Flying with my ECV questions..

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I own my own ECV. It's a Pride " REVO" 3 wheel.
I really want to take my own scooter & not spend 150.00+ to rent one.
I am a little worried about taking it on the plane.:eek:
I always took it when we drove, but now that I fly I want to save the money for fun things. I want it to get there & back safe. It is a expensive piece of machinery & I can't afford to replace it..
So, Please tell me any tips & experiences please for my little REVO:moped:
to make a safe trip, :thanks:
 
I'm not sure about traveling with a scooter since this will be the first time for me too, but I do know that if it is damaged during flight the airline has to replace it the full cost of the scooter.
 
I'm not sure about traveling with a scooter since this will be the first time for me too, but I do know that if it is damaged during flight the airline has to replace it the full cost of the scooter.

Only if you have the proper documentation - meaning take photos of your ECV before you relinquish it to the airline, bring any other documents you have about it as well (like the manual).
 
I will take pictures when I get it to the airport..
Would you remove the baskets? I have 2 on it, front & back..
 

REmove anything that can get damaged or lost like baskets. Take a duffle bag or pillow case with you and strip the ECV and put stuff in the bag. It is free of charge and does not count toward your weight limits or number of bags.
 
I am going out to California in July and am thinking of taking my ECV with me. I can foresee several problems.

I use an off-airport parking. As I have an outside lift on my Ford Edge, they have told me they can drop me at the terminal and then park my car. However, there could be a problem in pickup when I return.

I have to change planes in ATL on the outbound trip and have 1 hour 14 minutes between flights, so I would have to get the ECV and get over to the other gate to re-gate check it.

I would not have a problem in SNA as I will pick a rental big enough to handle it and can break it down to fit in the trunk and toss my suitcase in the back seat.

However, my last night I will be staying at a LAX area hotel and would have to use their shuttle service to get over to the airport, and the ECV weighs 192 pounds assembled.

And simce I am traveling alone I don't have anyone to help me.

I may end up just renting one in CA, but it will be an interesting experience to use my own.
 
I will take pictures when I get it to the airport..
Would you remove the baskets? I have 2 on it, front & back..

It would be a good idea to remember that a front plus rear basket arrangement will make the scooter too long for taxis, bus lifts and some other transport vehicles. I don't remember if the airlines had a problem with my scooter when it had two baskets but the front basket was smooshed in when I got the scooter back from one leg of a flight to WDW in 2004.:confused3
 
I own my own ECV. I want it to get there & back safe. So, Please tell me any tips & experiences please for my little REVO:moped:
to make a safe trip, :thanks:

I do know that if it is damaged during flight the airline has to replace it the full cost of the scooter.

I fly UK to Disney with my Invacare powerchair every couple of years. I always remove everything I can. Last trip, however the airline broke the backrest. The airline paid for the repair in full, but that was only a relatively small part of my problem.

Day 1
My own chair is usually brought to the gate at Orlando. We land at about 2pm. After a very long wait on the aircraft (1 hr plus) I am told there is a 'problem' with my chair and it has been taken to baggage reclaim. They bring a manual chair to the door. It has fixed armrests and I cannot make my usual sliding transfer from the aircraft's aisle wheelchair. I am manhandled up & over the armrests. On through baggage reclaim (my wheelchair nowhere to be found). Find out my chair is at dammaged baggage office. Talk our way through customs (where's you own wheelchair?). Find broken wheelchair.

Now 5pm. (I should be at Boardwalk by now). Airline rep examines my broken chair and agrees it cannot be used. Talks to offsite wheelchair repair & rental company by phone. By now they are shutting up shop for the delay and can do nothing until tomorrow. Airline say they will lift me into a taxi, and that hotel will lift me out their end & put me in hotel chair. I explain Disney staff cannot lift guests. Airline agrees to call wheelchair taxi so I can stay in airport wheelchair.

Cannot get in taxi, because airport taxis have a flagpole to stop them being removed from airport. Skycap spots an airline (not my airline) chair without a pole and I am lifted into it. (up & over the armrests again) Wheelchair taxi arrives, I am loaded. Luggage is loaded, wife gets in. Airport security spots us and demands I be unloaded. I cannot take wheelchair out of the terminal. By now it is getting late and I am getting desparate, frustrated and a little angry. I get out all my dollar bills and wave them in security's face and offer to BUY the *£!*ing wheelchair. No go - back into terminal building. Wife continues to Boardwalk in taxi with luggage.

