Gardasil?

I find it interesting that this vaccine is seemingly being compared to the vaccine for Chicken Pox or the flu shot. HPV causes cervical cancer. We are not talking about a few missed days from school -- this infection can cause a terminal disease.

Statistically, at least 50% of the population has HPV (according the the CDC). I am a high school teacher and I know what kids are doing out there. Heck, I know what I was doing at their age. And I wish I had the choice to take such a shot back then.

Speaking of statistics, roughly 46,000 people die in car accidents per year (according to national automobile accident statistics), while about 23,000 people will be diagnosed with HPV-related cancer this year. I bet you make your daughters wear seat belts, right?

I sincerely hope none of your daughters end up with cervical cancer. And if they do, how would you ever look them in the eyes and tell them that you refused to get them the vaccine to prevent it?

i would agree with you if this were a proven safe vaccine. its not. it was premature of them to put it on the market. it needed much much more testing.
when they have done their job in bringing me a safe and effective vaccine, i will be the first in line to get it. gardisil, is not that vaccine.
 
We got a notice from DD's school how they are requiring that she get the Gardasil vaccine. I normally don't flinch about immunizations, but because this is so new, I am very leery. From my web searches, I am reading some majorly disturbing information regarding side effects. I know that if I had to decide to get this for myself, I would not. I'm not sure how I am going to broach this with the school, if DD will get it or not. I guess I am just looking to hear from other parents of teenage girls and what their thoughts and/or experiences are regarding this fairly new immunization.

I'm :scared1: by this! If the notion of mandating vaccines is based on public health, then I can see an argument of the "vicinity" diseases needing to be covered [measles, diptheria, etc.]. Last I checked, Gardasil only dealt with an illness that was transmitted solely be sexual activity...so how does the school get off DEMANDING the vaccine? I know, some one will likely say that we need to protect the children, yada, yada, yada....but then the same logic should permit the school mandate we implant norplant to make sure the girls don't come up pregnant! This is serious overstepping in my mind, and I certainly hear you on the unproven nature of the vaccine. I've read several articles about the relationship the manufacturer has to several lobby groups, so by convincing politicians to mandate the shot, they company gets more $$$. Making money doesn't always indicate someone is acting against the public interest by a long shot, but it does cause me pause when the problem/solution/legislation/and $$$$ trail are so closely linked.

There should be some procedure to bypass the regulation, especially in light of the fact that HPV is not transmitted casually, so the school really has no legitimate reason to mandate the result of private behavior, despite power-hungry bureaucrats who like to try and convince the average citizen they do. Further, you are still the PARENT - and because there is no casual contact public health risk that I can see that would give the school the ability to trump you RIGHTS as a parent [while they still exist in this country], you should be able to fight this is you choose. I, for one, would applaud you!
 
I find it interesting that this vaccine is seemingly being compared to the vaccine for Chicken Pox or the flu shot. HPV causes cervical cancer. We are not talking about a few missed days from school -- this infection can cause a terminal disease.

Statistically, at least 50% of the population has HPV (according the the CDC). I am a high school teacher and I know what kids are doing out there. Heck, I know what I was doing at their age. And I wish I had the choice to take such a shot back then.

Speaking of statistics, roughly 46,000 people die in car accidents per year (according to national automobile accident statistics), while about 23,000 people will be diagnosed with HPV-related cancer this year. I bet you make your daughters wear seat belts, right?

I sincerely hope none of your daughters end up with cervical cancer. And if they do, how would you ever look them in the eyes and tell them that you refused to get them the vaccine to prevent it?

As a nurse I have to say "THANK YOU!" :worship:

I have seen women die of cervical cancer. It is a slow, protracted, painful death. I would not wish this on anyone. I would do whateer was in my power to prevent it. I am sure my friend would, too. Cervical cancer in her 20's has left her infertile.

For those who think that the school is "interfering with their family" and making assumptions that their child is sexually active because they are teenagers, please rememer that, unfortunately, not all young girls are willing participants in sexual activity. ...and, yes, HPV is skin to skin contact, it does not require intercourse.

From the American Cancer Society:


What Are the Key Statistics About Cervical Cancer?

The American Cancer Society estimates that in 2008, about 11,070 cases of invasive cervical cancer will be diagnosed in the United States. Some researchers estimate that non-invasive cervical cancer (carcinoma in situ) is about 4 times more common than invasive cervical cancer.

