For Those Flying Think About This

Qwackertoo

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My flight for WDW leaves next Saturday, found this very interesting and seems quite sensible & reasonable. Deana


From the Washington Times

Aboard Flight 564

Peter Hannaford

As it was at most U.S. airports, last Saturday was the first near-normal day at Denver International since the terrorist attacks.

On United's Flight 564 the door had just been locked and the plane was about to pull out of the gate when the captain came on the public address system. "I want to thank you brave folks for coming out today. We don't have any new instructions from the federal government, so from now on we're on our own."

The passengers listened in total silence.

He explained that airport security measures had pretty much solved the problem of firearms being carried aboard, but not weapons of the type the terrorists apparently used, plastic knives or those fashioned from wood or ceramics.

"Sometimes a potential hijacker will announce that he has a bomb.

There are no bombs on this aircraft and if someone were to get up and make that claim, don't believe him.

"If someone were to stand up,brandish something such as a plastic knife and say 'This is a hijacking' or words to that effect here is what you should do:

Every one of you should stand up and immediately throw things at that person - pillows, books, magazines, eyeglasses, shoes - anything that will throw him off balance and distract his attention. If he has a confederate or two, do the same with them.

Most important: get a blanket over him, then wrestle him to floor and keep him there. We'll land the plane at the nearest airport and the authorities will take it from there."

"Remember, there will be one of him and maybe a few confederates, but there are 200 of you. You can overwhelm them.

"The Declaration of Independence says 'We, the people' and that's just what it is when we're up in the air: we, the people, vs. would-be terrorists. I don't think we are going to have any such problem today or tomorrow or for a while, but some time down the road, it is going to happen again and I want you to know what to do.

"Now, since we're a family for the new few hours, I'll ask you to turn to the person next to you, introduce yourself, tell them a little about yourself and ask them to do the same."

The end of this remarkable speech brought sustained clapping from the passengers. He had put the matter in perspective. If only the passengers on those ill-fated flights last Tuesday had been given the same talk, I thought, they might be alive today. One group on United Flight 93, which crashed in a Pennsylvania field, apparently rushed the hijackers in an attempt to wrest control from them. While they perished, they succeeded in preventing the terrorist from attacking his intended goal, possibly the White House or the Capitol.

Procedures for dealing with hijackers were conceived in a time when the hijackers were usually seeking the release of jailed comrades or a large amount of money. Mass murder was not their goal. That short talk last Saturday by the pilot of Flight 564 should set a new standard of realism.

Every passenger should learn the simple - but potentially life-saving - procedure he outlined. He showed his passengers that a hijacking does not have to result in hopelessness and terror, but victory over the perpetrators.
 
Were there any children on board this flight? I ask this because I would think that his speech might have scared them.
 
Can you provide the link to this article? Sorry, not that I don't believe you, I just like to see the actual article.

I, too, would be interested if children were onboard. My DD is afraid of flying and we're supposed to fly in 39 days.
 
http://www.frontpagemag.com/guestcolumnists/hannaford09-21-01.htm

I myself have a 4 yr. old and 7 yr. old and we have a trip planned for 11 nights in Sept./Oct. and another 8 nights in December. They have asked some tough questions this week. Although I haven't searched to confirm, an aquaintance told me quite a few children were on the crashed Pennsylvania flight on a school trip which you don't hear them reporting details of children or pregnant women who died on the crashed flights. What would be scarier, a hijacker slitting the throats of flight attendants or this pilots pre-flight communication to the passengers? We have to be honest with our children to a certain point, no more facts than is appropriate for their age. Believe you me, I'm an extremely overprotective Mother.

I'll copy and paste just a "taste" of what my own two young children are feeling right now.

It wasn't until last night driving home in the dark from ice skating that Sarah and Steven started in on 20 questions. This past week we kept very busy with their activities and I tried to limit their exposure to the continuous news coverage.

