Fly or Drive? What To Do?

I left it off because Im not worried or stressing over the issue of getting into an accident like everyone else is. Im confident we would make it down there and back OK. Like Ive said before. Getting into an accident is the furthest thing on my mind.

bavaria said:
Well, good luck in your decision. I see that you have completely left the safety issue of driving off your list, yet you focus on it for flying. I can't change your mind, nor will I spend any more energy in trying to give rational explanation.

Have a good trip whatever you decide.
 
Flying still safer than driving, even in wake of Sept. 11

By Nancy Ross-Flanigan
News Service

For any distance long enough that flying is an option, traveling on major airlines is far less dangerous than driving on even the safest available roads, an analysis by U-M Transportation Research Institute (UMTRI) researchers shows.

The conclusion holds true even when the latest statistics—including the deaths of passengers on the four planes hijacked on Sept. 11, 2001—are taken into account, Michael Sivak and Michael Flannagan write in the January-February issue of American Scientist magazine.

The researchers published a similar analysis in 1991, which documented a substantially lower risk of flying compared with driving in the United States. But in light of the Sept. 11 hijackings and continued threats of terrorist attacks, many Americans have become skittish about flying, so Sivak and Flannagan decided to recalculate the risks.

In their analysis, the researchers considered scheduled domestic passenger operations of 10 major U.S. airlines and travel by cars, light trucks, vans and sport utility vehicles on rural interstate highways—the main type of roadway that would be used as an alternative to flying and a type of road that is particularly safe per distance traveled.

Their calculations showed that driving the length of a typical nonstop flight—1,157 km or 719 miles—is 65 times as risky as flying. In fact, "for this type of flying to become as risky as driving, disastrous airline incidents on the scale of those of Sept. 11 would have to occur about once a month," says Sivak, head of UMTRI's Human Factors Division.

"We don't mean to sound melodramatic," says Flannagan, a senior associate research scientist at UMTRI, "but we want to convey the significance of that number. What's probably most important to note is how dangerous driving is. More than 42,000 lives are lost in road traffic accidents in the United States every year. That's an amazing number of deaths, especially considering that many of these are healthy, young people who otherwise would have had long life expectancies."

The researchers also note that most of the Sept.11 fatalities were not passengers in the four planes, but people in targeted buildings and on the ground. "We don't want to minimize the tragedy of Sept. 11," Flannagan says. "We're just making the point that from the perspective of personal safety, domestic flying on major airlines is still far safer than driving. There's a disconnection between the popular perception of risk and what the data really indicate. We're trying to contribute at a rational level to this issue that people are chewing over on a psychological level."

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Hope that helps. :sunny:
 
We have ALWAYS flown to WDW (we live in Iowa). This December, we're going to try and drive. Not because we're scared or don't want to deal with the added "security," but because we just haven't ever driven through the part of the country we'll get to drive through (Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida). In May, we're flying to Hawaii (not much choice there, unless we wanted to drive to LA first, then fly on to Hawaii, LOL).

I did some number crunching on the costs and time for each (for my family). It would cost us $950 in transportation costs for airfare, rental car and gas. It will cost us $500 to drive our own car, including one night of hotel stay on the way there and again on the way back, but not including a minimal amount of depreciation on our vehicle for the 3,000 miles that will be put on it.

$450 might not sound like much, but in a 1-week vacation budget, it allows us to do some things we weren't going to be able to do before.

HOWEVER, here is why this will probably be the only time we do this: 20 hours of driving each way, compared to 7 hours of travel if by air...even if flying into Sanford instead of MCO. That's 26 hours of saved travel time (not including the hotel stay each way!). Now, I'm not sure what value you all put on your own time, but $450/26 comes out to around $17/hr, so I'd really be better off to stay home and work an extra 20 hours or so, THEN hop on a plane and fly to Florida. :)

But...to each their own. STATISTICALLY, flying is safer than driving, especially safer than driving short distances (most car accidents happen within 25 miles of home). Fly airlines with good safety history. Practice defensive driving habits. Take a Dramamine before you fly. Drink lots of Pepsi when you drive. Really...DO whatever makes you most comfortable and happy.
 