About 3,870 women will die from cervical cancer in the United States during 2008. Cervical cancer was once one of the most common causes of cancer death for American women
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Just to clarify...its NOT solely an STD...
yes...it can be transmitted that way... but it can also happen to virgins....

I haven't made up my mind on it yet for my daughter...although she is sold on the commercials, saying she wants to be 'one less'... lol

But...makes no sense that a school can REQUIRE that vaccine...


From the CDC's website, it requires GENITAL CONTACT....now, I realize that we all came through the Clinton years and now are confused about what truly
"qualifies" as "sex", but the bottom line is, if your child is engaged in the activities that will transmit the virus in their math class, there is probably a bigger problem than semantics.:goodvibes
 

No public school requires you to vaccinate- every state has exemptions. I would never make my daughter a vaccine guinea pig (which is unfortunately what is happening with this specific vax- they put it on the market WAY too soon (not that I agree with ever coming out), and we're facing the consequences). I have quite a few articles on this specific vaccine if you'd like more info.
 
My dd12 has this series, plus every single other vaccine (including Hep A and chicken pox). I honestly can't see how a school can make this one a required vaccine - this one, IMHO, is such a personal choice, since you can't contract a STD in the classroom.
 
There are risks with every vaccine, and there are risks with each vaccine preventable disease. IMO, the key is to weigh the risks of each for your particular child and decide what makes sense for her. There have been quite a few deaths from Gardasil thus far, and many many serious adverse reactions. The Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System estimates that only 10% of these side effects are even reported! To dismiss that is truly dangerous! For those who asked how people would feel if their daughter died from cervical cancer, how would you feel if, God forbid, your daughter died from the vaccine?!?!? Something you voluntarily had injected into her?

Gardasil is NOT a cervical cancer vaccine, although it is often billed as such. It is a vaccine against a few strains of HPV only. It is far from fool-proof. You can still catch one of the other many, many strains of HPV. Also, if you have had HPV in the past (and if you have, you probably wouldn't know it), Gardasil can increase your risk of cerivical cancer! Remember, you could have had HPV even if you are a virgin.

Yes, HPV can lead to cervical cancer. In the vast majority of cases though, it clears from the body all by itself. Pap smears have dramatically reduced the number of cases of deaths from cervical cancer, and emphasizing the importance of getting them yearly to your daughters would go a long way. Cervical cancer typically progresses very slowly, and is very treatable in most cases- not all, but most. Most of the deaths that result from cervical cancer are in women who have never, or who rarely have had paps. Again, not all, but most.


As far as schools requiring vaccines against things your child will not catch in a classroom, that's also true of tetnaus, so this is not a new thing. One good thing about Gardasil is that it is making parents question the risks and benefits of vaccines, and that is a good thing! It's always wise to dig below the surface. If you are new to the idea of questioning vaccines, and you want to learn more, there are several books and websited that are great places to start. Mothering.com has a ton of information, Dr. Sears has a new book out, and Dr. Stephanie Cave has one that is often rec'd as well. All 3 of those have info on both the pros and cons of vaccines, and are less biased than some of the things you'll find out there.
 
There are risks with every vaccine, and there are risks with each vaccine preventable disease. IMO, the key is to weigh the risks of each for your particular child and decide what makes sense for her. There have been quite a few deaths from Gardasil thus far, and many many serious adverse reactions. The Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System estimates that only 10% of these side effects are even reported! To dismiss that is truly dangerous! For those who asked how people would feel if their daughter died from cervical cancer, how would you feel if, God forbid, your daughter died from the vaccine?!?!? Something you voluntarily had injected into her?

Gardasil is NOT a cervical cancer vaccine, although it is often billed as such. It is a vaccine against a few strains of HPV only. It is far from fool-proof. You can still catch one of the other many, many strains of HPV. Also, if you have had HPV in the past (and if you have, you probably wouldn't know it), Gardasil can increase your risk of cerivical cancer! Remember, you could have had HPV even if you are a virgin.

Yes, HPV can lead to cervical cancer. In the vast majority of cases though, it clears from the body all by itself. Pap smears have dramatically reduced the number of cases of deaths from cervical cancer, and emphasizing the importance of getting them yearly to your daughters would go a long way. Cervical cancer typically progresses very slowly, and is very treatable in most cases- not all, but most. Most of the deaths that result from cervical cancer are in women who have never, or who rarely have had paps. Again, not all, but most.


