Football pool?

tiggersbombed2

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A friend of mine has an acquaintance who's teen daughter is trying to make money to do an overseas trip with a group this summer. By running a football pool for the Super Bowl.

Now, while I applaud her attempting to raise her own money for this shingdig, I'm really kind of taken aback by her running a "gambling pool". Is it just me? am I an old fogie? or do you agree that this is really not appropriate?

Oh...and she called them "boxes", lol.
 
My question is...how do you make money running a football pool? I do think there are better ways though.....
 
I have to admit, I don't have a clue. But I believe it's like betting. You give the person money, they give you a box and if you're box wins, you win such and such a percent of the money. Anyone with better knowledge please join in. The mom emailed all her contacts with the info. LOL

I don't know, I just felt like "wow...really?" when she told me about it. It just seems so wrong for a kid to be running a pool...but maybe I'm just too uptight?
 
I have to admit, I don't have a clue. But I believe it's like betting. You give the person money, they give you a box and if you're box wins, you win such and such a percent of the money. Anyone with better knowledge please join in. The mom emailed all her contacts with the info. LOL

I don't know, I just felt like "wow...really?" when she told me about it. It just seems so wrong for a kid to be running a pool...but maybe I'm just too uptight?




She's doing it wrong and anyone who joined her pool is a fool. All payouts should equal the amount of money going in as a total of all initial bets.
 

It seems like it was canceled due to lack of people or something. I think the kid should just go babysit.
 
I'm not sure how a pool could be used as a fundraiser but as for gambling being used, what do you think night at the races is? A lot of charities I know make more money from their night at the races than they do from anything else all year. They also have celebrity bartender nights, all you can eat/drink style fundraisers, ect. Those include drinking which really isn't all that different from gambling as far as a vice is concerned.

Adults have free will to participate or not so those who are opposed to gambling or drinking can just write a check or decide not to do it.
 
I can think of worse things. :lmao: Maybe she is too young didn't catch the age, but we do this all the time, or at least I participate in them, I don't actually organize the squares, but yes I do believe all the money is supposed to go into the pot, because there are typically 4 winners, 1 per quarter, so all the money paid in to the square pot, goes to the 4 winners, not the organizer. So not sure what that is all about.
 
It seems like it was canceled due to lack of people or something. I think the kid should just go babysit.


I agree with you. Gambling really is no place for a young'un. Babysit, wash cars, maybe even offer to run errands for working families. I would LOVE to have someone do my grocery shopping for me, for example. I'd pay $10 for it.
 
Friends of ours did it as a fundraiser for their sports team. And you do take in more than you pay out, hence the fundraiser part.
No different than playing the lottery, horses etc....
 
She's doing it wrong and anyone who joined her pool is a fool. All payouts should equal the amount of money going in as a total of all initial bets.

As long as it is known up front that part of the money goes to her calling them a fool is a bit harsh.

Unless your talking serious money per square, I don't see her making much off of this. I have seen boards with $100 per square, so I suppose if she would keep 10% that would help :-)
 
She's considered "the house" and taking a percentage off the top is how it becomes a fundraiser.

When local bars and taverns do this, they take it off the top. Sometimes they offer a "free buffets". Some take more off the top and do an open bar. Depends on how much the square is.
 
One the one hand I think "wow, outside the box or what?" cause it could have been a good way to make some money, on the other I'm going "what? kids shouldn't be running something like this." lol


She is showing a lot of initiative in working for this money to help pay for herself. I hope she gets up enough money to go, but hopefully not by becoming the local bookie. :rotfl:
 
I have to admit, I don't have a clue. But I believe it's like betting. You give the person money, they give you a box and if you're box wins, you win such and such a percent of the money. Anyone with better knowledge please join in. The mom emailed all her contacts with the info. LOL

I don't know, I just felt like "wow...really?" when she told me about it. It just seems so wrong for a kid to be running a pool...but maybe I'm just too uptight?

For those unfamiliar, here is how it works. It's going to be long, so be prepared.

It is a form of gambling and often illegal in many states. You are betting on the scores of the game, and not so much the team that wins the game, like you would with a bookie. There are variances but the concept is the same. The most common is to draw 100 (10x10 grid) squares on a piece of paper, in which people will put their names. Off to the left side of the grid and to the top of the grid, 40 (4x10 grid) more squares are drawn per side. These will be used to put numbers 0-9.

The seller of the grid will sell the 100 squares for a set amount per square. Lets say $10 per square. If the seller sells them all, he/she will have collected $1,000. The seller designates before hand, that he/she will pay out $200 per quarter with no payout for overtime. 4 quarters to a football game, seller pays out $800 total and keeps $200.

Once the seller sells out all 100 squares, he/she will usually ask some of the people who bought squares to pick numbers 0-9 to fill up the 40 squares. This is usually to ensure the buyers that no cheating was involved in assigning numbers. They will go one row at a time until all the squares are filled with a number. Once all the numbers have been filled in, each person that bought a square will get their numbers for each quarter.

So for example, lets say I bought a square and I have the following numbers per quarter.

