FP+ doesn't make lines longer.

[wisblue]

I would trust anything Josh posts. It is just as some thought apparently.

The chart certainly doesn't support the conclusion that standby wait times have routinely gone from 10 minutes to 40 minutes for anything.

 

[Planogirl]

The chart certainly doesn't support the conclusion that standby wait times have routinely gone from 10 minutes to 40 minutes for anything.

I agree with that. I see the wait as often doubling or staying static.

 

[IamGroot]

Those are attendance numbers you just pulled out of the air. Disney never releases those numbers, not to mention the fact that not every park goes up or down the same as the magic kingdom. It is the one that gets the most attendance. I'll stick with the actual numbers Josh has posted thank you very much!

The "actual" numbers from someone getting rough estimates from wait time lists? yup. Your willful ignorance is truly amazing.

 

[Airship Ariadne]

Except the playing field is in fact less level than it ever has been before! Before, on site or offsite, the early bird caught the worm (or rode the rides with minimal wait) as is true in much of life.

Now, those with the money to a)stay on site and b)stay for longer periods of time, get an enormous advantage over those staying off site and a modest advantage over those with shorter trips.

Only on the DIS boards would I being able to stay onsite in a moderate resort make me Donald Trump or Mr. Moneybags.

And yes, people that stay onsite should get perks onsite...Disney is the ONLY theme park company that gives many of the same perks to offsite people...if you want the 60+ of FP+...stay onsite, it is that simple...that's a level field, anyone can stay onsite...they choose not to for a variety of reasons...fine, now they need to factor in the 60+ FP+ into their equations...but don't want to change the formula so complain.

 

[flicx]

The "actual" numbers from someone getting rough estimates from wait time lists? yup. Your willful ignorance is truly amazing.

 

[flicx]

I agree with that. I see the wait as often doubling or staying static.

A good assessment. So we can almost all agree that indeed times have all gone up. Almost. Cheers to Josh For those of us that don't doubt this reliable source!

 

[IamGroot]

A good assessment. So we can almost all agree that indeed times have all gone up. Almost. Cheers to Josh For those of us that don't doubt this reliable source!

I looked at your posting history. Every thread has a negative sounding name. You really seem to either just be trolling these boards, or trying to fill them with mis-guided anger. I wish you the best of luck in life.

 

[itchin2go]

A 6% increase on MILLIONS of guests is significant. In order to double the wait time on a small ride with a low guests/hour capacity, you only need a few more guests on that ride to double the wait.

And they all can't wait to ride Journey Into Imagination with Figment?

 

[jahber]

Only on the DIS boards would I being able to stay onsite in a moderate resort make me Donald Trump or Mr. Moneybags. And yes, people that stay onsite should get perks onsite...Disney is the ONLY theme park company that gives many of the same perks to offsite people...if you want the 60+ of FP+...stay onsite, it is that simple...that's a level field, anyone can stay onsite...they choose not to for a variety of reasons...fine, now they need to factor in the 60+ FP+ into their equations...but don't want to change the formula so complain.

Yep. Silly me for complaining. I just need to book a hotel stay that is 45 minutes from my house 60 days in advance of any time I want to use my AP. I'm sure my husband will be on board with that (I mean, it's fine with ME, but he may take some convincing).

 

[Scootypuffjr]

Since FP+ is completely useless for offsite guests, I think it shouldn't be offered to them. Instead, double the amount of FP+ for onsite guests, so we rich, lazy people that are incapable of getting out of bed for RD can have the unwanted, unappreciated FP's for the non headliners.

 

[cakebaker]

Since FP+ is completely useless for offsite guests, I think it shouldn't be offered to them. Instead, double the amount of FP+ for onsite guests, so we rich, lazy people that are incapable of getting out of bed for RD can have the unwanted, unappreciated FP's for the non headliners.

Now this...this is a workable solution!

 

[itchin2go]

The "actual" numbers from someone getting rough estimates from wait time lists? yup. Your willful ignorance is truly amazing.

I don't know. Easywdw is pretty well-regarded around these parts. You might want to look into the site, the credentials and the research a bit before you summarily dismiss it.

I am just one person, but I put a lot of stock into the information I get from that site.

 

[flicx]

I don't know. Easywdw is pretty well-regarded around these parts. You might want to look into the site, the credentials and the research a bit before you summarily dismiss it.

I am just one person, but I put a lot of stock into the information I get from that site.

Thank you

 

[Angel Ariel]

The "actual" numbers from someone getting rough estimates from wait time lists? yup. Your willful ignorance is truly amazing.

EasyWDW has well-thought out, well-researched information. IMO, sites like his and touring plans are the most reliable for information about stuff like this, where Disney is never going to release actual numbers.

 

[IamGroot]

I don't know. Easywdw is pretty well-regarded around these parts. You might want to look into the site, the credentials and the research a bit before you summarily dismiss it.

I am just one person, but I put a lot of stock into the information I get from that site.

They gather data via a SQL query run on a database which collects wait time info. The same info that plugs into numerous iphone apps every day. This source data is what isnt accurate.

I am not questioning EasyWDW's use of the data, but the data itself isnt theirs and is not something I would make a business decision on. How many times has a Disney queue said 20min and it ends up being 40? or the reverse?

 

[AndreaA]

Thanks. I remember seeing this chart at the time it came out.

I'm curious about how you concluded that you could do Dumbo, Barnstormer, Teacups, and Speedway in 15 minutes total before but now you would have to wait 20 minutes for each. This chart doesn't lead you to that.

I think the overall conclusion from this is similar to the conclusion in the Touring Plans study. Some things up, some things down, but nothing where normal lines of 10 minutes have suddenly become over 30 minutes.

You're right. I was using my own personal numbers from 2013 which were lower than the 2013 median because they were close to rope drop. Given that wait times are now increasing very early in the day, I felt using the 2014 median times for my post FP+ numbers was pretty accurate. Any way you slice it, wait time went up.

And PEAK wait times went WAY up. 35min to 70 for Jungle Cruise is nothing to sneeze at, nor is 20 to 40 for POTC.

 

[IamGroot]

EasyWDW has well-thought out, well-researched information. IMO, sites like his and touring plans are the most reliable for information about stuff like this, where Disney is never going to release actual numbers.

They are a publicly traded company. They release all of their data.

 

[itchin2go]

Since FP+ is completely useless for offsite guests, I think it shouldn't be offered to them. Instead, double the amount of FP+ for onsite guests, so we rich, lazy people that are incapable of getting out of bed for RD can have the unwanted, unappreciated FP's for the non headliners.

I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for me.

(1) I never said FP were useless, or that onsite guests are rich and lazy and incapable of getting out of bed. In fact, I never saw where anyone said that, and this isn't even the "FP is useless for offsite guests" thread.

(2) I don't think FP are useless. I appreciate the ones I have booked and I'm hopeful I'll have a great trip. I am not ignoring the data and opinions and trip reports that are out there, however. And I am a bit worried. Is that crazy?

(3) Though you didn't address it, since it's the subject of this thread, let me say, I don't agree with OP - at least in regards to me and my family, though maybe things are more evenly redistributed over the park as a whole, and maybe that is good for some, but probably not for me. I am afraid that our total wait time is going to increase with the advent of FP+. It makes me sad and a little worried, but I'm embracing the challenge and hoping for the best. I am just indulging in a little healthy debate here. I am interested in understanding where people are coming from and evaluating their opinions and theories, even if I don't share them.

 

[Angel Ariel]

They are a publicly traded company. They release all of their data.

Ok.

 

[IamGroot]

Ok.

http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/investors/financial-information/sec-filings