As far as schools requiring vaccines against things your child will not catch in a classroom, that's also true of tetnaus, so this is not a new thing. One good thing about Gardasil is that it is making parents question the risks and benefits of vaccines, and that is a good thing! It's always wise to dig below the surface. If you are new to the idea of questioning vaccines, and you want to learn more, there are several books and websited that are great places to start. Mothering.com has a ton of information, Dr. Sears has a new book out, and Dr. Stephanie Cave has one that is often rec'd as well. All 3 of those have info on both the pros and cons of vaccines, and are more biased than some of the things you'll find out there.

Ahhh thank you! A breathe of fresh air. :thumbsup2 There are so many misconceptions regarding this vaccine (and the rest, IMO) and I'm so tired of being bashed (not here) that I don't even bother typing it all out, so I'm soooo glad you did!!! *I* personally think that *I* owe it to my child to do as much research as I can on the topic of vaccinations instead of just doing what I'm told (or following what nursing- and our society- trained me to think)...that way no matter what decision we come to, I'm not left questioning "did I do the right thing?"

OP- good luck with your decision! Just remember, you can always give a vaccine later, but you can't take them back. Don't feel like you have to do anything just because the school is "pushing" it on you!
 
Ahhh thank you! A breathe of fresh air. :thumbsup2 There are so many misconceptions regarding this vaccine (and the rest, IMO) and I'm so tired of being bashed (not here) that I don't even bother typing it all out, so I'm soooo glad you did!!! *I* personally think that *I* owe it to my child to do as much research as I can on the topic of vaccinations instead of just doing what I'm told (or following what nursing- and our society- trained me to think)...that way no matter what decision we come to, I'm not left questioning "did I do the right thing?"

OP- good luck with your decision! Just remember, you can always give a vaccine later, but you can't take them back. Don't feel like you have to do anything just because the school is "pushing" it on you!

Not in the case of Gardasil...it should be given BEFORE any sexual contact has occurred. In some cases with teens, its too late.

Just one other comment on a previous poster who said they didn't allow their child(ren) to have all recommended vaccines, including the one for chicken pox because he/she feels it is a 'manageable' childhood disease: the problem is not so much getting and managing it as a child...its NOT getting chicken pox as a child and then suffering through it as an adult.

When an adult gets chicken pox the situation can become a chronic case of shingles, or be so severe it requires hospitalization. Not having the vaccine as a woman and getting pregnant, then being exposed to CP while carrying a child can have devastating results.
 
Not in the case of Gardasil...it should be given BEFORE any sexual contact has occurred. In some cases with teens, its too late.

Just one other comment on a previous poster who said they didn't allow their child(ren) to have all recommended vaccines, including the one for chicken pox because he/she feels it is a 'manageable' childhood disease: the problem is not so much getting and managing it as a child...its NOT getting chicken pox as a child and then suffering through it as an adult.

When an adult gets chicken pox the situation can become a chronic case of shingles, or be so severe it requires hospitalization. Not having the vaccine as a woman and getting pregnant, then being exposed to CP while carrying a child can have devastating results.

I still do not believe in rushing into a vaccine, period. When it comes to vaccines, there is ALWAYS time do research and make an educated decision.

As for chicken pox, the vaccine itself is/will be responsible for many adult cases these days. It's made it next to impossible for the average child to contract "wild" chicken pox, which is far more likely to provide lifelong immunity than the vaccine (in most- not all- cases). However, the vaccine is far from 100% guarunteed, and it requires boosters, which many people never get. (and they're also admitting that it's not working quite as well as thought, possibly needing more boosters starting earlier on) Therefore the vaccine is wearing off sooner, and I suspect we'll be seeing FAR more adult cases in the years to come. (the vax was introduced in 95, I believe, so in the grand scheme of things, it too is a very new vaccine)
 
Just to clarify...its NOT solely an STD...
yes...it can be transmitted that way... but it can also happen to virgins....

I haven't made up my mind on it yet for my daughter...although she is sold on the commercials, saying she wants to be 'one less'... lol

But...makes no sense that a school can REQUIRE that vaccine...

Some of my girlfriends were sexually active at thirteen. In most cases where they were sexually active young, my friends were "good" girls from "good" homes whose parents would have been shocked to discover that their baby was having sex.

HPV is very prevalent, if a woman has had more than three sex partners, she has a better chance of having HPV than not. For teens, who trade boyfriends like purses - three can go by in the blink of an eye. Each one being "the one" for the three to five months they date.

