Ft. Wilderness Cabins becoming DVC?

[Sandisw]

I would guess they will be equivalent to the newer 1br. DVC charts. Not sure how the transportation to the parks will work out though. Seems like it's a pretty good distance to the bus loop and the boat dock.

My guess is going to average 30 - 35 points per night....which puts it closer to the RIV PV studios or the OKW/SSR 1 bedrooms....

It will be interesting how they redevelop that area to make it popular enough for visiting the parks in terms of the transportation. We stayed our very first visit as a family in 1994. We had a minivan but decided to use the buses the first day...that was the one and only time...coming home that night from the boat dock was an additional 30 minutes with all the stops.

 

[Leight19]

My guess is going to average 30 - 35 points per night....which puts it closer to the RIV PV studios or the OKW/SSR 1 bedrooms....

It will be interesting how they redevelop that area to make it popular enough for visiting the parks in terms of the transportation. We stayed our very first visit as a family in 1994. We had a minivan but decided to use the buses the first day...that was the one and only time...coming home that night from the boat dock was an additional 30 minutes with all the stops.

Isn’t 30 to 35 points a night actually more in line with the cheaper 2BRs? I guess I always look at non peak weeks but just looking akv standard view now the 5th most expensive season is 36 points a night (guess 38 if you average weekends). I’d actually say fort wildness priced ~25 would make in line with the cheaper 1br which is still tough sell for me. I can be surprised but I just don’t see what they can do that would be cost effective to make this seem deluxe.

Since it would be moderate resort with square footage closer to the biggest studio then to the smallest 1BR I’d be willing to book somewhere around poly/grand Floridian standard studio point wise max. And this is coming from someone who had fort wilderness cabin as only room I’d ever consider booking cash prior to dvc so I think I’m sorta target audience.

 

[Sandisw]

Isn’t 30 to 35 points a night actually more in line with the cheaper 2BRs? I guess I always look at non peak weeks but just looking akv standard view now the 5th most expensive season is 36 points a night (guess 38 if you average weekends). I’d actually say fort wildness priced ~25 would make in line with the cheaper 1br which is still tough sell for me. I can be surprised but I just don’t see what they can do that would be cost effective to make this seem deluxe.

Since it would be moderate resort with square footage closer to the biggest studio then to the smallest 1BR I’d be willing to book somewhere around poly/grand Floridian standard studio point wise max. And this is coming from someone who had fort wilderness cabin as only room I’d ever consider booking cash prior to dvc so I think I’m sorta target audience.

I would not look at any of the 2042 charts and focus more on the newer resort charts for decisions between studios or 1 bedrooms.

These will sleep 6 which is more than studios and 1 bedrooms at all the resorts. And, the square footage is something that has been used in determining the point chart differences when other resorts are built.

Since these are all going to be the same type of accommodation, the only potential booking difference could be location...maybe they have preferred loops/spots?

Having that one (potentially two) extra sleeping space could be a big plus for some. Sure, there are certainly 2 bedrooms currently that cost around the same as some of the studios at RIV, but people are still choosing smaller spaces like RIV, VGF, and Poly over AKV....

So, these cabins will have two distinct spaces sleeping more people, most likely a kitchen set up similar to the current cabins (not found in studios), and the possibility of a washer and dryer.

If I am a family with kids doing studios...remember, that is the reason many believe the resort studios would be popular...the new DVC market is families who don't want/need those larger type rooms....and I can now get something like this for similar points and don't mind the resort area? Yeah, I think 30 to 35 points per night isn't out of line.

ETA: I just looked at the max reallocation chart for AKV....if all things were equal with no change in seasons or views, for 1 bedrooms they are 36 points....but they sleep 4 vs. these that will sleep 6...so, IMO, I can definitely seem that averaging 30 points a night (if not more)

 

[Nabas]

With the unique ability to sleep 6 quests DVC will not position these as discounted 1 bedroom. I suspect these will be a premium 1 bedroom category.

The niche is to price these (points wise) like one-bedrooms but sleep up to six.

 

[Mikey15]

Looking at points for around my travel week (~44, end Oct early Nov), the only 1b under 200pts is AKV Value. The only studios over 150 are VGF, Poly, and Riv Preferred.

I’d say there’s a potential sweet spot between 150 & 200pts for a week, depending on time of year (obviously more at peak holiday weeks).

