FWIW to DVC Hot tub users...

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Off of yahoo... I haven't used the jacuzzi's in hotels very often because I've wondered about the plumbing. The last time I poured bleach in it, let it run, then drained it. Anybody else have solutions they are sure will work? This doesn't deal with the aerosol issue tho'.


Whirlpool baths: enter at your own risk By Megan Rauscher
Thu Mar 2, 10:46 AM ET



Better think twice before soothing those aching muscles in a whirlpool bath or hot tub. A new study shows that whirlpool bathtubs can be a breeding ground for a host of disease-causing bacteria.

Dr. Rita B. Moyes a microbiologist at Texas A & M University tested 43 water samples from both private and public whirlpool bathtubs. "Every tub tested had some kind of microbial growth," she told Reuters Health.

"And I was just getting the few organisms I was testing for, so it is probably just the tip of the iceberg as far as what is really present. Also, I did no viral testing," Moyes emphasized.

In 95 percent of the tubs, bacteria derived from feces were present, while 81 percent had fungi and 34 percent contained potentially deadly staphylococcus bacteria.

Moyes explained that a teaspoon of normal tap water contains about 138 bacteria and many samples are bacteria-free. A teaspoon of whirlpool tub water, on the other hand, contains an average of more than 2 million bacteria.

The interior pipes of whirlpool baths that are not filtered or chemically treated, and non-maintained hot tubs, are prime areas for potentially infectious microbes to congregate and grow, Moyes noted. These organisms often form a biofilm - a community of organisms, which work together and are more resistant to cleaners.

When the jets are switched on, the bacteria-packed water gets blown into the tub. "Due to the movement of the water, an aerosol is created that carries these organisms down into your lungs or other orifices - something that doesn't happen in a regular tub," Moyes explained.

The bacteria found in whirlpool baths can lead to a number of diseases, including urinary tract infections, skin infections, and pneumonia.

So who is most at risk? "Of course the young and the old and the immunocompromised should not be exposed, including breathing in the aerosol from outside the tub," Moyes said.

"A chemically maintained hot tub should not be a problem to a healthy person but if you are having recurring infections, consider the tub as a potential source," she added. Moyes' research is published in an online journal called PM Engineer.
 
Before I purchased a whirlpool tub for our home, I did alot of research because I had heard about the spores and bacterial problems.

The good news is, Disney's hot tubs are chemically maintained. The tubs at DVC are not, so a cycle thru before use is recommended.

I use Oxiclean to clean my wp at home and I know bleach helps too.
 
Yeeeck! :crazy2:

I've heard that running diswashing liquid, draining, then bleach, and a clear water run afterward takes care of any so called cooties, but I don't have any other suggestions
 
Not to disparage the OP's article - and not to knock the pixie dust from anyone's eyes - but I bet that the same could be said about almost every surface at WDW. I mean, you KNOW that they don't swab every surface of every seat at every show or attraction, so I'm not sure where the germ-phobia is coming from....

IMHO - YMMV
 

DrTomorrow said:
Not to disparage the OP's article - and not to knock the pixie dust from anyone's eyes - but I bet that the same could be said about almost every surface at WDW. I mean, you KNOW that they don't swab every surface of every seat at every show or attraction, so I'm not sure where the germ-phobia is coming from....

IMHO - YMMV

I'm sure the OP probably isn't germaphobic. Yes, WDW is a germy, dirty, place under that sparkling exterior, but so is any movie theater, grocery store, bank etc. The difference is that Wirlpools operate with jets pushing water at high pressure and speed into places we need not mention :worried: Hot tubs and jacuzzis can give women and some men severe UTIs which I have had and can turn into a kidney infection leading to a need for immediate medical attention. (I'm lucky not to be dead and it was all because of a hot tub) I'm sure that this post was simply meant to warn others of the threat of such an occurance. Me sitting on a dirty seat in a park is not going to give me a UTI but a Jacuzzi can.
 
I agree that I'm not too keen on germy whirlpools -- but I'm not that excited about some of the cleaning agents people may have used. How do you make sure the bleach is really out of the system? I'd be more worried about the reaction I'd have from sitting in bleach. Does DVC clean the tubs? Does anyone know?
 