Just a few of the things they said which makes me even more sad while remembering last weeks tragedy:

Sarah age 7: I don't want to die. I'm afraid of dying. (we are leaving via SouthWest a week from Saturday to visit the Mouse)

Sarah: Why can't we drive instead? What airlines had planes crash? Which one are we going on?

Steven age 4: Did the babies die? (on the plane)

Steven: Did the babies in booster seats die? (he sits in a booster seat in the car)

Steven: Will we hit the Pentagon building (while we are flying to WDW)? (they hear & notice alot more than we think they do for him to specifically reference the Pentagon).

The only thing that helped me answer the questions, without too much elaboration, was we were driving in the dark and they were in the backseat so I didn't have to look into their sweet innocent eyes and have an emotional crying breakdown as I listened to questions I had never imagined being asked.
 

Qwakertoo - you're making me cry. My 9yr son and I fly in 12 days and he wants a parachute!
 
Thanks for the interesting article. While it certainly did not make me feel any safer about flying, it did kind of confirm my feelings that not all that much has changed with regards to potential problems and "other weapons" that may make it on board.

Only thing however, and I noticed this from the beginning, the hijackers seemed to have carefully picked flights that were far from being filled to capacity. These were 757's and 767's that hold almost 200 passengers, and yet they had 44, 38, etc. passengers on board. They seemed to be aware of potential problems with a fully loaded plane. It certainly must be easier to overtake a plane with 44 passengers as opposed to 182. This also means that the hijackers probably booked their airfare only days before, carefully picking a low load plane.

Well, I for one am still not sure about flying again. I do have seats booked already for next summer, but I have a wait and see attitude until then. And as of now, my flight only has 5 open seats on it. Safety in numbers.



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Quackertoo,

I must say I would have applauded this pilot for his openess and communication with his passengers on board. Communication is SO VERY important right now with everything thats gone on in the last week or so. I even read the article to my boys that are 6 and 9. They thought it was terrific that the pilot went out of his way to talk to everyone and we fly in 4 days to Orlando. :)

In my opinion, the conversation should have made everyone feel more at ease for the flight. I didn't view it as anything scarey. Everyone needs to be made aware of what can happen at any time or ANYwhere. As I said before, terrorism can happen anywhere, NOT just on airplanes (why people think this is beyond me?). Terrorists are not picky when it comes to their sick acts of violence. They can sabatoge a plane just as they could a stadium or an amusement park, this is why we all just have to be cautious right now no matter where we are at at any given time.

Thanks for the post .:)
 
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On Friday the NBC TV station in Washington, D.C. interviewed a female passenger who was on that flight out of Denver. I applaud the pilot for taking action on his plane.
 
Lets face it folks if a incident does happen on your flight (and I dont mean just hijacking for example unruly passenges,drunk etc....) most people will just sit there in either shock or just dont get involved. The flight attendants can only do so much,and as for the flight crew in my opinion they should never open that cockpit door and leave that cockpit for any reason. That leaves the passengers to take matters in their own hands. And believe me most flights would have plenty of passengers to handle any situation. I dont care if your a male or female,young or old. It is either act or face the consequences that you could have avoided. Once the troublemaker (or maker's) is controlled they will be dealt with when you land. As far as scaring the kids....the children know exactly whats going on and would probably feel more at ease knowing everybody on the flight will act to protect them. IMHO.
 
B3LM,
And the news doesn"t? Please, if we keep sheltering children from every scary thing, then they will become victums. I applaud any effort to let people know how to defend themselves.
 
Did I say anything about "sheltering children from every scary thing"? I really don't think so. As far as our current events, we talk with our children about it frequently. Do I let them watch the news coverage constantly? Absolutely not. IMHO, I don't think children should be watching the news coverage because the news isn't reported on an appropriate level for young children to understand.