 

[ehh]

Isn’t 30 to 35 points a night actually more in line with the cheaper 2BRs? I guess I always look at non peak weeks but just looking akv standard view now the 5th most expensive season is 36 points a night (guess 38 if you average weekends). I’d actually say fort wildness priced ~25 would make in line with the cheaper 1br which is still tough sell for me. I can be surprised but I just don’t see what they can do that would be cost effective to make this seem deluxe.

Since it would be moderate resort with square footage closer to the biggest studio then to the smallest 1BR I’d be willing to book somewhere around poly/grand Floridian standard studio point wise max. And this is coming from someone who had fort wilderness cabin as only room I’d ever consider booking cash prior to dvc so I think I’m sorta target audience.

WDW 2BR average pts/night at or below 40pt/night, lowest to highest, 2023 points chart:

• 30.3pts, AKV Value (might as well not exist, though)
• 37.4pts, AKV Standard View
• 38.1pts, SSR Standard Location
• 38.5pts, OKW Standard and NHH
• 38.6pts, BWV Standard View
• 40.4pts, RIV Standard View

 

[Leight19]

Looking at points for around my travel week (~44, end Oct early Nov), the only 1b under 200pts is AKV Value. The only studios over 150 are VGF, Poly, and Riv Preferred.

I’d say there’s a potential sweet spot between 150 & 200pts for a week, depending on time of year (obviously more at peak holiday weeks).

This is basically where I’m at is it should come in under 1 bedroom value before even considering moderate vs deluxe by square footage alone.

 

[gmi3804]

Maybe there'll be a new Moderate classification of DVC? And if you wanted to use Moderate DVC points at a Deluxe DVD you'd have to pay an x% premium?

 

[Leight19]

I would not look at any of the 2042 charts and focus more on the newer resort charts for decisions between studios or 1 bedrooms.

These will sleep 6 which is more than studios and 1 bedrooms at all the resorts. And, the square footage is something that has been used in determining the point chart differences when other resorts are built.

Since these are all going to be the same type of accommodation, the only potential booking difference could be location...maybe they have preferred loops/spots?

Having that one (potentially two) extra sleeping space could be a big plus for some. Sure, there are certainly 2 bedrooms currently that cost around the same as some of the studios at RIV, but people are still choosing smaller spaces like RIV, VGF, and Poly over AKV....

So, these cabins will have two distinct spaces sleeping more people, most likely a kitchen set up similar to the current cabins (not found in studios), and the possibility of a washer and dryer.

If I am a family with kids doing studios...remember, that is the reason many believe the resort studios would be popular...the new DVC market is families who don't want/need those larger type rooms....and I can now get something like this for similar points and don't mind the resort area? Yeah, I think 30 to 35 points per night isn't out of line.

ETA: I just looked at the max reallocation chart for AKV....if all things were equal with no change in seasons or views, for 1 bedrooms they are 36 points....but they sleep 4 vs. these that will sleep 6...so, IMO, I can definitely seem that averaging 30 points a night (if not more)

Not sure how you’re coming up with average of 36 points per night since even savana view is 36 or lower on weekends for majority of seasons but ignoring math for average points you seem to agree it should be ~20% lower then akv 1 bedroom. I don’t think we’re that far off in relative value but mainly just whatever way we calculate average points.

 

[Sandisw]

Not sure how you’re coming up with average of 36 points per night since even savana view is 36 or lower on weekends for majority of seasons but ignoring math for average points you seem to agree it should be ~20% lower then akv 1 bedroom. I don’t think we’re that far off in relative value but mainly just whatever way we calculate average points.

Using the max allocation point for the resort that can be found in the Multi-site POS.... it is what things would cost if there were no seasons, no views, etc. at the resort....and every day of the year is the same. So, 1 bedrooms here average 36 points and only sleep 4...now, they charge more for different view types which certainly impact things, but you get the picture....basically, this will allow them to market them as a premium product for 1 bedrooms...they sleep more people than both studios and 1 bedrooms at all other DVC resorts....

But, even using Wilderness Lodge (which is BRV) chart, which has no views or categories, its 36 points a night average for the year all things being equal and that is pretty close to where the cabins would be located in terms of proximity to the parks...

 

[bakerworld]

Geez, I can believe the trailers will compare in point value to 3B villas at RIV and GFV.

