FP+. great for us newbies

[btk2333]

They are exactly the same in the way that when one person has it another cannot, the store only has x number of loafs of bread a day. One persons choice effects the other.
However I don't see the store saying well you can only buy 1 loaf of bread because it is not fair to the person who is visiting my store for the first time to find that I am out of bread.

Except at most local grocery stores people don't get turned away from buying a loaf of bread because the store runs out or have one hour+ lines to buy a loaf of bread- and if you did I bet you'd see them limit it to one loaf of bread per customer or the people who didn't get a loaf of bread would go somewhere else. Think of it like when a new video game console or popular game comes out- the store may limit you to one PS4/XBOX one.

Disney has a limited number of rides that they can offer in a day (yes you can argue that they should build more attractions- I think they should and will but today we are operating with what what have) and they want to try to maximize the number of families that can experience attractions.

Again- I'm not saying anyone who has used the old system to ride 15+ rides per day did anything wrong or that they abused the system, I did the same thing; however, Disney doesn't benefit if your family rides 20 rides and another new family only rides 4 and has to wait an hour for each of those rides- then decides they're too tired and didn't have a good time and don't come back.

 

[DividedSky]

They are exactly the same in the way that when one person has it another cannot, the store only has x number of loafs of bread a day. One persons choice effects the other.
However I don't see the store saying well you can only buy 1 loaf of bread because it is not fair to the person who is visiting my store for the first time to find that I am out of bread.

no, they are not the same.

the total number of rides available at the end of every park close is zero. every time. it is zero. every time, you add them up and the sum is zero. hence a zero sum game. every time

left over bread at the end of the night is sold the next night. the total bread left at the end of the night does not equal zero. it isn't the same.

 

[Robo]

no, they are not the same.

the total number of rides available at the end of every park close is zero. every time. it is zero. every time, you add them up and the sum is zero. hence a zero sum game. every time

That's not correct.

 

[DividedSky]

That's not correct.

did your reply get truncated?

I sure hope so.

 

[plumsiren]

I feel for DVC'ers - my opinion is they essentially subsidized Disney's construction costs for the resort and what do they get in return? Oughta be a red carpet every time they show up.

Back to newbies - this last trip we had 17 days to people watch and saw tons of first timers. I felt so bad when (a) I was getting a legacy FP with my KTTW card and a young couple would ask me where I "bought" the card or (b) when I was standing in an FP line (yes, there are sometimes FP lines) and someone would ask me where I got the MB.

I'd often find out from the ones who were asking me about the paper FP's that they were staying at POP at the time and didn't get a KTTW - although they did have MB's they understand the FP+ concept even less and their innocent ignorance led them to believe that the paper FP was somehow a better deal.......

Or they were offsite first time guests with nothing more than park tickets and a park map. And I couldn't help but think how much it had to suck for those people to pay their money, enter the park, and see hour long waits for anything they wanted to do while some people just walked right up and did it. Or waited in a short to moderately long FP line. But still, not an hour long wait.

And I realized there are tons of people like that in the park every day. Which means that tons of people must be having a sucky time and leave disappointed. And Disney was extremely concerned because they didn't get that last dollar still in their pocket, I mean, rather, concerned that those guests left disappointed.

Yeah, I can see where that can have a long term effect and Disney might want to make sure they get to ride at least one 40 year old attraction in return for their $90.

-Jack Handy.

I am shocked to find that I completely agree with you!

Reading this thread gave me a headache.

Same thing happened to me in another FP-related thread. I actually prefer this one - it's a philosophical and statistical brainteaser!

 

[Jennyvelaz]

Seriously this was fun, can we play again sometime ?

You will notice, no denigration, no labeling one group above the other, her reference to herding is in fact a stand alone comment, separated even from her first comment which only took issue with your use of the term "line-cutting" ... and this was her first comment, there is no back story, no reason to infer any sort of labeling one group as inferior to the other ....

Glad we have that settled: I (not anyone actually) has labeled any group as superior or inferior to the other, and the new system amounts to herding.

Are we done here yet ?

