Gabby Petito

[C&Jx2]

The fact they haven’t stated a cause of death means almost nothing when you consider that the body has been out in the elements for possibly 20+ days. Unless it was a gunshot (which I don’t think anyone would expect) they wouldn’t be able to say anything definitively without an autopsy.

I think the boyfriend is guilty as guilty can be. Was it premeditated? Highly doubtful. Might have even been accidental. However, you don’t come home from a trip without your fiancé and then say NOTHING unless you have something to hide. I don’t buy the psychological break angle. This isn’t a movie or a novel, and such things don’t just happen out of the blue.

I think he’s guilty too, but…

Yes they do. This age group is when schizophrenia is often diagnosed, mostly in college aged men, because of things like “psychlogical breaks”. Most schizophrenics don’t show any prior signs or symptoms until that point, and/or people don’t pick up on the subtle cues of the disease.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

He sounds pretty guilty to me, and the idea to disappear seems like an attempt to be able to not have to talk to police knowing the inevitable enforced request was coming. Now he can claim he did not know he was under an obligation to talk.

 

[mjkacmom]

Keep in mind he sent texts to her mother after she was already dead pretending to be her, so it’s not like he blacked out.

 

[Donald13]

Wow. Some are really making some leaps beyond that.

Welcome to the dis. We’re an actual medical diagnosis is irrelevant and we take leaps bigger then the Grand Canyon.

 

[neverlandsky]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/body-thought-gabby-petitos-found-093225375.html
Given this new information and plus the rumor of her being found in a shallow grave, it’s looking more and more like a homicide.

 

[Marrila]

Keep in mind he sent texts to her mother after she was already dead pretending to be her, so it’s not like he blacked out.

That is such a disturbing intentional act.

 

[mom2rtk]

So just to keep a running tally:

1) Never talk to police since they're out to get you (even after you lawyer up, even if a young lady is missing). Turns out he was preparing to or already had bolted.
2) It was self defense. Turns out someone in that couple needed protecting. Might not be the one everyone was thinking.
3) It was a stunt for social media attention. I guess we can dispel this one.
4) She ran off or was hurt by someone else because he wouldn't hurt a fly. I guess the jury's still out on this one but it sure isn't looking good.
5) Now that they've found a body, he must have had a mental break.

All I have to say is:

1) Praise the heavens her family has too much to deal with to ever have time to stumble across this thread.
2) If Brian hasn't killed himself, he should hope some of the posters here are on his jury.

 

[Stratman50th]

Welcome to the dis. We’re an actual medical diagnosis is irrelevant and we take leaps bigger then the Grand Canyon.

Also, we convict people before all the facts are known, because hey, this is all here just for our own personal entertainment, right? We also slow down and create traffic jams trying to look at an accident scene.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Also, we convict people before all the facts are known, because hey, this is all here just for our own personal entertainment, right?

I am not entertained by any of this. But the fact is, a man went on a journey with his girlfriend. His girlfriend disappeared, he came home without her and refused to report her missing/speak to authorities in order to find her. He didn't even speak to her parents.

They are all the facts I need to know.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Welcome to the dis. We’re an actual medical diagnosis is irrelevant and we take leaps bigger then the Grand Canyon.

If it comes out that he did indeed kill her, I don't care what his mental illness is. Once your mental illness causes you to murder other human beings, you are no longer compatible with society.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think he’s guilty too, but…

Yes they do. This age group is when schizophrenia is often diagnosed, mostly in college aged men, because of things like “psychlogical breaks”. Most schizophrenics don’t show any prior signs or symptoms until that point, and/or people don’t pick up on the subtle cues of the disease.

I've mentioned before I had a high school friend who at the end of freshman year of college started showing signs of something. She was slurring her words towards the very end but it wasn't until that summer that things went down so dang fast. We didn't hear from her all summer. Turns out she had been in and out of psychiatric facilities diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar. It was a rough few months while they worked on her dosage (I believe she was on lithium among other things). She was never the same after that and it was a very very sudden onset (common for that age like you said to start).

Like someone else mentioned it's hard to know if this is relevant, if he has something much more than what he's personally advised about. But most def. can things happen out of the blue, completely out of nowhere and mean a person acts totally out of character. And even if it was just anxiety a mind under the gripes of an ongoing anxiety attack (and it did seem like there were ongoing stressors during this trip) is one that does not think rationally. Our minds are designed to protect ourselves but they can only veer off as well.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If it comes out that he did indeed kill her, I don't care what his mental illness is. Once your mental illness causes you to murder other human beings, you are no longer compatible with society.

The taking of another life is an egregious act, if that is what indeed occurred. It does not however mean you are forever incompatible (an interesting way of describing it IMO) with society. Each and every person should be evaluated separately especially these days when we have and are still improving our viewpoint and treatment of mental illness. This concept that you are written off from society is an old way of thinking and basically shoves people into a room so they don't have to be thought of again.