 

[Sandisw]

Geez, I can believe the trailers will compare in point value to 3B villas at RIV and GFV.

Definitely not that...

 

[aka Charles]

Looking at points for around my travel week (~44, end Oct early Nov), the only 1b under 200pts is AKV Value. The only studios over 150 are VGF, Poly, and Riv Preferred.

I’d say there’s a potential sweet spot between 150 & 200pts for a week, depending on time of year (obviously more at peak holiday weeks).

I think October is a great month to look at for comparisons.
It is on the higher end of the travel periods and also a very popular month at CFW.
To be fair, I believe the comparison should be against the DVC resorts in the same area (Magic Kingdom resorts).
(Animal Kingdom Villas is unique in way too many ways to fairly compare to any other resorts.)

Points for One Week in October
	Standard Studio	Sleeps	Standard 1-Bedroom	Sleeps
Bolder Ridge	125	5	255	4
Copper Creek	123	4	259	4
Bay Lake Tower	132	4	247	5
Grand Floridian	158	5	317	5
Polynesian	160	5
Average	139.6		269.5

If the point chart has these new cabins going for under 250/week in October they may have a winner on their hands.
That would be just under a 36/night average and sleep 1 to 2 more guests than any 1-bedroom in the area.
If they can get the points down close to 200/week in October, it will be a slam dunk.
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[ehh]

Might as well show a breakdown of every room at or below 40pts/night at WDW for reference. 2023 points chart, average pts/night over 365 days (calculated as if you reserved it for a full 365, then divided by 365):

• 10.4pts - AKV Value - Studio
• 13.4pts - OKW Standard and NHH - Studio
• 13.6pts - BWV Standard - Studio
• 15.4pts - RIV - Tower Studio
• 14.5pts - SSR Standard - Studio
• 14.6pts - AKV Standard - Studio
• 16.4pts - SSR Preferred - Studio
• 17.3pts - CCV - Studio
• 17.4pts - BRV - Studio
• 17.4pts - BCV - Studio
• 17.7pts - BWV Garden/Pool, Boardwalk - Studio
• 17.9tps - BLT Standard - Studio
• 18.1pts - AKV Savanna - Studio
• 19.1pts - RIV Standard - Studio
• 20.2pts - BLT Lake - Studio
• 20.9pts - VGF Standard - Studio
• 21.7pts - PVB Standard - Studio
• 22.4pts - AKV Value - 1BR
• 22.9pts - AKV Concierge - Studio
• 23.8pts - RIV Preferred - Studio
• 24.1pts - BLT Theme Park - Studio
• 25.1pts - VGF Lake, Lagoon - Stdui
• 25.8pts - PVB Lake - Studio
• 28.1pts - BWV Standard - 1BR
• 28.2pts - OKW Standard and NHH - 1BR
• 28.7pts - AKV Standard - 1BR
• 29.7pts - SSR Standard - 1BR
• 30.3pts - AKV Value - 2BR
• 31.0pts - VGF Theme Park - Studio
• 34.2pts - BLT Standard - 1BR
• 34.2pts - SSR Preferred - 1RB
• 35.2pts - AKV Savanna - 1BR
• 35.3pts - BRV - 1BR
• 35.4pts - CCV - 1BR
• 35.4pts - BCV - 1BR
• 35.8pts - BWV Garden/Pool, Boardwalk - 1BR
• 37.4pts - AKV Standard - 2BR
• 38.1pts - SSR Standard - 2BR
• 38.5pts - OKW Standard and NHH - 2BR
• 38.6pts - BWV Standard - 2BR
• 39.1pts - BLT Lake - 1BR
• 40.4pts - RIV Standard - 1BR

From this, somewhere between AKV Value 1BR (22.4/night, 157/wk) and VGF TPV Studio (31.0/night, 217/wk) is where it'd make sense to me. I could even seeing dropping right between the main Studio/1BR crossover between PVB Lake Studio (25.8/night, 181/wk) and BWV Standard 1BR (28.1/night, 197/wk).

 

[Cfabar1]

My predictions:

- Huge annual dues given the spread out nature of the property, increased landscaping costs, and the fact it is likely the units will need to be entirely replaced once during the ownership period.

