Fool on the Hill: You Can't Cheat Quality

[YoHo]

I'm suggesting Walt Disney was an extremely talented and Unique Man and that it took his kind of unique genious to create and market the Theme Park.

Universal is a corporation, and No, I don't think Universal could have thought this one up as a corporation, it was too outside the box.


A different individul With resources similar to Walt's may have come up with and made good on the Idea. A corporation would not have.

 

[F.C. Fan]

YoHo

It doesn't matter if YOU stop at 1955, and turn your head to the events that had taken place before then.

Myself and Johare already admitted US as we know it wouldn't be the same way it is now if not for Disney.

But for you to think the Disney company as we know it, would even exist, (if not for Universal's actions) is a JOKE!!!!
If the Joker and Batman scenario floats your boat for an example, then that's fine by me.

BTW Universal dropped the Universal Studios Escape name and campaign awhile ago. It's the same thing as still referring to the MK as WDW.

I couldn't care less if you are offended. The fact is if he hadn't been swindled out of his character, he wouldn't have had any reason to draw the mouse character that went on to become Mickey, therefore no Disney company as we know it.

It doesn't matter if Mr. Disney did have park ideas in his head or not, without the success of Mickey Mouse he could not have turned those ideas into what we have now and that's a simple fact. If the man admitted that himself it doesn't matter what you think or feel about it.

So while it was a crappy thing Universal did to Mr. Disney, in the end it turned out good for everyone.

 

[YoHo]

F.C. Fan, I understand what your saying, I just don't see how it was relevent to the discussion we were having. (I was kind of aware that UE was no longer used, it just seemed like a convienent term to use when refering to the Florida parks exclusive of the rest of the company. I suppose I should include Universal City California, but the Theme Park there is a joke.)

Ultimatly, the question was one of whether Universal's Parks would exist in a way similar to the way they do now, were it not for Disney, you yourself admit that they would not. That is the end of the discussion.

The catalyst that lead Walt to create Mickey DOESN'T MATTER IN ANY WAY TO THIS DISCUSSION

I don't care if he found the Disney Company in a Box of Cracker Jack. I don't care if it came to him in a vision, I don't care that in reality, Universal's poor handling of Walt's character started it, none of that is in the least bit relevent to the subject of Whether there would be a Universal Studios/IOA in Florida were Disneyland/world not to exist.

 

[JeffJewell]

...if I could get in the last post before this little party gets locked up.

Jeff

PS - Anyone ever see the movie Bachelor Party? "Gone only a few seconds, and I miss him already!"

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

... And look what happens.

But I wrote this out before this namecalling started and it was meant in fun, so... The hell with it, I'll put it out anyway!!!

I couldn't care less if you are offended. The fact is if he hadn't been swindled out of his character, he wouldn't have had any reason to draw the mouse character that went on to become Mickey, therefore no Disney company as we know it.

It doesn't matter if Mr. Disney did have park ideas in his head or not, without the success of Mickey Mouse he could not have turned those ideas into what we have now and that's a simple fact. If the man admitted that himself it doesn't matter what you think or feel about it.

So while it was a crappy thing Universal did to Mr. Disney, in the end it turned out good for everyone.

Not necessarily!

Since you guys seem intent to bend the space-time continuum or visiting an alternative universe, let me join in for a Sci-Fi drive-in kind of thing.

Picture, if you will, a universe with no Mickey Mouse. Why? Because Universal never rob Walt of the concept. And instead of a mouse becoming the beloved symbol of everything good and nice and American, there is a rabbit!! A rabbit that shot to popularity quicker than a rodent could ever hope! So much so that Walt, the creator of the rabbit, was able to fund Snow White much earlier than in our reality. And as such decided to build Disneyland in 1938. Hitler, hearing about it came for a visit. Was so impressed that he gave Czechoslovakia back and never invaded Poland. Walt, still the dreamer, bought up HUGE amounts of real estate in Florida to build EPCOT. WDW and the city was built. Complete with a dome!!! Walt also, because of his great early success, gave up smoking in 1945. He lived until 1992. And because of the ‘altered’ reality, the Ei$ner caste system was never implemented, the magic never started to dry up and prices are still VERY reasonable. (DCA was never even considered!!)


