it needs to be illegal even if they do not agree with it, and the other side not feeling they need to hate certain churches, etc. Even if no core beliefs change (I doubt mine ever will), maybe how people act on them and perceive others acting on their own might.

 

[PeterPan09]

I don't want people to feel that they are being asked to change their personal values. If they want to believe that homosexuality is sinful, that's their choice to do that, where the trouble starts for me is when everyone must believe that it is sinful. That's where people's rights get trampled on, that's where bullying comes from. Lots of things in this society are viewed as sinful by one faith or another-but people who do them aren't bullied or denied basic rights. That seems to be reserved for one particular sin only.

 

[phorsenuf]

Is there seriously any religion that teaches being a homosexual is a sin? I went to Catholic school and was taught that same sex attraction is not a choice, thus not sinful.

Without going into to detail, that may violate board rules, yes there is. We left our church because of those views.

 

[NotUrsula]

I don't care how politically incorrect I am, I would NOT want to have to explain to my young children why the prince in a Disney movie is putting on a ballgown!

Because he's playing dress-up, of course!

One of the things that I think makes this issue so charged is the tendency of a lot of folks to want to make explanations for young kids more complicated than they need to be. I don't mean to pick on you, because I can see that your post is tongue-in-cheek, but for those people who take such things seriously this question *is* a big fat red herring -- your average little boy would just think it was meant to be a funny joke, to see a prince in a ball gown.

As for the idea of Disney-Does-the-Hapsburgs, there simply are no words. What, Victor Hugo wasn't a bad enough idea for an animated kiddie film?

 

[nancytoby]

As for the idea of Disney-Does-the-Hapsburgs, there simply are no words. What, Victor Hugo wasn't a bad enough idea for an animated kiddie film?

Ha! True enough. I think the final message to Quasimodo was OF COURSE Esmerelda won't fall for you and reciprocate your love if you're a reclusive funny-looking person!! Not quite sure that the moral to the story was a great one in that particular film.

 

[Dr. M]

I think Jafar was totally gay, and he was just interested in Jasmine as a beard.

Whats a beard?

 

[nancytoby]

Whats a beard?

See http://www.urbandictionary.com/ for the answer to this and similar lesser-known English slang expressions.

 

[Normangirls]

Wow. I saw this thread when it was first posted, assumed it would quickly go downhill and be locked, and decided to ignore it.

Now I come back and find open, honest conversations taking place, no judgements being forced on others (note: I didn't read every response, just checked this latest page), and a generally supportive, accepting message.

I love you guys.