FP+ Work Around, how to get more FP in a day thread?

[Andyman33]

Miss Judgerson,
First, what disses? I haven't been dissing anyone. I've been dissed publicly, but to merely state that something didn't have credit or link is dissing someone? It wasn't even placed in context. I've seen the individual you mentioned attempt to berate a number of people or their works publicly both indirectly and directly. If you see evidence of my doing so, please point that out to me. I'll be the first to remedy the situation.
Second, I clearly stated in the article that I was trying to see what is WRONG with the app. I welcome Disney fixing all their open issues. In my opinion this is something that should have been caught in Alpha testing or at minimum Beta testing. I don't really need to use this. I live here and can ride things when I want to ride and go when the parks are less busy. Be sure to read the article in it's entirety before going off on me or what I wrote. If it were presented in the local newspaper it would be "journalism," but a blog is somehow different? I gave every step and it's up to Disney to repair this open issue.

I think that in practice, someone who relies on using this little trick is more or less doing you a favor if you're competing for the Fastpasses.

If the park doesn't have the passes tiered at the time, it means the trickster is sacrificing pre-booking of two valuable slots (by booking Stitch and Aladin or whatever for late in the day not to use) to set up the trick, gambling that what's available on their park day is worth it. If that's the case the fastpass wasn't that critical to begin with because the park isn't crowded.

If the park is tiered at the time, then they are using their two worthless lower tiered slots for the set up, but will find that either (1) there's nothing worth booking the first time they try to change their floating fastpass time because Disney guessed right and the parks are packed, or (2) The parks are less crowded than expected and you're back in the same scenario as above.

No i'm not saying that you're skipping that 4 yo to get the fp+. You're skipping all those 4 yo in the standby line by being in the fastpass line...

 

[kennythepirate]

oh I dont' judge you as a person for this. I just think its wrong to put out there for everyone. With that being said, again you have an amazing website thta you put your time into -- time that I can't even imagine. And I have used your website a TON both in planning and entertainment. so thank you

You're welcome and thanks for the kind words and willingness to disagree in a nice way.

 

[Andyman33]

its all good

 

[Angel Ariel]

agree that testing is good KTP. and your site is awesome. but putting this out there so a bunch of people can use this workaround isn't good either...then its not testing its exploiting

My bigger concern/question is why no one at Disney caught this in their own testing and fixed it before beginning the beta testing with guests

 

[Angel Ariel]

I hope it's not going to be an issue of FP+ replacing FP- completely. It would be a nice complement to the existing system, like a perk for resort guests but pleeeeeeeeeaaaaase don't get rid of paper FP.

Disney has said the legacy system will be replaced, not enhanced, by FP+

 

[surferdave]

No i'm not saying that you're skipping that 4 yo to get the fp+. You're skipping all those 4 yo in the standby line by being in the fastpass line...

I'm not following this. Are you saying using fastpass is unfair to the 4 yo's in line?

 

[patty57]

My bigger concern/question is why no one at Disney caught this in their own testing and fixed it before beginning the beta testing with guests

Based on how buggy the MDE program is, this isn't even a little surprising.

 

[patty57]

I'm not following this. Are you saying using fastpass is unfair to the 4 yo's in line?

I think that he's saying that using fastpass in this way is unfair to the four-year olds in line. Using it the proper way is fair.

 

[Andyman33]

My bigger concern/question is why no one at Disney caught this in their own testing and fixed it before beginning the beta testing with guests

I disagree with this completely. How many games (and this is like a video game type thing) are put into beta testing and they ASK people to try and find exploits like this. However, they usually ask you to tell them about it, which is a way KTP is doing.
It's kinda like that guy that finds an exploit in a video game to shoot everyone from under the map.
I guess as I talk more in this thread I'm thinking that this is a lot better to put it on the blog than to keep it for himself...they'll patch this soon enough I'm sure.

 

[Andyman33]

I'm not following this. Are you saying using fastpass is unfair to the 4 yo's in line?

No my whole point is that when you use a fast pass you are skipping people in line. If, however, we all have access to skip a certain number of lines a day or use the fastpasses equally (without a glitch in the system) then its fair. If you KNOW you are using a glitch to get it then it is skipping the line. Some people would use this glitch to think they are "beating Disney". But truly, using this glitch isn't beating disney...just other customers.

 

[patty57]

I guess as I talk more in this thread I'm thinking that this is a lot better to put it on the blog than to keep it for himself...they'll patch this soon enough I'm sure.

I don't know. The double, triple and whatever dipping that is going on with old KTWs is still going on...

 

[Momtomouselover]

It does seem unfair and I certainly wouldn't cut in front of a child or anyone for that matter in line (and your right my first thought was way to beat Disney!). However, I think that what clouds the judgement is that right now the whole system has lots on inequalities and seems unfair to me. First, there are people who can pull FP- and FP+ ( most resort guests), then there are those that can only pull FP- (off site and AP who haven't stayed on site) and maybe more then those in the final group who can only pull FP+ (Pop). Now there is this category which is the ability to pull unlimited FP+ (kind of like the FP-) but limited by immediate availability. Then there is the whole feeling that tiering is very limiting and is taking away a benefit we once had, only 3FP, the whole issue of MB's/MDE not being reliable and so on.