Airline finds one of its own wheelcairs and I am transferred yet again. Fixed armrests, so up & over again. Now, how do we remove pole. Airline staff finally find someone with a leatherman & pole is removed. Second wheelchair taxi called and I am taken to hotel. I arrive around 9pm instead of 4-5pm as expected.

Because of a mix-up the 1 bed handicap acessible villa I had booked is not available, and it is too late in the day to find another. I am offered a 1 bed for the first night. Because I am in an airline chair with fixed armrests, I cannot get out of the chair. I cannot transfer to the toilet, I cannot shower, I cannot get into bed. I elect to sleep sitting up in the chair. At 3am, I wake up with a dreadful pain in my neck. RCFD (Disney's fire department) are summoned to lift me from chair to bed.

Day 2
RCFD summond to lift me back into airline wheelchair. Move to 1 bed villa which is now free. Repair/rental company collects my own chair from airport and brings me rental chair to use while they make temporary repairs to my chair (cannot get spare parts for several weeks). RCFD summoned to lift me into rental powerchair. Morning wasted waiting in room for rental wheelchair. Rental wheelchair (Jazzy) has a seat which is much higher than my own, too high to transfer to toilet. Get into bed by 'falling' sideways onto bed. Use bedpan.

Days 3 to 5.
Call RCFD every morning to lift me into wheelchair which, unlike my own, does not have power seat height adjustment. Fall into bed sideways at night. Cannot shower, cannot use toilet. Use bedpan.

Day 5.
Because I am not used to rental chair and it is somewhat higher than I am used to; and because Friendship boat is fully loaded and riding in the water much lower than usual, I get catapulted onto the floor of a the boat as I ride on at the Boardwalk dock. With my agreement boat captain radios ahead to Epcot dock to have RCFD waiting for me. Arrive at Epcot to be met by dock captain, 2 person EMS crew who put band-aid on my elbow and 4 person fire crew who lift me back onto wheelchair. Entire line waiting for boat to resorts, clap and cheer.

Airline has paid for my repair and rental in full but have so far made only a token offer (vouchers to buy duty free alchohol (seldom drink spirits), tobacco (don't smoke) or perfume (I would rather take showers) to be used on my next flight to compensate me for the lost five days of my vacation. (Is there going to be a next flight?)

The matter is now with my lawyer.

I am sure that peemagg is correct in that the airline is responsible for damage, but that is not necessarily the only loss you could suffer.

Andrew
 
I fly UK to Disney with my Invacare powerchair every couple of years. I always remove aeverything I can. Last trip, however the airline broke the backrest. The airline paid for the repair in full, but that was only a relatively small part of my problem.

Day 1
My own chair is usually brought to the gate at Orlando. We land at about 2pm. After a very long wait on the aircraft (1 hr plus) I am told there is a 'problem' with my chair and it has been taken to baggage reclaim. They bring a manual chair to the door. It has fixed armrests and I cannot make my usual sliding transfer from the aircraft's aisle wheelchair. I am manhandled up & over the armrests. On through baggage reclaim (my wheelchair nowhere to be found). Find out my chair is at dammaged baggage office. Talk our way through customs (where's you own wheelchair?). Find broken wheelchair.

Now 5pm. (I should be at Boardwalk by now). Airline rep examines my broken chair and agrees it cannot be used. Talks to offsite wheelchair repair & rental company by phone. By now they are shutting up shop for the delay and can do nothing until tomorrow. Airline say they will lift me into a taxi, and that hotel will lift me out their end & put me in hotel chair. I explain Disney staff cannot lift guests. Airline agrees to call wheelchair taxi so I can stay in airport wheelchair.

Cannot get in taxi, because airport taxis have a flagpole to stop them being removed from airport. Skycap spots an airline (not my airline) chair without a pole and I am lifted into it. (up & over the armrests again) Wheelchair taxi arrives, I am loaded. Luggage is loaded, wife gets in. Airport security spots us and demands I be unloaded. I cannot take wheelchair out of the terminal. By now it is getting late and I am getting desparate, frustrated and a little angry. I get out all my dollar bills and wave them in security's face and offer to BUY the *£!*ing wheelchair. No go - back into terminal building. Wife continues to Boardwalk in taxi with luggage.

