FYI: Villas @ the Contemporary rumor

[RoutemanDan]

Originally posted by Granny
Unless they theme it the same as WL, redo the lobby and plant a lot of trees, it won't be diminishing the value of my VWL holdings!

Ditto!

 

[jade1]

"I think if this does occur this will greatly lessen the value of VWL due to its amazingly close proximity to MK "

I dont think BWV reduced OKW value and it is right next to 2 parks, BCV didnt reduce BWV either, SSR is increasing all values it seems. These new resorts seem to only increase values.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by DISNEMOM
if there was a dvc added on to contemporary,that means you could not use your points to stay in the tower rooms,correct?

Correct

 

[DVCDAVE]

JADE1, good point you make. In my opinion, the Contmporary, albeit an exciting location, looks dated in my eyes.

 

[ClarabelleCow]

because it would probably be small in size, they could turn it more "upscale", demolish and build now, charge an outrageous price, maybe make it harder to get into, and build it in conjunction with SSR, I bet it would sell out in record time, and probably push SSR more, because that would become the "budget" DVC. (I'm not saying its a budget property), but in a marketing situation, they could sell the Comtemporary as prime, right on the monorail and near the MK, and if you didn't want to shell out the big bucks, buy at SSR. I only took a few marketing classes, but I see this as a quick seller.

 

[TwingleMum]

I hope this comes true. I would love a DVC resort on the monorail. I would especially love it if they decided to use the Poly instead LOL.

 

[lat]

Originally posted by TwingleMum
I hope this comes true. I would love a DVC resort on the monorail. I would especially love it if they decided to use the Poly instead LOL.

diddo

 

[floridafam]

Someone mentioned that they aren't too thrilled with the Contemporary. We weren't either. They could call it Disney's Magic Kingdom Villas if they don't want to have it be a complete take off on the Contemporary Resort.

They think SSR is selling fast? Don't they realize how fast a monorail resort would sell? I'd rathere see it sooner than later.

 

[gopherit]

Of course, the thing that bothers me is the vast rate at which they are adding resorts (all the value resorts, SSR, etc) and haven't really added capacity at the parks. In fact, there has been more than one complaint just this month on rides that were down and areas closed... When we house all these extra folks, they are going to want to GO somewhere... where do we send 'em, Sea World and Universal?
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[BigTigger]

Originally posted by Stitch 03
Perhaps DVC does not have alot of choice in the timing. It has been well documented on the boards that the North Wing is in pretty bad shape.

The Contemporary wings may need some exterior work, but the carpeting, beds, etc. were all refreshed before Shades of Green moved in while that resort was being re-built. We visited military friends while they were staying there last summer, and while the building is not an architectural delight, the rooms were spacious, clean, and close to everything.

I think DIsney could solve the drainage issues between the Contemporary and the Poly and build there much cheaper and with much more room for "at home" amenities. Just my $.02 of course.

 

[lovwdwalot]

I would look for them to add a new DVC after SSR sells out, isn't that what they did after the BWV was almost sold out? Didn't they than start building the BCV?

 

[jarestel]

At BCV, unless it's raining, we always walk ( 5 - 10 minutes ) to Epcot rather than take the boats. This would seem to be the main advantage of a DVC resort at the Contemporary also. Rather than wait for a monorail, it would just be a short 5-10 minute walk to the MK. I'm not sure a few monorail rides would be enough to make me want to buy high-priced points at the Contemporary DVC, but I'm open to thinking about it if and when it happens.

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by DVCDAVE
JADE1, good point you make. In my opinion, the Contmporary, albeit an exciting location, looks dated in my eyes.

I have to agree. I realize that it's a big part of the whole Disney World experience--particularly given that it was part of the original construction--but it just isn't an attractive building. And right now it's only 30 years old. How will it look in another 50?

Originally posted by gopherit
Of course, the thing that bothers me is the vast rate at which they are adding resorts (all the value resorts, SSR, etc) and haven't really added capacity at the parks. In fact, there has been more than one complaint just this month on rides that were down and areas closed... When we house all these extra folks, they are going to want to GO somewhere... where do we send 'em, Sea World and Universal?

The Magic Kingdom alone has a maximum capacity somewhere upward of 70,000 guests. If memory serves, there are currently about 18,000 - 20,000 guest rooms on WDW property.

While the delayed opening of Pop Century is something of an indication that WDW misjudged the marketplace, as long as there is a demand for DVC, they will probably keep building DVC resorts. And with four theme parks, two water parks, DQ, etc. there is more than enough room for the folks that can be housed on site, and thousands more not staying on WDW property.

In building more guest rooms, Disney's goal is to take dollars away from the off-site resorts. While more guest rooms may diminish on-site perks like Early Entry, I doubt that more and more people will begin flocking to WDW strictly because they have more guest rooms on property. If people choose on-site vs. off-site...great...that's Disney's goal. But I doubt many people are making the decision to visit WDW SOLELY on the basis that a new resort is available.