Yes, I am. Thank you all herding supporters. This has been great. Everyone has sides, experiences, and opinions. I called it herding. Yes I did. I am a Disney loving-sheep and proud of it! I even have been known to throw out a cattle call when leaving Fantasmic!

Reading this thread gave me a headache.

Yes it does. But this "let's raise my post number under my signature" kind of post usually does.

 

[Joe Dirt 1972]

Yes it is herding and a cash grab for Disney.

Its to get more control of which park people go to and to get people to stay at a Disney resort and stop staying offsite.

People staying offsite will have a hard time getting a fastpass+ in the park if everyone staying at a resort can book 60 days ahead of their visit. I know if I was staying offsite and knew I might not be able to get on some rides especially if I was going at Christmas time I would change my plans and pay the money to stay at a Disney resort. That way my kids are guaranteed to get on 3 rides a day with out any headaches.

That's why you will see a decline in people staying offsite over the next few years. I hate it but its pretty smart on Disney`s part.

 

[Lindaland]

I am so glad I enjoy ALL of Disney and not just the rides.

 

[Joe Dirt 1972]

I am so glad I enjoy ALL of Disney and not just the rides.

Yes you are right but with fastpass+ some things we like about Disney are gone. I say this because its not just the rides that are being fastpass+ but special events ( fireworks, parades etc) and even some quick service restaurants.

So it is more than just rides being affected here.

 

[Bullseye]

However, Disney likely does want to "spread the wealth" in order to please the greatest number of people (they're kind of utilitarian since they're a company that wants to please large numbers of people)

I maintain that the savvy traveler will still be able to take advantage of the positive parts of MDE and FP+ and still end up having a more productive trip than the average guest. It just means learning a new set of rules

Yes, something I've been reiterating again and again in various threads. They want more guests to be able to enjoy more things.

They are exactly the same in the way that when one person has it another cannot, the store only has x number of loafs of bread a day. One persons choice effects the other.
However I don't see the store saying well you can only buy 1 loaf of bread because it is not fair to the person who is visiting my store for the first time to find that I am out of bread.

yeah but there's hundreds of options for the average consumer to buy bread...there's only once place you can go to ride Space Mountain. It's not the same.

Yes you are right but with fastpass+ some things we like about Disney are gone. I say this because its not just the rides that are being fastpass+ but special events ( fireworks, parades etc) and even some quick service restaurants. So it is more than just rides being affected here.

omg you can't watch fireworks or parades without a FP+ ...that's just wrong

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

I'm having a hard time understanding the downsize of this feature as it pertains to a visitor such as myself.

and who am I? a newbie. A non-savy family guy. I don't know the acronyms. I've only been to the park twice, and each time was separated by 6 years. I have no idea which rides to go on early, late, etc, etc.

I'm an I/T guy though, and as such, this experiment and testing fascinates me. So I have been lurking and reading.

As I see it, the rides are the rides. how every many guests the rides can accommodate doesn't really change. Now obviously any glitches with the scanning equipment, and the leaning curve makes this false, but once all that is ironed out, the rides do what they have always done. x number of visitors can ride a ride per hour.

So the only real change is how we obtain a fast pass.

And that is where my limited experience comes in. I hated the old system the one and only time it was in existence for me. Walking all the way to a ride to find out I'm coming back in 4 hours, and can't obtain another fast pass that entire time was about as inefficient a system as possible for me.

As I see it, the new system is a huge hurdle for those in the know. the old system of knowing exactly how to maximize your fastpass tickets isn't going to work as well as it once did. I love that though. the more fast pass's you savy people got was limiting the number us newbies were getting. It's sort of like a form of cutting, albeit more civilized.

all hail FP+ the meek and unsavy shall rise again

~We are Disney theme park veterans and savvy commando's, who arrive at the parks early to seize the day and are among the last to leave. We collected so many fastpasses we couldn't use them all in a day. We would give several of the fp's we hoarded and didn't want anymore, away to other guests.

~We don't miss legacy FP at all. So, FP+ is not just great for "newbies" -- it's great for us, too.