FYI RE: "Double Dipping"

[ryansgirl96]

I hope this isn't true... I had a voucher from the DVC special for youngest DS so had to call to get him added so I could make FP+ reservations. When I called the CM specifically told me that I would still be able to pull regular FP. So if that is not the case then I will go Guest Services and have them remove me from FP+. I would rather be able to use regular FP-. Maybe if we use our AP to enter vs MB??

 

[JRawkSteady]

I guess my mistake was linking the APs.

I wonder if I can unlink them

Our APs were linked and we were able to get FP- just fine.

 

[skater]

I wonder what happens if you use the AP to enter the park. I'll be down in two weeks, and I think I'll try that.

 

[jimim]

Our APs were linked and we were able to get FP- just fine.

what dates though? recently like the above poster?

things can change from week to week as we r seeing.

jimi

 

[MaxsDad]

I wonder what happens if you use the AP to enter the park. I'll be down in two weeks, and I think I'll try that.

I am wondering the same thing. I will be down in two weeks but would like to know before then to plan accordingly. I planned on using my FP+ when hopping to a park later in the day, but if I can't pull paper FP I might have to readjust to get some FP+ for the morning, at least for TSM. If it allows you access to the park (which it should) then I don't see why it wouldn't work. At least you shouldn't get the error message that the pass wasn't used to enter the park that day.

 

[carmelhp]

Yes, it still works.

However, we encountered a few CM's that were not happy with us for taking advantage of it.

A piece of advice...

Take off your magic band before approaching the paper FP machines.

You'll avoid the catty CM comments that way.

What did they say? We used both and I didn't hear a peep from anyone. If its allowed the CMs should keep their traps shut.

 

[patrickpiteo]

What did they say? We used both and I didn't hear a peep from anyone. If its allowed the CMs should keep their traps shut.

Amazing half of them CM 's haven't a clue.. When as testers are told they could...

 

[JRawkSteady]

what dates though? recently like the above poster?

things can change from week to week as we r seeing.

jimi

9/25 - 10/6. We just got back this Sunday night.

 

[carmelhp]

At TSM, a female CM said "Oh cool... You're double-dipping. That's against the rules you know."

At ToT, a male CM said "I'm going to allow you to hang on to those FastPasses, but since you're using MB's, you're not allowed to use both systems."

Normally I would stand there and argue with them, but September crowds aren't what they used to be...

How did you manage to find the two most officious, obnoxious, jacklegged CMs in the same park?

 

[dizprincess27]

I have a rather simple probably silly question? I just received our Magic Bands for our upcoming trip and I wanted to know if using the 3 FP+ options you get means you can't get paper FP's anywhere else for other rides? I'm very confused about this

 

[bumbershoot]

Got here Mon and was able to pull FP- with KTTW card on top of FP+. Upgraded to APs. Now we can't pull FP- with KTTW card or AP. so bummed

Have you talked to anyone there about this?

~I don't understand this post at all, this makes absolutely no sense to me. So, I won't even attempt to figure out how and why price bridging would be comparable in any way to using to previously used and expired ticket media to acquire additional fastpasses on top of what Disney has allocated for a specific trip. My comment did not describe or allude to anyone being "sneaky" at all.

~I'm not attempting to "convince" anyone that this is a "loophole." I just don't want to anyone to think that I somehow remotely agree with you because I don't. I totally 1000% disagree with you now, just as I did before. You have not convinced me that this is not a loophole. I'm not saying your "wrong" and I'm "right." It's just that we define and interpret things very very differently.

~Once again, Disney arranged the test for guests to utilize both the FP+ (Magic Band) and FP(Legacy/KTTW). This is perfectly fine and I don't consider this as "double dipping." However, using old expired KTTW and other forms of ticket media to receive even more fastpasses on top of that is double dipping and a loophole. Disney did not design the test for guests to retrieve extra fastpasses through the means of old expired KTTW and other types of expired ticket media. Loophole. Done.

~As I said before, I really hope everyone gets an opportunity to exploit this tiny loophole -- of which Disney is well aware of and will no doubt address sometime later down the road.

So you are referring to using the old KTTWs when you use the term loophole. That's different than what I was thinking. Defining terms is important and is all I've been talking about with you here. To me the word loophole Is a word that has a connotation of sneaky. That's what I was trying to say. And since I was referring to using the cards they give us on current trips in order to get normal FP I didn't feel there was anything sneaky.

Continuing to define terms, when you refer to a loophole that Disney is aware of, etc, for me, that means its not a loophole. . For me , the word is not an accurate word. That's what I'm getting at.

I compared the two (price bridging and using the KTTWs they give us as backup and to get normal FP) because many consider pice bridging to be a "loophole" and you consider this to be a loophole. And I don't.

It's just a lot of words to define terms. That's all. I disagree with the term you use because I consider it to be a term meaning one is being sneaky. You either don't have that connotation OR are specifically meaning using old stuff. Which I admit i did once, because I was curious, and I used it specifically in place of DH's messed up paper ap to get exactly what he would have gotten if the ap wasn't messed up.

And now we are at universal, my son is sick so we are in for a long day or two in the hotel room, and I doubt we will make it back over to Disney during this trip to see what else is changing (or use the FP+s I was able to make weeks ago). So I'm outtie!