Airline finds one of its own wheelcairs and I am transferred yet again. Fixed armrests, so up & over again. Now, how do we remove pole. Airline staff finally find someone with a leatherman & pole is removed. Second wheelchair taxi called and I am taken to hotel. I arrive around 9pm instead of 4-5pm as expected.

Because of a mix-up the 1 bed handicap acessible villa I had booked is not available, and it is too late in the day to find another. I am offered a 1 bed for the first night. Because I am in an airline chair with fixed armrests, I cannot get out of the chair. I cannot transfer to the toilet, I cannot shower, I cannot get into bed. I elect to sleep sitting up in the chair. At 3am, I wake up with a dreadful pain in my neck. RCFD (Disney's fire department) are summoned to lift me from chair to bed.

Day 2
RCFD summond to lift me back into airline wheelchair. Move to 1 bed villa which is now free. Repair/rental company collects my own chair from airport and brings me rental chair to use while they make temporary repairs to my chair (cannot get spare parts for several weeks). RCFD summoned to lift me into rental powerchair. Morning wasted waiting in room for rental wheelchair. Rental wheelchair (Jazzy) has a seat which is much higher than my own, too high to transfer to toilet. Get into bed by 'falling' sideways onto bed. Use bedpan.

Days 3 to 5.
Call RCFD every morning to lift me into wheelchair which, unlike my own, does not have power seat height adjustment. Fall into bed sideways at night. Cannot shower, cannot use toilet. Use bedpan.

Day 5.
Because I am not used to rental chair and it is somewhat higher than I am used to; and because Friendship boat is fully loaded and riding in the water much lower than usual, I get catapulted onto the floor of a the boat as I ride on at the Boardwalk dock. With my agreement boat captain radios ahead to Epcot dock to have RCFD waiting for me. Arrive at Epcot to be met by dock captain, 2 person EMS crew who put band-aid on my elbow and 4 person fire crew who lift me back onto wheelchair. Entire line waiting for boat to resorts, clap and cheer.

Airline has paid for my repair and rental in full but have so far made only a token offer (vouchers to buy duty free alchohol (seldom drink spirits), tobacco (don't smoke) or perfume (I would rather take showers) to be used on my next flight to compensate me for the lost five days of my vacation. (Is there going to be a next flight?)

The matter is now with my lawyer.

I am sure that peemagg is correct in that the airline is responsible for damage, but that is not necessarily the only loss you could suffer.

Andrew


:scared1:

OMGosh.

You have single handedly convinced me that Lauren's wheelchair will never fly. She can fly, but her wheelchair will stay on the ground!!!

Our next trip, we plan to send someone ahead with her chair in the van and then will have to drive it back again...(about 10-12 hour drive)...but at least the vacation (and possibly the next 6 weeks of school) is not ruined.

I have a feeling the airline will be paying for your next trip to Disney. :rolleyes1

Horrible.

And I am so sorry! :sad2:
 
I am going out to California in July and am thinking of taking my ECV with me. I can foresee several problems.

I use an off-airport parking. As I have an outside lift on my Ford Edge, they have told me they can drop me at the terminal and then park my car. However, there could be a problem in pickup when I return.

I would make some other parking arrangement if it were me.
I have to change planes in ATL on the outbound trip and have 1 hour 14 minutes between flights, so I would have to get the ECV and get over to the other gate to re-gate check it.

Are you saying you have to use your scooter in the terminal? you could just get WC assistance to take you to the other gate. Your scooter can and should be checked through to your final destination, unless you absolutely need it there.
I would not have a problem in SNA as I will pick a rental big enough to handle it and can break it down to fit in the trunk and toss my suitcase in the back seat.

However, my last night I will be staying at a LAX area hotel and would have to use their shuttle service to get over to the airport, and the ECV weighs 192 pounds assembled.

If the hotel provides free shuttle service to it's guests. Then they need to get you accessible service to take you and scooter to the airport.
[just for information, we have taken the scooter apart on some shuttles, which is sometimes more expedient than having them call and pay for an accessible taxi etc.] but they have to provide something
And simce I am traveling alone I don't have anyone to help me.