- Points chart will have to reflect a sweet spot between Studios and 1 BRs. They can't price this as high as a 1 BR monorail resort in my view - the rooms are smaller, it is not as convenient. The high annual dues will have to be reflected in the points chart as well.

 

[StevieB81]

I'd think it would be less than this, but it might give an idea of how DVC will value these cabins? I don't know the amount of depreciation in point value when booking a regular room, but I'm sure someone here does. Maybe 2/3 of what the chart shows, unless they're going to make significant improvements?

Also, comparing these to 1bdrm villas doesn't make sense to me. 1bdrm villas have a full kitchen and a washer/dryer. That's a huge difference. These are kind of like super studios. Plus, it sounds like it not really convenient to get anywhere? If you need a bus to get to the boat, is that much of a transportation advantage?

 

[Stargazer65]

We stayed our very first visit as a family in 1994. We had a minivan but decided to use the buses the first day...that was the one and only time...coming home that night from the boat dock was an additional 30 minutes with all the stops.

Haha...same here. We made our first trip there as a family at the cabins and bought DVC that trip. Next year stay at BLT and SSR. What a difference in transportation between the cabins and SSR/BLT...night and day. I would hope transportation will be improved at CFW when they open.

 

[Spivey378]

I will consider getting a fixed week the week of Halloween if it looks like a good value.

 

[Cybertruck]

Might as well show a breakdown of every room at or below 40pts/night at WDW for reference. 2023 points chart, average pts/night over 365 days (calculated as if you reserved it for a full 365, then divided by 365):

• 10.4pts - AKV Value - Studio
• 13.4pts - OKW Standard and NHH - Studio
• 13.6pts - BWV Standard - Studio
• 15.4pts - RIV - Tower Studio
• 14.5pts - SSR Standard - Studio
• 14.6pts - AKV Standard - Studio
• 16.4pts - SSR Preferred - Studio
• 17.3pts - CCV - Studio
• 17.4pts - BRV - Studio
• 17.4pts - BCV - Studio
• 17.7pts - BWV Garden/Pool, Boardwalk - Studio
• 17.9tps - BLT Standard - Studio
• 18.1pts - AKV Savanna - Studio
• 19.1pts - RIV Standard - Studio
• 20.2pts - BLT Lake - Studio
• 20.9pts - VGF Standard - Studio
• 21.7pts - PVB Standard - Studio
• 22.4pts - AKV Value - 1BR
• 22.9pts - AKV Concierge - Studio
• 23.8pts - RIV Preferred - Studio
• 24.1pts - BLT Theme Park - Studio
• 25.1pts - VGF Lake, Lagoon - Stdui
• 25.8pts - PVB Lake - Studio
• 28.1pts - BWV Standard - 1BR
• 28.2pts - OKW Standard and NHH - 1BR
• 28.7pts - AKV Standard - 1BR
• 29.7pts - SSR Standard - 1BR
• 30.3pts - AKV Value - 2BR
• 31.0pts - VGF Theme Park - Studio
• 34.2pts - BLT Standard - 1BR
• 34.2pts - SSR Preferred - 1RB
• 35.2pts - AKV Savanna - 1BR
• 35.3pts - BRV - 1BR
• 35.4pts - CCV - 1BR
• 35.4pts - BCV - 1BR
• 35.8pts - BWV Garden/Pool, Boardwalk - 1BR
• 37.4pts - AKV Standard - 2BR
• 38.1pts - SSR Standard - 2BR
• 38.5pts - OKW Standard and NHH - 2BR
• 38.6pts - BWV Standard - 2BR
• 39.1pts - BLT Lake - 1BR
• 40.4pts - RIV Standard - 1BR

From this, somewhere between AKV Value 1BR (22.4/night, 157/wk) and VGF TPV Studio (31.0/night, 217/wk) is where it'd make sense to me. I could even seeing dropping right between the main Studio/1BR crossover between PVB Lake Studio (25.8/night, 181/wk) and BWV Standard 1BR (28.1/night, 197/wk).

Impressive math! Hopefully you had an extra cup of coffee before this journey. My only pause what other additions the resort will include like a water side restaurant and stilted treehouse-type structures mentioned in the past as part of reflections. Also if the room does not in room laundry it is at the lower end of the spectrum in my view.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Well, they're going to have a hard time convincing me to pay even 1 BR point values unless the individual cabins have a washer/dryer, no matter how many they sleep.