I'd be more worried about the bedspreads - and I'm not talking bed-bugs.

Watched an investigative report on local news where they went into "decent" hotel rooms & used a "CSI-type" light gizmo that picks up different body fluids....you don't want to know the specifics.:scared:

Then, they added a special dye to toilet basin. Flushed it (with seat open), then put the light on. Spots showed up on surfaces several feet away.

Where's the Lysol?
 
If anyone has some old germy George's, Abe's, Ben's, etc., stick them in an envelope to me and I'll take care of them for you. :rotfl:

Germs are everywhere.
 
doubletrouble_vb said:
Off of yahoo... I haven't used the jacuzzi's in hotels very often because I've wondered about the plumbing. The last time I poured bleach in it, let it run, then drained it. Anybody else have solutions they are sure will work? This doesn't deal with the aerosol issue tho'.


Whirlpool baths: enter at your own risk By Megan Rauscher
Thu Mar 2, 10:46 AM ET



Better think twice before soothing those aching muscles in a whirlpool bath or hot tub. A new study shows that whirlpool bathtubs can be a breeding ground for a host of disease-causing bacteria.

Dr. Rita B. Moyes a microbiologist at Texas A & M University tested 43 water samples from both private and public whirlpool bathtubs. "Every tub tested had some kind of microbial growth," she told Reuters Health.

"And I was just getting the few organisms I was testing for, so it is probably just the tip of the iceberg as far as what is really present. Also, I did no viral testing," Moyes emphasized.

In 95 percent of the tubs, bacteria derived from feces were present, while 81 percent had fungi and 34 percent contained potentially deadly staphylococcus bacteria.

Moyes explained that a teaspoon of normal tap water contains about 138 bacteria and many samples are bacteria-free. A teaspoon of whirlpool tub water, on the other hand, contains an average of more than 2 million bacteria.

The interior pipes of whirlpool baths that are not filtered or chemically treated, and non-maintained hot tubs, are prime areas for potentially infectious microbes to congregate and grow, Moyes noted. These organisms often form a biofilm - a community of organisms, which work together and are more resistant to cleaners.

When the jets are switched on, the bacteria-packed water gets blown into the tub. "Due to the movement of the water, an aerosol is created that carries these organisms down into your lungs or other orifices - something that doesn't happen in a regular tub," Moyes explained.

The bacteria found in whirlpool baths can lead to a number of diseases, including urinary tract infections, skin infections, and pneumonia.

So who is most at risk? "Of course the young and the old and the immunocompromised should not be exposed, including breathing in the aerosol from outside the tub," Moyes said.

"A chemically maintained hot tub should not be a problem to a healthy person but if you are having recurring infections, consider the tub as a potential source," she added. Moyes' research is published in an online journal called PM Engineer.


All I can really say is..."Who didn't know this?!!!!!!" I just posted a few days ago on the king bed or 2 queens thread that I can't understand people turning on those jets-ugh! it's like bathing with a bunch of strangers and then even worse because the bacteria and viruses sit in those pipes (growing) just waiting for someone to turn those jets on-double ugh!

For our whirlpool at home the only one who really uses it is my DD 4. I still flush bleach and white vinegar through the justs for about 15 minutes and then a tub of clean water every 2 months or so. I just have real doubts about housekeeping doing something like this. I bet they just surface clean it.

I've seen the bed spread thing too! As a matter of fact, I remember during the Mike Tyson rape trial the defense presenting evidence that there were other "samples" on the bed spread, not just Tyson's. I'm sure he was staying at a nice hotel too!

I realize germs are everywhere, and I'm not paranoid about them. I don't carry anti-bacterial hand gel around with me at Disney or anywhere else. That whirlpool thing just grosses me out though. I guess I could bring bleach with me, but it just doesn't seem worth the trouble. :)
 
I'm not a germaphobe. However people can and do catch diseases from "wet areas" ...pools, hot tubs and jacuzzis. Frankly I'm not too worried about the bedspreads. Those protein/waste products, bacteria, viruses are most likely sitting in a dry medium not a wet one. Its a pretty tough environment to survive in and for the most part it isn't in contact with any intimate parts of my own.