I may end up just renting one in CA, but it will be an interesting experience to use my own.

...
 
Hi Andrew!

I'm sorry that the airline is being such a pain in the rear compensating you for all of the hassles and inconvenience you went through. I am (and was) amazed about how you handled all of that without ever losing your sense of humor and how you never allowed it to have any effect on on your having fun at WDW.

I only fly with a smallish manual chair and I've had the frame bent on that and lost part of a wheel. Which is why I always, always try to make sure we are at least allowed to try and place it in the closet on the plane. Which has become increasingly difficult recently, as the gate agents and flight attendants have made a huge issue about it the last three times we've flown. I now travel with a print-out from the airline website stating that they have to let us try the closet as well as the entire section about that from the DOT.

I think that a large part of the issue in flying with power wheelchairs and ECV's, is that very often the opening to the luggage hold that the power chair/ECV needs to fit through is barely big enough to fit luggage through. I ended up in line (at the Food and Wine Festival in Epcot) :) next to a man who works in luggage services for Delta. When he described the size of the opening into the aircraft hold that they have to work with, the complete lack of follow-through with information about the wheelchairs and ECV's that we give the gate agents upstairs and never making it to the luggage handlers that actually need the information, I am surprised that any power wheelchairs and ECV's survive being put in the hold of any airplane.

The openings they have to work with are often only about 4 feet high and slightly less than 3 feet wide (if I am remembering correctly since we'd been to more than one wine seminar that day) :) and even though the passenger has told the gate agent all of the information about what parts can fold and what ones can't, the baggage handlers don't have that information and have only minutes to get it loaded into the plane. So, they make the best guess that they can and that unfortunately results way too many times in broken wheelchairs and ECV's.

I think that the only thing I've found to do is to try and talk to a baggage supervisor. The last time that I had to have my manual wheelchair put in the luggage hold, I asked them to let me talk to the baggage supervisor and then I showed him exactly how to fold my wheelchair. He thanked me profusely and I saw him when I was on the plane showing the luggage people how to put my wheelchair in the hold. It arrived in perfect condition that time. :)

Of course, my spouse and I always plan to get to the airport at least 3 hours before our flight and try to never have connecting flights where the risk of damage seems to be higher due to how quickly they need to get luggage loaded so that there isn't any issues with the plane leaving late.

Well, I seem to have written a novel :) when all I really was planning on doing was saying hi to Andrew and telling him how good it is to "see" him online. :)
 
There's a guy I know with a powerchair who flies a lot and has made up a laminated sheet with specific instructions on what to do to take it apart, etc. as needed to get it into the plane that he ties onto the chair. He also insists on talking to the baggage supervisor at the airport they depart from.

Personally, I would never check my manual wheelchair all the way through and at the point that I have a powerchair (or scooter) I would always insist that I get it back for any layover. At the very least this means that I can check it between flights and know when any damage might happen.

I guess I've been lucky as the most damage I've had to my wheelchair is to have the brakes pushed out of place which is an easy fix with a set of allen keys (which I always travel with). I fly at least 3-4 times a year (often more) and while the back folds down on my wheelchair, that's it. I suppose it's a relatively small manual wheelchair, but I generally can't fit it into the closet in the cabin because it's not a folding wheelchair so it's always gate checked. I take anything that might possibly fall off (or, really, just about anything removeable without an allen key) off before I get on the plane and stick it in a laundry bag and that comes into the cabin with me.
 
I think that a large part of the issue in flying with power wheelchairs and ECV's, is that very often the opening to the luggage hold that the power chair/ECV needs to fit through is barely big enough to fit luggage through.

The openings they have to work with are often only about 4 feet high and slightly less than 3 feet wide

In my case at least, we are talking about a 747, and I assume size of opening into the hold is not an issue.

I understand and accept that accidents can happen. My beef with the airline was that they didn't have a proper procedure in place to deal efficiently with damage to passenger's wheelchairs. A manual chair with removeable/folding armrests and no flagpole, kept locked up in a cupboard in the airline's office for emergencies like mine would have reduced the consequences of damage to my powerchair immensly. Also they should use only wheelchair repairs/rental companies that can provide 24 hour call out.

Andrew
 
In my case at least, we are talking about a 747, and I assume size of opening into the hold is not an issue.