The vaccine does carry some risk, and if you are certain your daughter is at low risk for HPV, you can almost certainly get it waived on philosophical grounds. I would caution you about how well you know your daughter now, how well you'll know her in a year - and how well your parents knew exactly what you were doing when you were a teen. The vaccine carries risk, cervical cancer does as well. (One of my girlfriends lost her sister in law to cervical cancer - her SIL was 27).

(They like to give it young because while plenty of teens do wait until their late teenage years - or even until marriage - other teens - even some of the "good girls" have sex. If you are worried about your child understanding this vaccine is about sex, don't tell them that. Tell them they need a MMR booster. You can fess up when they are 20.)
 
I sincerely hope none of your daughters end up with cervical cancer. And if they do, how would you ever look them in the eyes and tell them that you refused to get them the vaccine to prevent it?

If I have to hear one more person say that the vaccine prevents HPV and cervical cancer, I will scream!!!!
The vaccine targets four types of HPV (6, 11, 16 and 18) but it does not protect against all the types of HPV that can cause cervical cancer. Strains 6 & 11 are herpes and 16 & 18 can lead to cancer. BTW, there are 37 or more types of genital HPV and only about 10 can lead to cancer. Therefore, PAP tests are still essential to detect cancer and save lives, as well as condoms, which remain the safest, most effective method for preventing HIV transfer and numerous sexually transmitted diseases. There is also a HPV test that you can request when you get your pap smear.
Studies show that the vaccine only lasts 5 years. So why are girls 9, 10 and 11 getting the shot when the vaccine wears off in the early teen years? From what I read, no boosters are available and they say you are only fully protected once you have the 3 shot series which takes about 9 months to do.
Cervical cancer first starts out as precancerous cells. Left untreated, the cells will then turn into cancer. I can't find the time length it takes for precancerous cells to turn into cancer. I also can't find how long it takes HPV to turn into cancer. The only thing I found was that cervical cancer develops slowly. The simple fact is, lack of pap smears is the most significant risk factor for development of cervical cancer.
We as parents and even teachers need to teach our children about safe sex and the NEED to get routine medical checks. It's not fun getting a pap smear done but it's something that must be done. It will make the difference between life and death.
I speak from experience. When I was 18, precancerous cells were found during a routine pap smear. HPV wasn't talked about then and I'll never know why the cells turned precancerous. I am now 31 and scream from the rooftops how important routine pap smears are. One saved my life!!!
 
you really need to call your superintendant. even though school is not in session, there will be someone in his/her office. this vaccine is not even on the list that the CDC puts out of "required" vaccines. how dare they ask you have your child vaccinated with this?

personally i would immediately take my child out of a school that required it. there is no way in hell i would be getting that for her right now.

In Michigan, even the "required" vaccines do not HAVE to be administered for school enrollement. In Michigan, one can sign a philosphical or religious waiver.

I ended up doing most vaccines--but on my own timetable and did not start until babies were 6 months and up. This was before it was more standard to have mercury-free vaccines. I was not comfortable pumping my newborn full of so many injections in such a short time with mercury(however "safe" level of mercury it may have been).

We're now pretty much caught up now but I did sign a philosophical waiver for ChickenPox--not sure on that one. I have a few years to decide on Guardisil & gladly those few years may yield more research/results. I don't want for my daughter to be the guinea pig before more time has passed. However, good point how PP mentioned deciding that the benefits outweighed the risks. I guess alot depends on how old your daughter is --on how and when you make the decision.
 
In Michigan, even the "required" vaccines do not HAVE to be administered for school enrollement. In Michigan, one can sign a philosphical or religious waiver.

I ended up doing most vaccines--but on my own timetable and did not start until babies were 6 months and up. This was before it was more standard to have mercury-free vaccines. I was not comfortable pumping my newborn full of so many injections in such a short time with mercury(however "safe" level of mercury it may have been).

We're now pretty much caught up now but I did sign a philosophical waiver for ChickenPox--not sure on that one. I have a few years to decide on Guardisil & gladly those few years may yield more research/results. I don't want for my daughter to be the guinea pig before more time has passed. However, good point how PP mentioned deciding that the benefits outweighed the risks. I guess alot depends on how old your daughter is --on how and when you make the decision.


maybe you missed that required was in parentesies?:confused3
 
A few weeks ago there were two news reports right after another on our local news. The first one was about how tomatoes were being taken off the market because approximately 100 people had gotten sick from them. Right after that, they mentioned that over 1700 girls had had reactions to Gardasil, but it was not even being investigated. Just made me stand back and go hmmm. Guess the pharmaceutical industry has much more clout than the tomato industry.

