FP+ is Live! Magic Bands in the park!

Actually the "more money" argument has far less to do with the fewer lines and far more to do with the data mining the Magic Bands supposedly will give Disney. The whole idea is to get to know your customers better and have an open line with them for targeted advertising.

Crowd control and the "shorter" lines are just a byproduct of what Disney has invested its money in.

Then this whole idea is even worse than it seemed before - if it is purely so WDW can play Big Brother, track your every move and then "mine the data" for marketing strategies to try and up sell their guests. In the mean time a big chunk money that could have been spent on things their guests could see and get excited about is being spent on a complicated high tech system, that appears that it will substantially alter how their guests currently tour, and not necessarily in a good way, while not offering them anything new wrt attractions. Doesn't seem too smart, especially since over at Universal there is word of a bunch of new stuff coming. Sounds like a great way to actually put people off.
 
Then this whole idea is even worse than it seemed before - if it is purely so WDW can play Big Brother, track your every move and then "mine the data" for marketing strategies to try and up sell their guests. In the mean time a big chunk money that could have been spent on things their guests could see and get excited about is being spent on a complicated high tech system, that appears that it will substantially alter how their guests currently tour, and not necessarily in a good way, while not offering them anything new wrt attractions. Doesn't seem too smart, especially since over at Universal there is word of a bunch of new stuff coming. Sounds like a great way to actually put people off.

The above is the Reader's Digest version of this whole 1080-post thread. :goodvibes
 
I have read every post on this thread (and the ones merged in). I am fascinated! I am not an IT person but I am a "bean counter" so it has been very educational to me. Just a couple of points and I'll go back to popcorn::

I have seen ads featuring "New Fantasyland" on TV. They don't seem to appeal to anyone but little girls.

I go to Orlando every four years. I went once to Disney only, once to US/IOA only (before WWHP) and once to both with a split stay. My next trip is also a split stay but instead of 6 nights @ Disney and 4 nights @ Universal on site, it will be 4 nights Disney @ a Value instead of Deluxe, 2 nights Sea World Area resort and 4 nights @ Universal.

Even only going every four years, the addition of a mild roller coaster such as the Mine Train and some new theming in Fantasyland is not enough to warrant more than a day in each park doing my faves. Now, take away my ability to FP my favorites? How about 2 days at Disney and add a couple of days at Busch Gardens or Kennedy Space or whatever.

Thanks for listening. Carry on.:surfweb:
 
I have read every post on this thread (and the ones merged in). I am fascinated! I am not an IT person but I am a "bean counter" so it has been very educational to me. Just a couple of points and I'll go back to popcorn::

I have seen ads featuring "New Fantasyland" on TV. They don't seem to appeal to anyone but little girls.

I go to Orlando every four years. I went once to Disney only, once to US/IOA only (before WWHP) and once to both with a split stay. My next trip is also a split stay but instead of 6 nights @ Disney and 4 nights @ Universal on site, it will be 4 nights Disney @ a Value instead of Deluxe, 2 nights Sea World Area resort and 4 nights @ Universal.

Even only going every four years, the addition of a mild roller coaster such as the Mine Train and some new theming in Fantasyland is not enough to warrant more than a day in each park doing my faves. Now, take away my ability to FP my favorites? How about 2 days at Disney and add a couple of days at Busch Gardens or Kennedy Space or whatever.

Thanks for listening. Carry on.:surfweb:

Yup. Reasons I would go next year, are universal and Harry potter and sea world and Antarctica. We said in 09 that we would only go back once things change a little more. Other parks have done this, disney haven't changed all that much tbh. Now they are changing the wrong thing. I think your story might become more and more common.

And yes robo, that is the correct question :p and that readers digest post is worth laminating and mailing to disney hq. I say we pay for a copy each, and ill stump up for a clown to ride through the offices on a unicycle with a "release more information" sign. They can't ignore that surely ;)

Also, 1080 posts? Wow! Though I think at least 150-200 of my posts have been in some version of a fp thread lol!
 

Then this whole idea is even worse than it seemed before - if it is purely so WDW can play Big Brother, track your every move and then "mine the data" for marketing strategies to try and up sell their guests. In the mean time a big chunk money that could have been spent on things their guests could see and get excited about is being spent on a complicated high tech system, that appears that it will substantially alter how their guests currently tour, and not necessarily in a good way, while not offering them anything new wrt attractions. Doesn't seem too smart, especially since over at Universal there is word of a bunch of new stuff coming. Sounds like a great way to actually put people off.

The above is the Reader's Digest version of this whole 1080-post thread. :goodvibes

What we need is some "surprise and delight" thrown in. Maybe the MagicBand All Star A Capella group can tip the scales.

Seriously though I agree with Robo's assessment. Maiapapaya's post is the perfect abstract for this study.