OK, taking accidents out of the equation, this is what happened to us on our way to LA last year. We were driving down the road and we finally came to a stop. This is NOT in LA, but near it, in Bakersfield. There was a bridge the freeway went over. I kid you NOT...we had to wait on the freeway six hours because some nut job had strapped a bomb to himself, and was attempting to blow up the bridge with him. We finally all had to turn around, exit off the freeway backwards, and stay in hotels for the night until they got the guy subdued. Im not sure if he ever blew himself up or not, but we stayed by the freeway in a hotel and I never heard anything!


Another time driving to Phoenix from Seattle we were in Utah. By the way, they have really crazy drivers...I saw two semi trucks try to pass each other. One truck swerved, bumped into the other one and the other truck driver threw on his breaks. The first semi plowed into 5 cars, two vans with kids in them. The second semi we were behind, went up and over the middle barrier into an embankment. It was horrific! Of course we were very blessed because I got a funny feeling right before all this happened, and I left a lot of room between us and the two trucks. If I hadnt, its likely we would have been squished between the trucks.

BTW, I will NEVER believe a terrorist when they say to stay calm and no one will get hurt. I will plan, and devise ANYTHING to attack them, and kill them if I have to.....no one will ever threaten me, or my family like that....especially with box cutters. I think in todays world, most Americans would do the exact thing given the same situation.
 

Disney8704 said:
Not worried about weather. We drove from TN back home to DE in a blizzard a couple yrs back. Fars Im concered a blizzard is the worst thing to drive in. Sure hurricanes maybe dangerous to drive in, but you dont have icy spots on the roads either. And trust me we hit a lot of icy spots. Infact one point of time we were driving on a road that was nothing but ice. And when we got back home right outside our apt complex we were living in at the time, we got stuck in the snow. Luckly my brother in law and a couple other guys was out there helping ppl get unstuck.

I'm not sure what else you want from the people reading this thread. Everyone has answered your questions and shared their opinions, yet your only concern is
What I am trying to get people to realize that at this point of time flying is more dangerous.
I believe that people make the choices that are best for themselves and their families. It sounds like you've already done that.

And for the record, I wasn't speaking of driving in hurricanes. I live in Kentucky, and on Tuesday morning a storm developed out of nowhere (it seemed) and within minutes there was rain as hard as I've ever driven in. It was quite scary. I was on a 2-lane road with no place to pull off and wait it out.

Getting into an accident is the furthest thing on my mind.

Getting into an accident was the furthest thing on my mind in November 1997 and again in May 1998. I did not wake up and think, "today is a good day to be involved in a head-on collision"...

I gave you several other legitimate concerns about driving, aside from weather and accidents. You can only control what happens with your car. You cannot control the actions of the thousands of other drivers on the interstates.
 
5 pages of posts and not one person has mentioned road construction.

Everyone talks about the added time at the airport with extra security, but no one talks about the hour I spent stuck in traffic around Pensacola on the way to WDW due to road construction....or, the 2 hours in traffic on the turnpike coming back because of the smoke on the roads from the Florida wild fires.

Rand Mcnally says it's a 12 hour trip for me...I can usually make it in 11 hours....this last time it took me 13 hours each way.

I'd much rather drive 1 hour, sit in an airport for 1.5 hours, fly for 1.5 hours, and take another 1 hour getting to my WDW resort of choice on ME.

We flew in 2004 and 2005 and decided to drive this time since I was paying for my MIL and SIL to come to WDW with us. Never again. We will always fly from now on. We seemed to be worn down at the beginning of the vacation from all the driving and we were definitely worn down when we arrived home at the end of the vacation.

I don't care about the statistics or any of that other stuff. I don't really enjoy flying...but, I much rather flying over 13 hours in a car.

But....to each their own.

Speed :teleport:
 
Disney8704 said:
I never said that driving didnt have it faults. Of course its dangerous. But flying is also dangerous. I dont care about stats. You cant always go by stats.

You asked for facts people gave them to you and "now you don't care" Then why ask???