I also agree that it's extremely important to teach children (and anyone for that matter) how to defend themselves, but there's an appropriate time and place. I just don't feel that the right time and place is when we're getting ready to take off in a plane. JMHO

Beth
 
Just before taking off is very important to inform the passengers to do what they can to stop any threat. This is exactly what somebody with evil motives does not want to happen. They would like all the passengers sitting in their seats shaking scared. When this happens then they are in CONTROL which is really what they want. Like I said in my earlier post ALL passengers must do what they can to stop the threat wether it is tackling the trouble maker and if it comes to it killing the trouble maker. I know its a hard thing to concieve never mind do but we can not be so complacent any more. The events of the past two weeks is a wake up call to all of us that life as we knew it is not the same anymore. I for one would feel more secure knowing all the pasengers would help if needed. And if the pilot must make this speech before each flight then so be it. I know it is something nobody would like to hear before their vacation but we can not discount what happened either. Lets face it the innocence before Sept.11 is over and we better start facing reality. Better to be SAFE than sorry. :(
 
I received this via e-mail from a friend, and I think it's great advice. Thanks for sharing! :)
 
From what the article says is true and I applaud the captain for bringing up such a touchy subject. Especially now that it is still fresh on everyones minds. We are going to Disney in December. When the time came to get our airline tickets, The credit card number was punched in I panicked. I just couldn't do it. We'll drive down. We live in New York and it will be quite a trip, but at least I will feel safe and in control. Not to say the I will never get on a plane again, but just not now. I don't want to be parinoid until the time we leave HOPING we will be o.k., I want to know we will with that confidence behind me. At least I'm being honest with myself. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
 
No, you did not say to shelter them from every scary thing, nor did I quote you as saying that.
I said it. In light of recent events you cannot keep actions or comments aimed to protect us all from the ears of children. To do so, while politically correct for some, endangers us all.
Raise your children as you see fit, that is your job, but, please, don't make the decision to what I may need to hear, scary or not. If you find these speeches aimed to protect us all scary, purchase earplugs for your children.
 
chicd75
You need to do what is correct for you and what makes you comfortable and confident.
Happy planning and safe trip. :) You certainly have a long one ahead of you.
 
I agree about not letting the children (at least my 9 yr DD age) watch all the tv reports. That's even what the experts say (and for us as well) about watching the terrorist attack over and over. I went back on a tape to find something and you wouldn't believe how many times "we" saw the attack and collapse! My friend practically jumped all over me "you're not sheltering DD from this, are you?" I said "no, but I'm certainly not letting her watch all this stuff or watch it over and over". I'd watched enough of it myself and was extremely upset. I had to take Xanax every night to sleep. As it is, DD is "nervous" every night about "something", but doesn't know what it is. We've had to lay with her every night until she falls asleep except for last night. And, yes, we've talked a lot about the attacks as well.

We're supposed to go to the Formula One race here in Indy this w/e and fly out to WDW in 36 days. DH doesn't want to go to the race, but I want to. DD's scared to fly (was before this, but more so now). I haven't even said anything to her about the race yet, but will tell her what to expect (searching of coolers, etc which has NEVER happened). As far as the pilots comments, I'll be certain to tell DD about the possiblity of such an announcement. I really think it was great, but agree that maybe warning the children of such an announcement before hand would have made them a little more comfortable. I think the applauds would have made them more at ease. At least if there were any terrorist onboard, they'd know we aren't just going to let them get away with it!
 
TinkerbellRules, thanks so much for your thoughts. I may may have felt differently if I had actually been on that flight where the announcement was made, I don't know. When I first read the article, my first reaction and thought was that my DD5 might have been really scared by it. I just don't know. I guess I just didn't appreciate getting flamed for asking a simple question. We're all entitled to our own opinion.

I have a close friend of mine who's single and doesn't have any children. She couldn't believe that I let my DS8 watch a bit of the news coverage on that Tuesday night. I explained to her that he needs to understand what is going on America. Of course, we watched with him and explained things to him at his own level. We did the same with our DD5. That was the only time we let them watch any of the coverage. They still ask, though, "Are they still talking about it? Are they still cleaning up the rubble?"

Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts. We fly to WDW in 60 days! (Gotta' try for Cindy's tomorrow morning. :) )

Beth
 














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