Unless Rileygirl's next post can refute. Looking forward to it.
 
Assuming it actually makes lines shorter of course. I've heard bad things about the fp plus test at HM for example.

Well, if they actually read these boards, they would have known this already. I've only complained about what FP+ did to ETWB about a million times. ;)
 
The above is the Reader's Digest version of this whole 1080-post thread. :goodvibes

And yes robo, that is the correct question :p and that readers digest post is worth laminating and mailing to disney hq. I say we pay for a copy each, and ill stump up for a clown to ride through the offices on a unicycle with a "release more information" sign. They can't ignore that surely ;)

Well thanks, glad I'm not the only one who thinks this should be painfully obvious to TPTB.

I have read every post on this thread (and the ones merged in). I am fascinated! I am not an IT person but I am a "bean counter" so it has been very educational to me. Just a couple of points and I'll go back to popcorn::

I have seen ads featuring "New Fantasyland" on TV. They don't seem to appeal to anyone but little girls.

I go to Orlando every four years. I went once to Disney only, once to US/IOA only (before WWHP) and once to both with a split stay. My next trip is also a split stay but instead of 6 nights @ Disney and 4 nights @ Universal on site, it will be 4 nights Disney @ a Value instead of Deluxe, 2 nights Sea World Area resort and 4 nights @ Universal.

Even only going every four years, the addition of a mild roller coaster such as the Mine Train and some new theming in Fantasyland is not enough to warrant more than a day in each park doing my faves. Now, take away my ability to FP my favorites? How about 2 days at Disney and add a couple of days at Busch Gardens or Kennedy Space or whatever.

Thanks for listening. Carry on.:surfweb:

I'm thinking maybe you should be one of the WDW "bean counters", you seem to get it a lot better than they do! The FLE is nice, but definitely not "knock your socks off"! WDW really needs an in infusion of that! (esp. at HS & Epcot ~ and Lord, please, no "Avatar Land"! shudder)
 
Then this whole idea is even worse than it seemed before - if it is purely so WDW can play Big Brother, track your every move and then "mine the data" for marketing strategies to try and up sell their guests.

....... and Walgreens didn't develop their rewards card just so I could stop clipping coupons.
 
....... and Walgreens didn't develop their rewards card just so I could stop clipping coupons.

Yes, but Walgreens probably didn't spend millions of dollars on developing and implementing that card while potentially disrupting the way that you like to do your shopping ...
 
Yes, but Walgreens probably didn't spend millions of dollars on developing and implementing that card while potentially disrupting the way that you like to do your shopping ...

Well, there's that. ;)
 
Yes, but Walgreens probably didn't spend millions of dollars on developing and implementing that card while potentially disrupting the way that you like to do your shopping ...

Actually the analogy here is more like if you had been using five coupons a week Walgreens gets a card system to 'help all customers get discounts' then cuts you down to two coupons max but don't worry, its a special coupon now because you can use the card to get it in advance of other people ;)
 
Barry

You know what I think? I think that you should splurge, and take your dad to a meet an imagineer dinner on your upcoming father son trip. In fact, maybe schedule a couple. ;)

:)

Missyrose has probably shared everything I would learn about next gen. I am sure we would enjoy the lunch though - my dad would not like the price (even if I paid!)
 
So I have been pretty much staying out of these conversations for awhile because they seem to get snarky really fast, and it is the same points made a million times a million different ways - but here I go: After looking at "My Disney Experience" briefly in January, I didn't go to it again because it couldn't find any of my reservations anyway. I was also afraid it would somehow put us in the Magic Band category against our will, I signed in to DVC yesterday to do our online check in for July. The first thing that happened, is it defaulted to the "my Disney experience" page so I had to register. Then I got checked in okay - but when I tried to sign my son's fam in, it just kept defaulting back to DH and I, even though I had used their ressie number. So I had to call Member services and she said this was a known issue, and gave me another website to check them in on.

I'm thinking they really haven't made any progress in fixing the issues since I tried to link my ADRs in January. I'm personally happy about it at this point - we are 45 days away and we want one more trip with our Fastpasses.
 
So I have been pretty much staying out of these conversations for awhile because they seem to get snarky really fast, and it is the same points made a million times a million different ways - but here I go: After looking at "My Disney Experience" briefly in January, I didn't go to it again because it couldn't find any of my reservations anyway. I was also afraid it would somehow put us in the Magic Band category against our will, I signed in to DVC yesterday to do our online check in for July. The first thing that happened, is it defaulted to the "my Disney experience" page so I had to register. Then I got checked in okay - but when I tried to sign my son's fam in, it just kept defaulting back to DH and I, even though I had used their ressie number. So I had to call Member services and she said this was a known issue, and gave me another website to check them in on.