Disney8704 said:
Only a matter of time terriost is gonna direct their attention yet again at the US. Infact they probably already are. Who knows what they are planning next. What I am trying to get people to realize that at this point of time flying is more dangerous. How do you know the next time you get on a plane there isnt a terriost on board with you? At least driving in ur car, you know whos there with you.

yes, they are targeting us. However, unless you are in possesion of MORE facts the the rest of the WORLD, how do YOU know what they are targeting???? Consdiering that you have admitted in this thread that you drive in conditions that ANY resonable driver would consider to be endangering your family (roads completely covered in ice) I have concerns over your ability to judge a DANGEROUS situation. Next time you are driving on SOLID SHEETS of ice maybe consideration of an accident should not be the furthest thing from your mind!


Disney8704 said:
As far as Disney has a plan just incase a terriost were to ever hit not exactly sure on the details but I know that Disney World would be completely evacutaed and MacDill Air Force Base would get over to Disney World immediately. Since they are a fighter base, it wouldnt take them long to get there. Like I said not 100% sure on the details but thats what I heard. I heard it on the news right after 9/11 happened because they were talking about what the next target was and they mentioned Disney World and what would happen if a terriost ever struck there.

And how do you know all this???? Let's start with this the Air Force Base has FIGHTERS there. They aren't landing in the Epcot parking lot and flying you away.


As others have said you have made your decision. However, what you are now doing is trying to justify your decison by attempting to SCARE others. (And consdiering your driving comments I for one feel much safer in the air then on the road with your DH)
 
5 pages of posts and not one person has mentioned road construction.

very good point. we dread driving through Nashville, dread it... it seems like there is always some sort of roadwork going on there, LOL! I'm sure it's like that in many other places, as well...

there's nothing I like more than driving along and realizing 3 lanes of traffic is merging into one for road work. ugh.
 
madge said:
there's nothing I like more than driving along and realizing 3 lanes of traffic is merging into one for road work. ugh.

Hey in Georgia we can do one better. We just shut the thing down for an hour or so..... Four lanes to STOPPED!!!! :moped:


And in Atlanta if the DOT doesn't do it, we drivers will. Atlanta traffic either goes 90 MPH or 0, take your chances! :rotfl2:
 
Count me in on flying. We are leaving a week from today and I doubt I would ever drive the 24 hr trip. We were in Disney for 9/11 and had to fly home 4 days later - felt safer seeing the police and dogs and everything else.

I agree if we change our lives they win. Where will it end. First we don't go on planes, next we won't travel in subways, pretty soon malls, then grocery stores. If you change your life it will never end - soon you'll be in the house 24 hours a day. And who knows, while your in your house a truck could hit it and kill you in your recliner!!
 
CarolA said:
Hey in Georgia we can do one better. We just shut the thing down for an hour or so..... Four lanes to STOPPED!!!! :moped:


And in Atlanta if the DOT doesn't do it, we drivers will. Atlanta traffic either goes 90 MPH or 0, take your chances! :rotfl2:

CarolA,
I'm not sure how you've survived driving in Nashville and Atlanta... I'm very impressed!

Atlanta and Nashville are the two big reasons we prefer to fly. Can't stand driving through either. LOL.
 
We always drive. The main reason - my husband hates to fly. Aside from work (when the Army sends him to the Persian Gulf, they make him fly :rolleyes: ) he has only voluntarily flown twice in ten years - once when we won a trip to Ireland and once to visit his grandfather when he had a stroke.

Second reason - plane tickets to Orlando for our family of five would be at least $1000. There is no way gas and one or even two motel stays along the way would reach that number.

Third reason - we love having our own vehicle with us for a number of convenience reasons.

It's a 20 hour drive, with three kids, and no it isn't easy. But honestly, having sat next to my husband on that 9 hour flight to Ireland - I would much rather be in a minivan with three screaming children!
 