I have a hard time seeing this as any worse than the FP- and FP+ loophole using KTTW cards (and actually find it less problematic then triple dipping with expired cards- MB, KTTW and other media). The whole thing is a cluster and at the prices people pay it shouldn't be.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I disagree with this completely. How many games (and this is like a video game type thing) are put into beta testing and they ASK people to try and find exploits like this. However, they usually ask you to tell them about it, which is a way KTP is doing.
It's kinda like that guy that finds an exploit in a video game to shoot everyone from under the map.
I guess as I talk more in this thread I'm thinking that this is a lot better to put it on the blog than to keep it for himself...they'll patch this soon enough I'm sure.

Except, as you pointed out, disney hasn't been specifically asking people to find the bugs in the system. The way they are treating this with guests is as if they are gradually rolling it out, and using "testing" as an excuse when things go wrong. They aren't actively telling people "hey,we need you to find the bugs for us". That's what I meant. With a corporation of Disney's size and means, there's no reason they shouldn't have had someone tasked with essentially hacking the app and figuring out how to prevent those hacks, just as Kenny did.

How Disney has handled this entire thing,coupled with the intermittent wireless/3-4g signals in the parks,and the cumbersome interface of the app and website has not left me with much, if any,confidence in this system.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I don't know. The double, triple and whatever dipping that is going on with old KTWs is still going on...

That loophole has to remain open as long as any resorts are giving guests kttw that access fp- without having to use it to enter the park (aka using magic bands for entry). As soon as Disney puts all resorts in the testing phase that pop is in now,I would expect that loophole to be closed.

 

[patty57]

It does seem unfair and I certainly wouldn't cut in front of a child or anyone for that matter in line (and your right my first thought was way to beat Disney!). However, I think that what clouds the judgement is that right now the whole system has lots on inequalities and seems unfair to me. First, there are people who can pull FP- and FP+ ( most resort guests), then there are those that can only pull FP- (off site and AP who haven't stayed on site) and maybe more then those in the final group who can only pull FP+ (Pop). Now there is this category which is the ability to pull unlimited FP+ (kind of like the FP-) but limited by immediate availability. Then there is the whole feeling that tiering is very limiting and is asking away a benefit we once had, the whole issue of MB's not being reliable and so on.

I have a hard time seeing this as any worse than the FP- and FP+ loophole using KTTW cards (and actually find it less problematic then triple dipping with expired cards- MB, KTTW and other media). The whole thing is a cluster and at the prices people pay it shouldn't be.

Lot of truth in this. Cluster **** is exactly right.

 

[wisblue]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to do something like this to intentionally circumvent the system essentially forfeits his right to complain about anything with FP+ being unfair. It's just like using old KTTW cards to pull paper FPs.

Doing something that you know isn't supposed to be done just because you can get away with it does not appeal to me. But, when something as important as getting on a ride at WDW is at stake, integrity goes out the window for some people.

What's next? Slipping a bottle of soda out of one of the refreshment carts because the college program employee isn't looking and there are no security cameras to catch you?

 

[g-dad66]

I guess as I talk more in this thread I'm thinking that this is a lot better to put it on the blog than to keep it for himself.

Exactly.

they'll patch this soon enough I'm sure.

Wouldn't be so sure of that.

Frankly, I think few people will
(a) learn of this
(b) take advantage of it at all
(c) gain much even if they use it.

It might give someone a ride on TSM or Soarin that they wouldn't have done otherwise, but few people are going to go to the trouble of doing much more than that.

 

[surferdave]

No my whole point is that when you use a fast pass you are skipping people in line. If, however, we all have access to skip a certain number of lines a day or use the fastpasses equally (without a glitch in the system) then its fair. If you KNOW you are using a glitch to get it then it is skipping the line. Some people would use this glitch to think they are "beating Disney". But truly, using this glitch isn't beating disney...just other customers.

Okay. I'm not sure why you quoted me here, I was just making a case for why I think trying to use this loop hole is probably not advantageous and if anything leaves more good passes for everyone else.

 

[wn01aa]

I disagree with this completely. How many games (and this is like a video game type thing) are put into beta testing and they ASK people to try and find exploits like this. However, they usually ask you to tell them about it, which is a way KTP is doing.
It's kinda like that guy that finds an exploit in a video game to shoot everyone from under the map.
I guess as I talk more in this thread I'm thinking that this is a lot better to put it on the blog than to keep it for himself...they'll patch this soon enough I'm sure.

While I am sure they might find a solution to this eventually, I am not sure how fast they can fix it. I thought all the other ways people are getting FP- and shouldn't (using room-only KTTW cards, expired tickets, etc) would have been stopped by now, but haven't. The only reason this might get fixed sooner is that it is a problem with FP+ and not FP-. Although there are many glithes with other things that still need to be fixed too.

 

[sharadoc]

A friend who was there in October found that they could walk around to the entrance and ride again if they were still within their FP time. So multiple rides within that hour window. Not sure if they always scanned at both checkpoints though. Discovered by accident - they had FP+ then also pulled a paper FP for BTMRR, used FP+ first, then went through again with the paper. Her DH accidentally scanned his MB instead and it worked. So they tested it other places and it always worked.