I'm thinking they really haven't made any progress in fixing the issues since I tried to link my ADRs in January. I'm personally happy about it at this point - we are 45 days away and we want one more trip with our Fastpasses.

Well that's not very encouraging...
 
So I have been pretty much staying out of these conversations for awhile because they seem to get snarky really fast, and it is the same points made a million times a million different ways - but here I go: After looking at "My Disney Experience" briefly in January, I didn't go to it again because it couldn't find any of my reservations anyway. I was also afraid it would somehow put us in the Magic Band category against our will, I signed in to DVC yesterday to do our online check in for July. The first thing that happened, is it defaulted to the "my Disney experience" page so I had to register. Then I got checked in okay - but when I tried to sign my son's fam in, it just kept defaulting back to DH and I, even though I had used their ressie number. So I had to call Member services and she said this was a known issue, and gave me another website to check them in on.

I'm thinking they really haven't made any progress in fixing the issues since I tried to link my ADRs in January. I'm personally happy about it at this point - we are 45 days away and we want one more trip with our Fastpasses.

Hi Tammie.

I am having the same issues with all the websites too. I did discover something interesting yesterday though...

I don't think this is off topic, because it relates to the whole website issue.

If I log into My Disney Experience with my email and password, I can see my DVC reservations for June and October. But NONE of my dining reservations.

But when I logged into my DVC account, I had to link my accounts. I had to call to get my linking code and everything worked well. My ESPN account and my DVC account and MDE accounts were linked. Or I thought so. All of my linked accounts don't use my email, they use a username and password.

So when I log into MDE with my username and password, my dining reservations show up, but not my room reservations. If I use my email, just room reservations.

So here is where it gets crazy... When I log into MDE with my email. I can see my room reservations (no dining). I can then book an ADR in that email account. And then it will disappear and will only show up in my linked account I can't get both to show up at the same time.

If I go to my iPad and use the app - it is like playing roulette. I never know what to expect. Luckily everything is still there...somewhere. I have printouts.

So back to your point. Not much has changed since January with the online services.

I have completely given up on the shared account and adding all the people to the dining reservations.
 
Hi Tammie.

I am having the same issues with all the websites too. I did discover something interesting yesterday though...

I don't think this is off topic, because it relates to the whole website issue.

If I log into My Disney Experience with my email and password, I can see my DVC reservations for June and October. But NONE of my dining reservations.

But when I logged into my DVC account, I had to link my accounts. I had to call to get my linking code and everything worked well. My ESPN account and my DVC account and MDE accounts were linked. Or I thought so. All of my linked accounts don't use my email, they use a username and password.

So when I log into MDE with my username and password, my dining reservations show up, but not my room reservations. If I use my email, just room reservations.

So here is where it gets crazy... When I log into MDE with my email. I can see my room reservations (no dining). I can then book an ADR in that email account. And then it will disappear and will only show up in my linked account I can't get both to show up at the same time.

If I go to my iPad and use the app - it is like playing roulette. I never know what to expect. Luckily everything is still there...somewhere. I have printouts.

So back to your point. Not much has changed since January with the online services.

I have completely given up on the shared account and adding all the people to the dining reservations.

Hi Barry! That is crazy! :crazy2: I had that kind of trouble several years ago with DCL and the other sites - they had DH's birthdate off by a day so they wouldn't let me register him for the cruise. Not holding my breath. :bitelip:
 
I am really having a hard time trying to write this up. I'm not going to be able to sell it to you guys, if I cant sell it to myself first.

The fact of the matter is this: For most people that frequent these boards, have been to disney a few times, and know how to use the current system to suit our own touring needs, a new infrastructure system will never be better then some amazing and brand new lands and attractions. I've tried really hard, pulled out all the stops with my imagination, and it just wont cut it. ESPECIALLY knowing that its going to make my touring much harder.

However, I do maintain that our demographic is at best 10% of the overall visiting population, and Disney does not intend to have us jumping up and down with excitement. Their target is the 80% of visitors that really have no idea how to tour disney, and are frequently frustrated when they visit. (I often wonder what the missing 10% is when I talk that we are 10, they are 80.... need to work on my stats.)

So I invite you to sit back, relax, and view my following comments as "not what its going to do for ME" but more like, "whats it going to do for that newb down the street that has never been, or has not been for about 2 or 3 years".

All of my previous posts have mostly been 'whats it going to do for Disney', and why they want it more then putting in new attractions. Are we all agreed that DISNEY THINKS its going to make them a lot of money? I think lots of you believe it wont actually do so, but I have my serious doubts about that assumption. Some seriously gifted people hashed this out over the last several years, and convinced the big D to spend a billion. I know y'all want it to fail, to be canned, whatever, but logically speaking, at least in my mind, that is most likely NOT going to happen. Could, but maybe not likely.