Let me be clear on one thing. When we were in TN we had no clue a blizzard was gonna hit and DH had to come home immediatly. Its not like we could tell his job no. Im sorry but u dont tell the military no. So us driving 14 hrs in a blizzard, we couldnt help that. If his job didnt need him, of course we would have stayed until the blizzard passed. Dont think for 1 second I wasnt worried or scared. Of course I was worried and scared. I had never traveled in a blizzard before. I've been in them sitting at home, but never was on a road during one. I even had a dream the night before we left that we were gonna get into an accident. And it felt and seemed so real, so while Im sitting keeping an eye out on the road, that dream kept replaying in my mind over and over again until we got home, which actually turned out to be a 17 hr drive instead of a 14 hr drive. As for the air force in FL I know they arent gonna drop in and fly everyone away. I'm not an idiot. How Disney would go about evacuating everyone, I dunno. I assume buses. And for the 2nd time, NO I have NOT made my decision yet. More then likely its gonna boil down to what we can afford. If we can afford to drive then we just might. But if we cant afford it, then we have no other opition but to fly. And I am not trying to scare anyone here. You all are the ones who keep mentioning about car accidents. Yes I may have mentioned about terriost attacks on planes, but thats no new news there. It doesnt take a genius to figure that one out.


CarolA said:
You asked for facts people gave them to you and "now you don't care" Then why ask???




yes, they are targeting us. However, unless you are in possesion of MORE facts the the rest of the WORLD, how do YOU know what they are targeting???? Consdiering that you have admitted in this thread that you drive in conditions that ANY resonable driver would consider to be endangering your family (roads completely covered in ice) I have concerns over your ability to judge a DANGEROUS situation. Next time you are driving on SOLID SHEETS of ice maybe consideration of an accident should not be the furthest thing from your mind!




And how do you know all this???? Let's start with this the Air Force Base has FIGHTERS there. They aren't landing in the Epcot parking lot and flying you away.


As others have said you have made your decision. However, what you are now doing is trying to justify your decison by attempting to SCARE others. (And consdiering your driving comments I for one feel much safer in the air then on the road with your DH)
 
madge said:
CarolA,
I'm not sure how you've survived driving in Nashville and Atlanta... I'm very impressed!

Atlanta and Nashville are the two big reasons we prefer to fly. Can't stand driving through either. LOL.

:rotfl2:

I didn't really mind Nashville

Atlanta... I made sure my condo was an easy commute to Marta and I take the train to work. Helps a LOT!

However, I have been working a lot in Birmingham and they keep complaining about traffic and I keep thinking "they think this is bad, they need to come to Atlanta"
 
madge said:
Atlanta and Nashville are the two big reasons we prefer to fly. Can't stand driving through either. LOL.

Nashville is a piece of cake compared to Atlanta! :rotfl: Hands down, the wee morning hours seem to be the best time to drive through Atlanta. Last month we hit it around 1:30 am (Saturday) going down and traffic was light. Coming home we hit it about 11:00 pm (on a Friday). Holy cow! I would hate to see what rush hour is like! All lanes FULL and running about 80 mph! DH thought for sure I was going to rip what I refer to as the "oh he!! handle" off the van! :rotfl2: Should we drive it again, no way, no how will we go through Atlanta other than wee morning hours again. I will kill some time at an Awful Waffle House if I have to, just to avoid it! ;)

Back to the subject at hand...I believe it all comes down to doing what you feel comfortable doing. For my family it all comes down to which way is less expensive at the time, NOT what some group of nutjobs that get their jollys from killing innocent people MIGHT be planning. I figure either way, if it's our time to go, then so be it. I will not let what MIGHT happen stop me from living my life. Do what you feel is best for you and go on. Life is too short to be sitting around worrying about what MIGHT happen. :)
 
bg4 said:
Is leaving your shampoo and pepsi behind that much of a hassle in terms of safety. We are all giving in to fear and thats somewhat normal.

You haven't seen all the extra junk I carry in my purse. The thought of flying for four hours on an arid plane without hand lotion or lip gloss is just scary.

We are are trying to decide whether to fly or drive. I'm just worried about losing my luggage. Here's my thinking: More luggage has to be checked rather than carried on. I know many airlines have cut back on the amount of luggage handlers.

More luggage + less handlers = lost bags

My DH and I have only flown twice and both times his luggage was missing (luckily it showed up again). You're right, I can replace that stuff, but won't that just add more cost to my flight, where I just costs time with driving.