 

[Sinder]

The taking of another life is an egregious act, if that is what indeed occurred. It does not however mean you are forever incompatible (an interesting way of describing it IMO) with society. Each and every person should be evaluated separately especially these days when we have and are still improving our viewpoint and treatment of mental illness. This concept that you are written off from society is an old way of thinking and basically shoves people into a room so they don't have to be thought of again.

If you are capable of taking a person's life and the only thing that prevents you from doing it again is medication and therapy then yes you are incompatible with society.
Old way or thinking or not it's true. If you need to be actively treated in order to not be capable of killing a person maybe you do belong in a room where you aren't interacting with society.
What happens when a person like that stops taking meds, or decides they are "cured" and discontinues therapy? People are at risk from them at that point.

If he did kill her and he is found to have mental illness I hope he's locked away forever. Medicate and give him therapy but keep him out of society.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

If you are capable of taking a person's life and the only thing that prevents you from doing it again is medication and therapy then yes you are incompatible with society.
Old way or thinking or not it's true. If you need to be actively treated in order to not be capable of killing a person maybe you do belong in a room where you aren't interacting with society.
What happens when a person like that stops taking meds, or decides they are "cured" and discontinues therapy? People are at risk from them at that point.

If he did kill her and he is found to have mental illness I hope he's locked away forever. Medicate and give him therapy but keep him out of society.

I think you must have missed the part of my comment that said each and every person should be evaluated separately. It's a far cry from the PP's statement to which I was responding to

 

[luvsvacation]

I think the reason we are seeing so much speculation that it was some sort of mental break or mental illness or an accident is because so many people (me included) watched the entire body cam footage of their stop 2 weeks prior and saw no red flags that he could be a cold blooded killer. We WANT (or NEED) to believe that we would be able to spot a dangerous person and protect ourselves. The thought that this guy was able to fly under the radar and appear so harmless is very unsettling. So we begin to think of other explanations to explain why we couldn’t see the danger lurking in the video. I can pretty much guarantee that without the video almost everyone would be in agreement that he was just a homicidal jerk. We like to think we’d be able to spot someone like that. I’ll fully admit that after watching the video I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, thinking she ran off or something more benign like that. With them finding her body and the fact that he texted her mom specifically throwing them off with the Yosemite bit, at this point I would say he’s 99% guilty. There’s always the small chance there’s some other explanation, but it’s looking less likely.

 

[Sinder]

I think you must have missed the part of my comment that said each and every person should be evaluated separately. It's a far cry from the PP's statement to which I was responding to

No I didn't miss anything, you are talking about "every person" and we are talking about the ones who murder. Seems you are trying to twist what was said to mean all people with mental illness. That is a far cry of what was being said.

Once you take a person's life you are forever being capable of doing it. Period. If you need medication and therapy in order to control that capability you will always be a danger to society. Always.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

I mean you have to consider at this point as well that it might be three lives. Don't you.

 

[Marrila]

I think the reason we are seeing so much speculation that it was some sort of mental break or mental illness or an accident is because so many people (me included) watched the entire body cam footage of their stop 2 weeks prior and saw no red flags that he could be a cold blooded killer. We WANT (or NEED) to believe that we would be able to spot a dangerous person and protect ourselves. The thought that this guy was able to fly under the radar and appear so harmless is very unsettling. So we begin to think of other explanations to explain why we couldn’t see the danger lurking in the video. I can pretty much guarantee that without the video almost everyone would be in agreement that he was just a homicidal jerk. We like to think we’d be able to spot someone like that. I’ll fully admit that after watching the video I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, thinking she ran off or something more benign like that. With them finding her body and the fact that he texted her mom specifically throwing them off with the Yosemite bit, at this point I would say he’s 99% guilty. There’s always the small chance there’s some other explanation, but it’s looking less likely.

Bad or evil folks often don't present with an obvious scary look or behaviors.
It's kind of disturbing, but good to know.

 

[mjkacmom]

I think it’s more likely he killed her accidentally than that he’s a killer, she was very petite, something as simple as a shove that was too hard could’ve to her death (and he’d still be guilty of homicide). This doesn’t appear to be thought out.

 

[neverlandsky]

Keep in mind guilty by the reason of insanity is extremely difficult to prove in court and rarely goes all the way in this direction. Even with mental issues/illness 99.9% still know and are aware morally right from wrong.

Supposedly Gabby’s father showed to person of interest house demanding answers and police were called. It was demanded of him to back off.

Honestly I hope some laws are truly changed from this case. As-in well check follow-ups to incident police reports. 24 hours after and then a week later. Sort of a check-in system. The they have to be missing for 2 weeks to file a police report should be cut down to 36 hours. Any person deemed person of interest should be under mandatory strict surveillance until proven otherwise.