Merck recently reported a 63% rise in net income for its third quarter. Total vaccine sales went from $555 million to $1.2 billion, fueled mostly by Gardasil. I don't think the tomato industry makes that much in a year. So I think the $$$ is what keeps Gardasil on the market and the reports of the reactions to the vaccine from most news reports.
 
:sad2:
I sincerely hope none of your daughters end up with cervical cancer. And if they do, how would you ever look them in the eyes and tell them that you refused to get them the vaccine to prevent it?


Nobody hopes that their dd will develop cervical cancer, and none of us hope that our dd's have an adverse reaction to a fairly new vaccine. I know in the future I will be able to look my dd in the eye and tell her I did the right thing for her at the time. I did not decide to give her a vaccine that is too new and I knew nothing about. I will tell her that I would not let the school make the decision on whats best for her health. I will tell her that I waited for the research and the facts to come out before I decided to vaccinate her or not. I will tell her taht I didn't choose to vaccinate her because someone was trying to make me feel guilty if I didn't :sad2:
 
If I have to hear one more person say that the vaccine prevents HPV and cervical cancer, I will scream!!!!
The vaccine targets four types of HPV (6, 11, 16 and 18) but it does not protect against all the types of HPV that can cause cervical cancer. Strains 6 & 11 are herpes and 16 & 18 can lead to cancer. BTW, there are 37 or more types of genital HPV and only about 10 can lead to cancer. Therefore, PAP tests are still essential to detect cancer and save lives, as well as condoms, which remain the safest, most effective method for preventing HIV transfer and numerous sexually transmitted diseases. There is also a HPV test that you can request when you get your pap smear.
Studies show that the vaccine only lasts 5 years. So why are girls 9, 10 and 11 getting the shot when the vaccine wears off in the early teen years? From what I read, no boosters are available and they say you are only fully protected once you have the 3 shot series which takes about 9 months to do.
Cervical cancer first starts out as precancerous cells. Left untreated, the cells will then turn into cancer. I can't find the time length it takes for precancerous cells to turn into cancer. I also can't find how long it takes HPV to turn into cancer. The only thing I found was that cervical cancer develops slowly. The simple fact is, lack of pap smears is the most significant risk factor for development of cervical cancer.
We as parents and even teachers need to teach our children about safe sex and the NEED to get routine medical checks. It's not fun getting a pap smear done but it's something that must be done. It will make the difference between life and death.
I speak from experience. When I was 18, precancerous cells were found during a routine pap smear. HPV wasn't talked about then and I'll never know why the cells turned precancerous. I am now 31 and scream from the rooftops how important routine pap smears are. One saved my life!!!

HPV can lay dormant for years - or forever. Not everyone who gets HPV will get cervical cancer. Pap smears are your best defense, but not all cervical cancer gets detected on routine paps - sometimes the swab misses the precancerous cells. Also, there is no guarentee it will be slow - though that is generally true.

Personally, I'd rather take the risk of the vaccine than the treatment for cervical cancer - even if the vaccine doesn't guarantee not getting it, it lowers the risk. The treatment for cervical cancer is often a hysterectomy - and if you are young enough and care, that means infertility.

http://www.oncolink.com/types/article.cfm?c=6&s=17&ss=129&id=8226
 
maybe you missed that required was in parentesies?:confused3
misunderstanding?
I didn't miss use of quotations for you (OP and others didn't use quotations or parenthesis)
I guess I'm agreeing with you
and airquotes on "required" for those that don't know about waivers. :)
Its been my experience in Michigan, most parents think they have to choose all vaccinations or choose to homeschool.
 
Here is some onfo on HPV from the CDC.


http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm


Here is info on the vaccine. The first thing that caught my eye is that they are caling it a cervical cancer vaccine, but it isn't. I don't have time right now to compare the two, but I have noticed there is info on the gardasil website that they have conveniently left out, although they do supply links for more info.


http://www.gardasil.com/
 
I wouldn't do it, not unless the boys were getting it too and last time I checked they aren't getting these shots. It takes two people to transmit HPV regardless of if one has a cervix or not.

Maybe their phones are busy because they are ringing off the hook. I don't see how they can mandate a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease, not unless they are encouraging them to have sex at school. Get the waiver or find her a new school. This is ridiculous.
 

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