I understand and accept that accidents can happen. My beef with the airline was that they didn't have a proper procedure in place to deal efficiently with damage to passenger's wheelchairs. A manual chair with removeable/folding armrests and no flagpole, kept locked up in a cupboard in the airline's office for emergencies like mine would have reduced the consequences of damage to my powerchair immensly. Also they should use only wheelchair repairs/rental companies that can provide 24 hour call out.

Andrew

Oh, I agree completely! The way the airline handled it was completely and totally inappropriate. And it is just absolutely intolerable that they don't want to pay for you losing as many days of your vacation as you did. They deserve all of the bad publicity they can get from this and I don't blame you one bit. I'm glad you turned it over to a lawyer and hopefully that will get some action from them.

I don't know specifically what the size of the doors to the hold of a 747 are, but they are probably smaller then we think they should be. :) The guy I talked to told me that the large jets still have pretty small openings to put the luggage in through.

When we arrived in Puerto Vallarta two weeks ago, as usual there was no jetway available. Which meant I got carried down like a sack of potatoes by two airport workers (how accessibility is often handled in Mexico). :) We were on an Airbus 320 and since I got to sit next to the airplane while the workers discussed how they would get me into the terminal (they decided to push me in my wheelchair across the tarmac which they had brought down from the first class cabin closet), I got to see how incredibly small the opening to that plane hold was. I also got to see three jets take off and land from way closer than I had ever wanted! :)

I then had the joy of being pushed under and around some very large planes which was quite noisy and a bit scary, although the young man pushing me told me that they hadn't had anyone in a wheelchair run over by a jet since he had worked there. :)

Unlike WDW, Puerto Vallarta (and much of Mexico) is not accessible the way we have it here in the U.S. But I managed to do everything I wanted (a snorkeling tour, horseback ride and ate at a restaurant with 83 steps to the top, because the Mexican people will all just lift me and carry me wherever I need to go. :) But I have to admit, one of the things I love about WDW is that it is so accessible and I can do so much without needing anyone else to help me.
 
Andrew, :eek: :scared1: :eek:
So sorry to hear about all the trouble you had & how messed up your trip was..
I am very hopeful mine is uneventful (the traveling part)
:grouphug:
Deb
 
I fly with my ECV (on SWA) and have never had any problems whatsoever. I gate check it and it's always been waiting for me at the door of the plane when I get off. No damage-not so much as a scratch.
 
So, Please tell me any tips & experiences please for my little REVO:moped:
to make a safe trip, :thanks:

I apologise for partly hijacking your thread.

My problems were exaggerated because I cannot transfer easily, and my own wheelchair has features like a power adjusting seat that help me get into & out of the chair. I cannot stand up from sitting because my legs give out and once on the floor, I can't get up again.

I assume from your message, that you have no trouble standing up and walking a few steps to and from your ECV. I assume therefore that even if your own ECV were damaged by the airline, you could use a rental paid for by them. Even if your ECV were damaged, I am sure the airline would pay for its repair, and pay for a rental during your vacation.

Others have suggested removing everything that is loose and taking them into the cabin (I always do this).

Others have suggested making cards showing ground crews how to assemble/disassemble/fold your chair & put it into freewheel mode. (great idea-- I will do this on future trips)

One extra suggestion of my own-- Get your ECV serviced just before you go on vacation. Then you have an engineer's service report of the condition of your ECV just before your vacation in case of any dispute with your airline. (I always do this now after I discovered something broken several days after returning from a previous trip ...something I had not spotted and reported at the airport). Maybe take photos too.

I would not worry too much. You are not taking your ECV overseas (where parts might not be immediately available).

I assume you could use a rental provided by the airline.

Andrew
 
I took my old Pace Saver Plus last May on Southwest. They broke the handle that locks the tiller up or down. It took about 2 hours at Damaged baggage they tightened what was left of the handle but it wasn't tight enough. If I stopped fast the tiller went forward I was afraid I would hit someone.
They sent a replacement to our hotel the next morning so we couldn't go to the parks early but they fixed mine and I used the replacement for 3 days. I was a little inconvenienced but they were real nice and as helpful as they could be. I wouldn't hesitate to take mine again but will leave the tiller in the upright position next time. With the tiller down they tried to pick the scooter up with the lock handle
 














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