I DO swim in the pools and use the hottubs by the pool because I figure Disney is servicing these items daily. Of course a lot more people are using those as well.
 
We just got back from OKW and I did the tub of dishwashing detergent, tub of clean water routine, before letting my girls turn on the jets.

They did get to use the tub quite a few times this trip. Even with the cleaning, bits of black particles would wind up at the bottom of the tub after each bath. Not too much though otherwise it would have grossed us out. The girls did finish their bath whenever they noticed any black particles though.

On the last night while they were in the bath, the round silver thingy came loose and fell off - I think it was the filter or drain or something. DH told me not to look to see behind it because it was really gross - black and slimely all over and looked like it had never ever been cleaned. He quickly refastened it and the girls screamed for me to rinse them off and to get them out of the tub.

Glad I didn't see what lurked beneath. But DH assured me that I really shouldn't.

I'll probably forget by next trip and as long as I clean the tub as I deem properly, I'll probably let the girls use the jets - if they have forgotten by then!
 
That would have freaked me out! I hope your kids don't remember! :teeth:
 
Well now that its been determined to be a serious health hazard, I guess we better stop hyping the whirlpool tub as an "ammenity" of the DVC units.

In a jacuzzi tub's plumbing, most of the bacterial growth would likely occur as the unit sits stagnant. Before using, fill and run the tub for 15 minutes with 1-2 cups of bleach or a packet or two of powdered dish detergent. That should significantly reduce the bacterial count in the interior plumbing of the unit. Use and enjoy. When your done with your bath, head over to the MK and ride Splash Mountain. Clutch the handles firmly. After the ride you can smell the bacterial growth that's been transfered to you hands from the 1000's of riders before. :faint: Don't worry though, you can immerse your hands in the whirlpool tub when you get back to the room. :thumbsup2

BTW, many anti-bacterial products in use today just give the user a "good feeling", especially those stupid hand gels. To quote my MIL, "Your not cleaning, your just smearing it around!!
 
Johnnie Fedora said:
BTW, many anti-bacterial products in use today just give the user a "good feeling", especially those stupid hand gels. To quote my MIL, "Your not cleaning, your just smearing it around!!

Wrong. Look around most hospitals and doctors office, there are antibacterial gel dispensers everwhere. They are endorsed as effective by the cdc. Handwashing may well be better but that assumes you are doing it right, warm water, long enough, enough soap, etc. This is something many people dont do esp. kids. Also who is going to wash with soap after going on every ride at DW for example. No one, thats who.

http://www.handhygiene.org/cdcguidelines.asp

Now if your hands are visibly dirty that is different.
 
The dirtiest places are things we all touch every day, like money and telephones. Bathrooms are among the cleanest places, which isn't saying much, but still...I read a study recently that found all our money had those germs on it, but the largest quantity of germs were "bodily fluids", particularly urine and ******l fluid. Are you going to stop handling money? Well, that WOULD take care of the germs associated with WDW.... :sad2:
 
The_Admiral said:
Wrong. Look around most hospitals and doctors office, there are antibacterial gel dispensers everwhere. They are endorsed as effective by the cdc. Handwashing may well be better but that assumes you are doing it right, warm water, long enough, enough soap, etc. This is something many people dont do esp. kids. Also who is going to wash with soap after going on every ride at DW for example. No one, thats who.

Now if your hands are visibly dirty that is different.

Equally, alcohol gels also have to be used in the correct manner and for an approriate amount of time. CDC guidlines are for healthcare workers in a more controlled setting. With appropriate use, they are effective in that "clean setting". In a non-healthcare setting (foodservice/general public), traditional hand washing may be much more effective. (Which method would you trust more after handling raw chicken??)
 
Johnnie Fedora said:
Equally, alcohol gels also have to be used in the correct manner and for an approriate amount of time. CDC guidlines are for healthcare workers in a more controlled setting. With appropriate use, they are effective in that "clean setting". In a non-healthcare setting (foodservice/general public), traditional hand washing may be much more effective. (Which method would you trust more after handling raw chicken??)


And healthcare workers still have to wash their hands with soap and water after three or four uses of foamed alcohol.
 


















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