1st. Quarter Green Bay 7 Pittsburgh 3
2nd. Quarter Green Bay 4 Pittsburgh 2
3rd. Quarter Green Bay 8 Pittsburgh 2
4th. Quarter Green Bay 1 Pittsburgh 5

If you watched the game, the scores were as follows:

1st. GB-14, Pitt-0. So who ever had 4 (last digit of 14) for GB and 0 for Pitt would have won the $200 for this qtr.

2nd. GB-21, Pitt-10. So who ever had 1 for GB and 0 for Pitt would have won the $200 for this qtr.

3rd. GB-21, Pitt-17. So who ever had 1 for GB and 7 for Pitt would have won the $200 for this qtr.

4th. GB 31, Pitt-25. So ever had 1 for GB and 5 for Pitt would have won the $200 for this qtr. Which would've been me. :woohoo:

Someone mentioned this fell through. Which a lot of times, its possible to happen. You will often get people who will not want to buy squares if the cost per square is too high. For example: selling squares for $50 or more per square. People will not buy if they know the full amount sold is not the full amount being paid out. For example: In my example, I mentioned the seller would only be paying out $200 per quarter and pocketing $200. People will not buy in if they know the seller is pocketing money already. They would expect the seller to divide the money evenly among 4 quarters, in which in my example, $250 per quarter.

I hope I didn't confuse you too much. I hope I explained it enough to make sense. There are many different ways you can do this. You can sell the squares for more money, sell only 25 squares, give people the same number for the whole game instead of different number per quarter. You get the idea, I hope.
 
Well, our travel baseball, travel soccer, and irish dance studio all run the same pro football and college basketball pools, run through an outside company. $20 a ticket, and you have a chance to win weekly. Heck, all organziations do a 50/50 - isn't that gambling?
 
Well, our travel baseball, travel soccer, and irish dance studio all run the same pro football and college basketball pools, run through an outside company. $20 a ticket, and you have a chance to win weekly. Heck, all organziations do a 50/50 - isn't that gambling?

50/50 is a raffle, not gambling. Some attorney will have to explain the legalities of the difference but from my fund raising time with the American Cancer Society I know there is a difference.
 
As long as it is known up front that part of the money goes to her calling them a fool is a bit harsh.

Unless your talking serious money per square, I don't see her making much off of this. I have seen boards with $100 per square, so I suppose if she would keep 10% that would help :-)



I can see this and I concede the point. I do pools all the time and would never join one or create one that doesn't do a full pay based on my passion for gambling.

I can see, however, it working as a fundraiser if it is advertised as such. But again, the age of the person running the pool would bother me if it was a kid. If I did join one as a fundraiser and I won, I would then donate my winnings. I'm funny that way.

Most times, people who join pools don't read the payouts and do the math. I do.
 
Hmm. I saw a segment on the news yesterday that said that football bets, outside of casinos, are illegal. I'm not sure if that's just in California, or nationwide?

I bet she could find other ways to raise money..
 
Hmm. I saw a segment on the news yesterday that said that football bets, outside of casinos, are illegal. I'm not sure if that's just in California, or nationwide?

I bet she could find other ways to raise money..

It would really depend on things. I'm thinking most of it IS illegal but it's done "on the side" type of thing and most won't turn anyone in but it can get to be a problem. I think it would only become a problem when big $$$$ are involved and well things don't go correctly...that is usually when legal issues pop up. The more $$ involved the more greedy people get with willing to take it to a legal standpoint.

I know even in our state, raffles are regulated. You are SUPPOSED to get a license for each raffle in our county (it's from the county clerks office, so I'm it may be a county thing and not state?) you hold but I'm thinkint 99.9% of the time when the schools hold their fundraising raffles they don't have the proper licenses for it. I have never asked "can I see your license?" either though but since it costs money to get one and the way I have read the regulations, schools are not exempt from getting one each time they hold a raffle, I think they are suppose to.
 
Football pools as a matter of course are not illegal IF all of the money is being paid out to the winners. It is not considered gambling.

For fundraising purposes you can equate a 50/50 raffle to the 50/50 pool style approach. 50/50 raffle you are getting a raffle ticket with a chance to win 50% of the proceeds collected...arguably worse since you don't know what the payout may be at the beginning whereas with a 100 box grid style pool you do know the payouts.

If you do a 50/50 pool you only have to sell 50% of the boxes to make it happen any unsold boxes go to the organization if they win but in any case the payout must be 50% of the total possible boxes...so if it is $10 per box you MUST payout $500 in prizes. This works just fine and should not be viewed as gambling it is just as much a game of chance as a raffle or carnival game...you buy a box and score numbers are randomly assigned...really has no bearing on odds or bookmaking like placing a "bet" on a game based on a score spread...this gives you a 1 in 100 chance of winning based on a certain score of the game...regardless of who wins the game - it based solely on the last digit of each team's score.

We've raised money for kids sports events this way it is easy, convenient and fun - yeah there are other options, but the schools and boy/girlscouts and every other organization under the sun have some sort of angle to sell you wrapping paper or cookie dough or chocolate bars or whatever...aside from raffling off a car or just a pot of gold/cash raffle - this works.
 










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