Originally posted by jarestel
I'm not sure a few monorail rides would be enough to make me want to buy high-priced points at the Contemporary DVC, but I'm open to thinking about it if and when it happens.

This was my fear as well--not only the high selling price of the points but also the high number of points required for a single night's stay. The point charts would almost certainly be higher than BCV/BWV/VWL.

I have a real hang-up regarding the concept of "convenience" at WDW. I am the type of person who doesn't mind walking from one end of a park to the other just to grab a souvenir that I missed or to jump on a ride one more time. There are transportation hurdles at WDW you just cannot overcome.

So, the 15 minutes that might be saved by jumping on the monorail vs. taking a bus (or better, driving) is really insignificant. I just can't place a high value on such a small amount of time when you spend most of your day walking from point to point and standing in lines.

 

[DebbieB]

Originally posted by lovwdwalot
I would look for them to add a new DVC after SSR sells out, isn't that what they did after the BWV was almost sold out? Didn't they than start building the BCV?

VWL was built around the time BWV soldout. Then BCV was after VWL. They pretty much timed the construction so they would be available after the last one soldout. BCV soldout faster than expected, they started SSR pre-sales at the end of last year. I think they delayed the Eagle Pines project because it would have left a large timegap between BCV selling out and EP opening. SSR was quicker to build since they had some exisiting infrastructure from Disney Institute.

 

[doubletrouble_vb]

I don't see how a DVC-Contemporary would add to the number of guests on site. It would add more DVC guests... I figure the price point will be no different than SSR but the number of points to stay there could be significant. That wouldn't be so hot for us DVC'ers. The contemporary purchasers will choose to stay elsewhere rather than their home resort.

The monorail advantage is pretty significant when it comes to getting over to EPCOT.

 

[DrTomorrow]

Originally posted by tjkraz
So, the 15 minutes that might be saved by jumping on the monorail vs. taking a bus (or better, driving) is really insignificant. I just can't place a high value on such a small amount of time when you spend most of your day walking from point to point and standing in lines.

Here's one of the (rare) times I disagree with Tim. Don't know if you've stayed at the CR, but the logistics aren't as simple as you've said. Let's look at leaving the MK at closing. If you're at the CR (or CRV ), you leave the park and get right on an air-conditioned resort monorail; wait time = minimal. You then have a ride of a few minutes over to the CR, and you're home. OTOH, if you drive, you leave the park and either get in line for the ferry or the express monorail. Once you finally do get the parking lot, you board a tram to your car; once in your car, you join the line to get out - then you get to drive to your resort.

And as for the Pixie Dust side of things: there's nothing quite like starting your day by heading off to the MK (or Epcot) on a monorail!

 

[tjkraz]

Originally posted by DrTomorrow
Let's look at leaving the MK at closing....

Yeah, you're right-on there. I guess my thoughts normally gravitate toward the morning hours. But I'll happily grant that it can take a while to get out of the parks at the end of the day. But, to be totally honest, I'm usually the one slowing my wife down and asking "why are you in a hurry" when the day has ended. We usually end up wandering through the shops or just lingering in the parks for a good 20-30 minutes after closing (non-peak seasons, of course.)

It would be naive for me to think that many people share my feelings. I can certainly vouch for the fact that I've spent my fair share of time waiting for a resort bus at the end of a busy day. And, you're right, there is a lot of value to the resort monorail.

But let's just say that it's a perk I can live without.

 

[ClarabelleCow]

the few times we have stayed at the Wilderness Lodge, we would walk from the Mk to the CR, then go out to the pools and take the boat over to the Lodge, it may have taken longer, but very relaxing at the end of the day, even if you needed to go to all the resorts (Poly, GF, Campground), we could have just waited for the boat at the MK, but I like to keep moving!!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Originally posted by gopherit
Of course, the thing that bothers me is the vast rate at which they are adding resorts (all the value resorts, SSR, etc) and haven't really added capacity at the parks. In fact, there has been more than one complaint just this month on rides that were down and areas closed... When we house all these extra folks, they are going to want to GO somewhere... where do we send 'em, Sea World and Universal?
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I think that the same people that are filling the parks are the people buying DVC. I don't think they are two seperate groups. DVC is specifically for people who frequent Disney. So, Disney is trying to house the people already filling the parks, not the other way around.

 

[FLYNZ4]

Originally posted by Disney1fan2002
I think that the same people that are filling the parks are the people buying DVC. I don't think they are two seperate groups. DVC is specifically for people who frequent Disney. So, Disney is trying to house the people already filling the parks, not the other way around.

We have been to WDW so many times, that we simply do not stand in lines anymore... independent of what season we attend. To that extent... I think that we only consume "excess capacity" on the attractions.

The same is not true for the restaurants and other infrastrusture at WDW. We certainly use at least our fair share of those resources. Hence... WDW gets an extra special deal on us... we tend to visit a lot... spend a lot of days... spend our money on food and such at the resorts... but we do not put additional strain on their park capacity issues.

/Jim