FP + What we know and what we want to know

[bcrook]

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So if Disney thinks this is leveling the playing field, couldn't I complain that since I have to leave early for work on the day my 60 day window for FP becomes available, that when I am able to make my reservations that evening, all the FP's are gone. I guess I will take that day off work. LOL

And things like enchanted tales with belle and Jedi academy could end up in that category.

 

[doconeill]

Crossover (aka: park hopping) is a major reason Epcot doesn't have a parade. The daily strain on the monorail system and entry when people flocked to Epcot from their first park-of-choice for the afternoon and evening performance of Tapestry was an expense Disney simply didn't want. It short, a major spike, and couldn't be worked into the daily operations without vast over-staffing for the rest of the day.

Disney's solution? Eliminate the spike. They got rid of the parade despite it still being relatively popular at the time it closed. Yes it needed to be "redone" again to refresh it, but the MK parade has done that dozens of times without major changes at this point. Note that the same fireworks show that features the parade puppets still plays nightly.

So park-hopping can sometimes be a liability to Disney. Similarly, it was seen as a problem at the Disneyland Resort with World of Color - guests would start at Disneyland, run over to DCA for the World of Color, then run back to Disneyland for the rest of their night. Disney didn't want that type of touring pattern and the Electronica and such sprung up to try and keep guests in DCA after and before World of Color in the evenings. Dashing to Disneyland to see Fantasmic or the Fireworks was to be stopped.

I thought the real problem with the parade was clearance around the WC, along with wind issues with some of the costumes?

I don't know much about TIW because I have never had an AP. do they limit the number of people on your party that can use it? Say I have 4 people in my family and we are meeting up with friends that has a party of 10. So could all 14 use the TIW card if we have it all on one check? If so, linking the TIW card to the band could limit the number of people using my TIW, just the ones I have linked to my account. Could save Disney a bunch of money.

TIW is limited to 10 guests on the check.

And really, if you feel what Disney believes about guest habits to be wrong, the bands are the best thing to solve that problem. They will know much more clearly what different guest groups do and how and when.

This does make sense. It will get more direct feedback about guests and their park habits. A lot of valuable data for Disney.

Pal Mickey vibrated and laughed - it was consistently ignored by guests.

It would require holding it by someone who knew what it meant...it often was left in a stroller, or held be a child who didn't care if it vibrated...

 

[Robo]

Illuminations was not the problem, it was the parade.

You made the statement that Disney didn't want hopping from the "park of choice" to Epcot later in the day.

They continue to offer IllumiNations nightly at Epcot and guests hop there pretty consistently.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

You made the statement that Disney didn't want hopping from the "park of choice" to Epcot later in the day.

They continue to offer IllumiNations nightly at Epcot and guests hop there pretty consistently.

We hop to Epcot pretty consistently to partake of the ethnic (-ish) restaurant fare, particularly when staying at the Beach Club. I wonder how many people do that, who don't care for illuminations (we don't), and wouldn't see an Epcot parade if there was one (we wouldn't)... curious... oh, how I wish I had data...

 

[mousermerf]

You made the statement that Disney didn't want hopping from the "park of choice" to Epcot later in the day.

They continue to offer IllumiNations nightly at Epcot and guests hop there pretty consistently.

At 6pm, which is standard crossover for all parks. It was the afternoon parade at Epcot that caused the problems.

When Crossover for parks is mutual the buses, boats, monorails.. aren't try to just move people to one location for an hour. People are also leaving and going back the other way, and leaving to go home. A midday crossover was deemed too much of a pain in the butt to keep things going.

You can cite whatever opinion you want, but I know why this decision was made. I'm being gracious in sharing that information to explain why decisions people may not understand are made... and the constant attitude in response is really not making me want to be so forthcoming.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

You can cite whatever opinion you want, but I know why this decision was made. I'm being gracious in sharing that information to explain why decisions people may not understand are made... and the constant attitude in response is really not making me want to be so forthcoming.

I appreciate the info... ALL actual info.

Pssssst... if you have spreadsheets you'd like to share, send 'em my way! Yup... Data junkie...

 

[Disney_Princess83]

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You and I were thinking the same thing. We have hopped over from AK and HS many times to see Illuminations

 

[Disney_Princess83]

And really, if you feel what Disney believes about guest habits to be wrong, the bands are the best thing to solve that problem. They will know much more clearly what different guest groups do and how and when.

Which for some guests will actually be a problem. We never pay for anything using our KTTW card. I don't need Disney to know exactly what I'm buying, where I'm dining, what I'm snacking on.

Using our AP's they can see what park we are in, what FP's we have taken for the day and that's more than enough.

If they go to the entire effort to matching our AP to our room reservation, then I can't stop them but I won't be giving them our entire daily movements.

 

[mousermerf]

Which for some guests will actually be a problem. We never pay for anything using our KTTW card. I don't need Disney to know exactly what I'm buying, where I'm dining, what I'm snacking on.

Using our AP's they can see what park we are in, what FP's we have taken for the day and that's more than enough.

If they go to the entire effort to matching our AP to our room reservation, then I can't stop them but I won't be giving them our entire daily movements.

So you're going to loudly complain about how the data isn't right but do everything in your power to further sabotage the collection of accurate data.

Nice.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

If they go to the entire effort to matching our AP to our room reservation, then I can't stop them but I won't be giving them our entire daily movements.

I respect that some people feel this way. May I ask why you don't want Disney knowing/linking together all this stuff? I'm genuinely interested.

And I'm someone who worries that Google is looking to run our lives, btw! I create separate accounts for different things and keep them disconnected (take that, Google!). But I struggle to understand why it would be problematic within the context of a Disney vacation... I'd love your input.