A friend just returned from Disney. Since he had to stuff more toiletry items in his luggage, the airline charged him extra for a heavy bag. He literally had to pay for his safety. Why couldn't they waive that fee on the the day the threat level went red?
 
duecalion said:
You haven't seen all the extra junk I carry in my purse. The thought of flying for four hours on an arid plane without hand lotion or lip gloss is just scary.

We are are trying to decide whether to fly or drive. I'm just worried about losing my luggage. Here's my thinking: More luggage has to be checked rather than carried on. I know many airlines have cut back on the amount of luggage handlers.

More luggage + less handlers = lost bags

My DH and I have only flown twice and both times his luggage was missing (luckily it showed up again). You're right, I can replace that stuff, but won't that just add more cost to my flight, where I just costs time with driving.

A friend just returned from Disney. Since he had to stuff more toiletry items in his luggage, the airline charged him extra for a heavy bag. He literally had to pay for his safety. Why couldn't they waive that fee on the the day the threat level went red?

Whlie your experience may be different, lost luggage is an overblown myth. Was your luggage truly lost, or delayed? if it reappeared, it was not actually counted as lost.

I have had two delayed pieces of luggage in 10 years, with hundreds of thousands of miles flown each year. Once, I was moving from Germany and Briitish Airways misdirected a suitcase; it reappeared a week later. Last year I landed at my home airport; United was paging me before I even arrived in the baggage hall to advise me that my bag didn't make the flight, and that it would be on the next flight. It was delivered to my home within hours.

The fear of lost luggage has in part added to the increase in carry on luggage over the past years. Earlier this year someone asked how many times we had heard of actual lost luggage using ME - there were two instances that we could find since ME began (Not saying that was all, but only two DIS users reported lost luggage in all that time)

Re your friend flying last week - that does surprise me, as most airlines increased the baggage allowance to 3 checked pieces from 2, with no extra charge. But if he went over 50 pounds/bag, he may have been charged overweight. I agree that was probably not the best PR choice by his airline that day.
 
I have never had "lost luggage" and I have over a million miles on Delta, a boatload on SW and another few hundred thousand on AA with various misc flights thrown in for good measure. (And when you live in Nashville MOST of your flights require connections in either Atlanta or Dallas)

I can count on ONE hand the "delayed" luggage and only once was it not on the way home.


Actually your delayed luggage chances go up with "gate checking" At one point in Nashville, if they had to gate check because the overhead was full then the DL station manger HELD your luggage for the next flight and I don't think he's alone in that.


The reason the airlines have cut bag on baggage handlers was NOT becasue everyone was hauling the KITCHEN SINK and all thier worldly possesion on board, but becasue of AUTOMATION which reduces lost luggage. (Unless you have that awful system Denver tried a few years ago!)

While I do travel with carryon I would have no concern if they continued to outlaw a lot of it. About half of you doing carryon should NOT be doing it. If you can't lift it in the overhead, it's not carryon. If you have a "purse", a rollerboard and a small tote, SOMETHING needs to go to baggage check (And yes, your large plastic Disney bag stuffed with things you purchased counts, it's not two plus the Disney bag) If the 22" is stuffed to the gills and ALL of the outer pockets have to be emptied into your lap before it can be wedged into the overhead then it's not a carry on.

(And if you can live out of your purse, something tells me you aren't a carryon canidate. I have friends like that, we know they can't do carryon but in the event of a disaster they can outfit us all for a month LOL!)
 
CarolA said:
(And if you can live out of your purse, something tells me you aren't a carryon canidate. I have friends like that, we know they can't do carryon but in the event of a disaster they can outfit us all for a month LOL!)
That's me to a T. Thanks, both of you. You've really made me feel better. We're not going until October, but I've already priced a rental car just in case. I would rather fly. I don't think Mickey Mouse would care if I had frizzed out hair. This will be my very first trip and I'm so excited to go.
 
duecalion said:
I don't think Mickey Mouse would care if I had frizzed out hair. This will be my very first trip and I'm so excited to go.

He'll be happy to see you, no matter what you look like! Just check your bags, take a change of t-shirt and underclothes in your carryon, a comb, lipstick, and powder..... :)

And the most important item on my list above? the underclothes. Trust me. When your 9 hour travel day becomes 48 hours or more it becomes the most valuable carryon!
 














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