See how silly this is?


Ps: A foot note to our story. In 1982 Walt met a newly married, aggressive man from Chicago. Walt took a liking to him because he was one of the only people in the entire world who truly understood the magic and more importantly, the SHOW!! In 1990, when Walt semi retired, he passed the baton to this man, who to this day is running things “as Walt would". And they all lived happily ever after. Except Walt who really was frozen!!!!




OK!! Lock it up!!!!!!!

 

[Captain Crook]

I haven't participated yet!

LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY...No, never mind...

 

[donald@home]

I just had to say, before this thread is locked, that I can't believe how STUPID this thread has become!

PS - I agree with Yoho.

OK now you can lock it! Please.

 

[johare]

Hello? Hey, looks like we're still here. Maybe this will be the last post?

Anyway, my final comment on this is...

I think Walt would have gone on to do great things with or without a Mouse character. Disneyland may have been a little different and had a different mascot, but I think Walt's dreams would have led him in about the same direction.

That said...if there had never been a Walt Disney, I think someone else would have come up with the concept of a theme park. Wouldn't have been Disneyland and might night have had the mouse or separate 'lands' right away, but we would still have wound up with heavily themed parks somewhere.

Universal may or may not have been the company to come up with the theme park idea had there not been a Walt Disney, however they would have still created some decent theme parks...they would have just been losely based on something else.

Well, that doesn't make much sense. Lets see if we have time for any other posts!

 

[JustBob]

...and they all lived happily ever after.

 

[YoHo]

I guess this is still open...


Wow, I know I can be pig headed, but I can't ever recall being the soul reason somebody left a UBB style bulliten board before. (and I've been on more then my boss should know about.) I'm also curious who it is that disagrees so with me that I would be mentioned specifically (I vasilate so much, sometimes I think I'm on everybody's side.)


I have a lot of unanswered questions here, but I don't think its worth it to even bring them up.

In short, F.C. Fan, I'm sorry if I've offended, I really think we had a misunderstanding somewhere deeper then the question of Oswald the rabbit. I really hope you'll reconsider leaving this board.



I'd also like to apologize to the moderators and admins.

Sorry
YoHo

 

[cindyfan]

to see this thread is still open!! The name calling did get out of hand! Shame on you.
anyway,....our family recognizies Disney and Disney characters and we relate to them.
My 10 yr old doesn't even know who Popeye is, so she is not going to get excited to go on a ride that is based on him! The only thing she does recognize is Dr Seuss, and Nickolodeon. But she is getting a little old for Cat in the Hat. And she gets her fill of Nick every day on TV. She has never asked to go to US or IOA, even though she sees numerous commercials every week. And she has friends that have told her what it is like.
But, she DOES ask to return to WDW..........every week!!!! She continuously asks to return. And it is always....."Can we stay longer this time???"
The reason she loves AK and Kali RR is that she loves animals and wants to some day visit Africa......so.....Disney has created the next best thing!!!! Therefore the MAGIC!!!!
She loves MK because of all the books we read to her as a small child. Her fantasies are realized.
She LOVES Splash Mountain, not because of the big hill when you can get all wet. But because of all the music and characters!!! the THEME!
If WDW never added another "Thrill" ride, it wouldn't make any difference to us. We don't go to WDW to be frightened out of our minds or make our stomachs turn upside down.
We go for the MAGIC, the magic of dreams being realized and the feeling of being a carefree child again able to relive our fantasies!!!

We will go to US or IOA some day......just to see what it is all about. And I am sure we will enjoy it!
But I still say........Nothing will ever compare to WDW ...........IMHO!