 

[doconeill]

So you're going to loudly complain about how the data isn't right but do everything in your power to further sabotage the collection of accurate data.

Nice.

Disney should be assuming that some percentage of people feel that way and won't link in, and they certainly WILL know what percentage. So it really doesn't matter.

 

[finedice]

Which for some guests will actually be a problem. We never pay for anything using our KTTW card. I don't need Disney to know exactly what I'm buying, where I'm dining, what I'm snacking on.

Using our AP's they can see what park we are in, what FP's we have taken for the day and that's more than enough.

No CC payments at restaurants? Cash only all the time? No ADRs? They have surely been tracking any CC purchases at the least.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

So you're going to loudly complain about how the data isn't right but do everything in your power to further sabotage the collection of accurate data.

Nice.

Loudly? Yep, I'm organising a protest outside Magic Kingdom tomorrow. And it's going to be good!

Disney does NOT need my data because they already have all of my money! We are one family, if Disney's data collection is sabotaged because they cant get one families personal data, then it's likely their data collection system was created by the same person who created their website.

I respect that some people feel this way. May I ask why you don't want Disney knowing/linking together all this stuff? I'm genuinely interested.

And I'm someone who worries that Google is looking to run our lives, btw! I create separate accounts for different things and keep them disconnected (take that, Google!). But I struggle to understand why it would be problematic within the context of a Disney vacation... I'd love your input.

It's not that I worry what Disney will do with the information. Although I don't think that Disney needs to know absolutely everything we do and buy in the park. According to some people in this thread, Disney has been tracking the "uber FP user" which is the main reason they are creating FP+. I actually don't beleive that but just because I don't beleive that, doesn't make it true.

Whatever data Disney collects on people, goes straight to various departments. These departments work on marketing, data analysis and in general, how to design a system that gets more money from it's customers. Their systems aren't exactly designed to make people more satisfied with their experience.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Disney and happily hand over my money to them for a vacation. But I don't see why Disney needs to know exactly where we are everyday, how much we are spending in the parks. They get their money from us, I don't see why they need to know what we bought a popcorn and coke at 11:33am in Adventureland, pulled a FP for Jungle Cruise at 12:03pm, spend $85.83 on a jacket, keychain, coffee mug and a CD in Fantasyland at 1:13pm, used the restrooms at 1:46pm lmao: okay I made that last one up but you never know.... )

I can't control what Disney does. Could their system connect our AP or our room reservation and still track our FP's and park entrys Of course, if they do, good luck to them. I'll stay vacation there. I just feel uncomfortable how big corporations are now taking so much data and using it (usually not for the benefit of the customer) As I said, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Disney and will continue to vacation there.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

No CC payments at restaurants? Cash only all the time? No ADRs? They have surely been tracking any CC purchases at the least.

We do cash for almost everything (although this is more to keep track of our exact spending) We do make ADR's but we don't connect them to our room reservation.

 

[bcrook]

We do cash for almost everything (although this is more to keep track of our exact spending) We do make ADR's but we don't connect them to our room reservation.

I used gift cards last summer for all meals. Would that be tracked back to my bank account and my name? Just curious.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I used gift cards last summer for all meals. Would that be tracked back to my bank account and my name? Just curious.

I doubt it but it's possible.

At the end of the day, I can't stop what Disney accesses. Obviously I've bought everything directly from them (AP, hotel reservation ect) If they connect them and decide my information is that valuable to them, then so be it. However I KNOW that if I put everything on my KTTW card then they will have absolutely all my information.

 

[doggydoc]

And, THAT is the whole deal in a nutshell.

All of this "they will do X and Y" has no bearing if...

And, that may or may not happen regarding every single thing that has been discussed.

Which is why I think it is appropriate for those of us that don't like the proposed format to voice that opinion. It's not spreading "doom and gloom" it's simply voicing an opinion on a proposed change that we feel will impact us negatively. Who knows we may be heard and changes reconsidered.

 

[Robo]

You can cite whatever opinion you want, but I know why this decision was made.

You seem to "know" all kinds of things.

What I know is there can be many reasons corporate decisions are made.
Most are a based on a combination of situations.

One decision was made to offer the parade.

Another was made to update and modify it (but continue it) after the 2000 year-change celebration was over.

Another decision was made to stop the parade entirely.

Somewhere in there the park hopping was likely considered and discussed.
It may have been seen as a GOOD thing by some and a BAD thing by others,
but to claim that THE one deciding factor for the parade cancellation was unwanted park-hopping to Epcot is less than likely.

Staffing with CM's for parade crowd control, congestion for foot traffic in WS, and physical ailments with the CM's wearing the giant wind-resisting puppets were
also problems for those (really GOOD) Epcot parades.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

You seem to "know" all kinds of things.

What I know is there can be many reasons corporate decisions are made.
Most are a based on a combination of situations.

One decision was made to offer the parade.

Another was made to update and modify it (but continue it) after the 2000 year-change celebration was over.

Another decision was made to stop the parade entirely.

Somewhere in there the park hopping was likely considered and discussed.
It may have been seen as a GOOD thing by some and a BAD thing by others,
but to claim that THE one deciding factor for the parade cancellation was unwanted park-hopping to Epcot is less than likely.

Staffing with CM's for parade crowd control, congestion for foot traffic in WS, and physical ailments with the CM's wearing the giant wind-resisting puppets were
also problems for those (really GOOD) Epcot parades.

 

[Robo]

Which is why I think it is appropriate for those of us that don't like the proposed format to voice that opinion. It's not spreading "doom and gloom" it's simply voicing an opinion on a proposed change that we feel will impact us negatively. Who knows we may be heard and changes reconsidered.

Agreed.