If there is nothing else I am certain about, I will tell you DISNEY thinks this is going to make them a lot of money. There is something else I am pretty certain about, and that is that Disboarders typically dislike change intensly, unless its adding more attractions at Disney (and even then, the complaints dont stop - the new expansion is a cop out, disney cut corners, ect). Even when Disney updates an attraction, the number of threads that pop up saying 'this change sucks' is amazing. I am not trying to get anyones dander up, I just want to point it out. We can be truthful to ourselves, right?

Speaking about being truthful to ourselves, I should say I am a pretty mellow person. Laid back mostly. I spent 2 days back in March at the big D, and managed to check out the MK and the new expansion. And, I very much enjoyed it. I thought the theming was good, and was impressed by Gastons tavern. I thought the VOTLM was good, a typical Disney ride, but not mind blowing. (Yes, the roof in the "under the sea' room was wierd and badly done, but on a whole, pretty good.) But then I dont find Winnie the pooh mind blowing either. I just like the emmersion into the 'magic', the fine details
that are typically a disney standard. I never even got to Raphunzels bathroom, to my everlasting regret. Anyways, its the emersion of 'magic' that I really love about Disney, and that is what I want to talk about. How this new system could bump it up to a whole new level. Now, if you thought the new area was terrible, and that it sucked, then you need to know that my standard is a lot lower then yours, or at least different. What I have to say will most likely be of no interest to you.

And, another side note: I do find the HP Que mind blowing, and the attraction amazing. If disney added 2 or 3 more of these type attractions at the parks, I cant argue that this infrastructure is better. I cant. But, I can argue that joe vacationer will be amazed and impressed by the new infrastructure, and will have a better vacation because of it. So thats all I am going to try to do, try and get you to see what Joe Vacationer may get out of the system..

That said, I am going to ask you to set aside your point of perspective, close your eyes,and envision this from a totally different point of view, the disney newb (come on robo, you can do it!).

Stretch out with your feelings luke......

First off, you have to do a couple of things.
1) View this from the perspective of the average Disney goer, not someone who has been to Disney 10 times in the last year, or even 10 times over the last 10 years. Someone who has a family of 4, with 2kids that are say 6 and 10 (I have no idea if this is a common demographic, but just play along, you are all now sporting a family of 4)


2)Then, you have to imagine the IT Utopia, where there are no glitches, no complications, nothing that will stop the computer system from doing exactly what its capable of doing. (keep your eyes closed doconeill.....)

3)Also, imagine if you will, that 80% or more of all Disney goers are not only happily buying their tickets in advance, but filling in fun little interactive forms so Disney can send them their perfect itinerary day, does not matter if they are off site or onsite, everyone who wants to be on board gets on board.

I know, I know, its hard to swallow. Close your eyes again, and try harder.
(I heard you swear at me.)

Now what I imagine could be in the realm of possibility: I imagine a system that purchasing your disney ticket will be a lot like doing your cruise documents, a couple of fun and interactive pages, where you only have to fill in minimum information, Disney characters and short video clips encourage you along the way when you are filling it in, and there are several easy options that could be preselected. (goofy is telling you that your 6 year old is going to love barnstormer ,see he is pointing to it!)

OK, This trip document needs to be filled 60 days in advance (or more) and you get maybe a ticket price discount if you fill it in by a certain date. Minnie emplores you "lets save some cheese Mom2rtk! in her squeaky little annoying voice) There will also be simple options like premade plans, or advance search options where you can detail your itinerary.

The non planners are not actually planning, they are just clicking on boxes, which parks do you want to go too. which characters would you like to meet, do you want to sleep in or start early, ect, ect. 15 minutes tops. And, its phased like the disney cruise document so you can do a single section at a time, walk away from it, come back when you want. You can change your plan as much as you want, up to, say 1 week before you leave on your trip.
Then, in the mail, comes your lovely magic band bracelets. Tiny tim, your son, has a pirate one, little nell, your daughter has a Cindy one, your Darling wife has Cruella, and you choose to be GRUMPY. Before you leave for your trip, either you or your TA print out your itinerary. Off you go to Disney World

Part 2 to follow
Please hold all tomatos until I finish, I realize I am putting myself out there.

omg, I cant believe I am going to push the post button. :scared1:

Better than television! can't wait for part 2. Oh those bands will be a sensation. No doubt. I can see the people at work who are excited about going to do Disney rave about this scenario so far.

I am glad you pushed the send button.

This would be a great start to a new thread. Copy and paste it over? I would like to hear from the dreamers for awhile, maybe us 10% are missing something. Sammie is 100% sure it is going to be great. NikkiBell is super optimistic. I would like to hear more reasons why people think it would be great other than simply saying "Whatever Disney does is awesome and I can't wait to try it."

Rileygirl, you are really giving the first rational proposal of how it could be good for others.
 















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