 

[patrickpiteo]

I have a rather simple probably silly question? I just received our Magic Bands for our upcoming trip and I wanted to know if using the 3 FP+ options you get means you can't get paper FP's anywhere else for other rides? I'm very confused about this

Plenty posts above saying IT and when you check in saying you can use both FP systems

 

[jtowntoflorida]

We'll have MBs but are not participating in FP+ (didn't link tickets). If I get any catty comments I'll say something in return. The fact is, no matter what people think, MBs do not automatically equal FP+.

 

[knud]

I haven't read the whole thread, but to the previous posters who were talking about MagicBands and APs - my family checked into POR on September 24 with pre-purchased two day base tickets and free dining linked to the MB. The following day we went to Epcot Guest Relations and upgraded the tickets to annual passes.

I don't know if the CM did anything special, but the process was quick and painless, and the APs were linked to our MagicBands without me having to do anything. We were able to enter all the parks with no problems using the bands, as well as use FP+ via the iPhone app and get paper FP with the AP card.

Other than a couple of issues with the portable scanners at table service restaurants, everything worked flawlessly for us for the entire time (we checked out on October 8).

 

[patrickpiteo]

We'll have MBs but are not participating in FP+ (didn't link tickets). If I get any catty comments I'll say something in return. The fact is, no matter what people think, MBs do not automatically equal FP+.

So true

 

[jdcthree]

We'll have MBs but are not participating in FP+ (didn't link tickets). If I get any catty comments I'll say something in return. The fact is, no matter what people think, MBs do not automatically equal FP+.

Exactly. CMs shouldn't say a word.

 

[Emily_H]

I didn't get that little bit of something extra that the other person got! It's not fair! Everyone's experience should be exactly the same all the time! Those kids got to ride the tea cups with Alice and my kid didn't! It's not fair! That couple at check in just got a complimentary upgrade and I didn't! I want the same treatment! Blah blah blah whine whine whine.

socialism at it's finest

I agree with you FigNewton

 

[patrickpiteo]

socialism at it's finest I agree with you FigNewton

Seems like the state of the county now LOL

 

[DisneyDudet]

I would like to know more about the issues with APs on MBs and not being able to obtain FP- now... We leave in 8 days...

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

So you are referring to using the old KTTWs when you use the term loophole. That's different than what I was thinking. Defining terms is important and is all I've been talking about with you here. To me the word loophole Is a word that has a connotation of sneaky. That's what I was trying to say. And since I was referring to using the cards they give us on current trips in order to get normal FP I didn't feel there was anything sneaky.

Continuing to define terms, when you refer to a loophole that Disney is aware of, etc, for me, that means its not a loophole. . For me , the word is not an accurate word. That's what I'm getting at.

I compared the two (price bridging and using the KTTWs they give us as backup and to get normal FP) because many consider pice bridging to be a "loophole" and you consider this to be a loophole. And I don't.

It's just a lot of words to define terms. That's all. I disagree with the term you use because I consider it to be a term meaning one is being sneaky. You either don't have that connotation OR are specifically meaning using old stuff. Which I admit i did once, because I was curious, and I used it specifically in place of DH's messed up paper ap to get exactly what he would have gotten if the ap wasn't messed up.

And now we are at universal, my son is sick so we are in for a long day or two in the hotel room, and I doubt we will make it back over to Disney during this trip to see what else is changing (or use the FP+s I was able to make weeks ago). So I'm outtie!

~First of all, if your son is sick then I agree your time may better spent addressing his needs. Also, I can certainly think of a million different ways to spend my vacation. Frankly, it would *not* be here on a message board misinterpreting statements and challenging words I don't understand.

~Secondly, this post doesn't make any more sense then the others. I still disagree with you 1000% just like before -- even more so. I really don't understand what you are talking about.

~loophole:

• an ambiguity in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent, implied or explicitly stated, of the system.
  
• is an opening or aperture.
  
• a means of escape or evasion; a means or opportunity of evading a rule, law, etc.

~OMG, "loophole" like any other word in any language can hold various meanings and connotations. I never use a word without knowing its full meaning and it's always within its proper context. Clearly, I chose to utilize this word within the broader context of its meaning. Your twisted interpretion of "sneaky" is just pure bizarre to me. I totally accept that you and I are completely day and night in how we interpret and define words.

~For me, words can hold several meanings -- language has never been black and white. Individuals can comprehend, perceive and/or interpret words in countless ways. It's not something I would ever challenge.

~I couldn't imagine spending my days let alone my vacation attempting to define other individuals words, especially with absolutely no basis and limited understanding. It's obnoxious -- notice how I have not attempted to correct anything you've written -- one reason being, I don't understand it at all -- the second reason is that I don't care. I really have no interest in attempting to "convince" anyone of my statement. Everyone is entitled to share their opinion.

~You are free to use whatever word within whatever context you deem acceptable. What you won't do -- is succeed in attempting to define my statements by attaching your ill-conceived and far fetched negative connotations.

~If I wanted to label people who utilize the loophole as sneaky, I would say that. If I wanted to use the word SNEAKY -- I would have used it. Thank you!

~Once again, by under no circumstances did Disney instruct guests to bring their old expired ticket media in order to receive additional fastpasses on top of what has already been allocated for both FP+(Magic Bands) and FP-(Legacy/KTTW).

~Thirdly, this is an obvious loophole in the system that was discovered by someone, who then conveyed this information over here. Just because Disney has opted not to address the matter at this time doesn't necessarily mean they condone it. LOOPHOLE. Done.

~Finally, I hope everyone gets to enjoy this loophole while it lasts!