Florida schools what do you hate about them?

buckleybunch,

I think you are correct. The school work does seem more challenging down here compared to what my DS was doing in Michigan.

Your kids will catch up. Don't worry. :sunny: It always takes some time to get adjusted.
 
The schools here in Orange county at least vary wildly. Soutwest Orange county-Hunters Creek the schools are very good, where near Winter Garden, they are not good at all.
Seminole County schools (Lake Mary, Sanford) as a general rule, do better than Orange county schools.
South Florida- Boca Raton boasts the 3rd highest rated school district in the NATION. (supposedly)

Not related to your question on schools, but from Palm Beach County south through Broward and into Miami Dade county- it seeme like everyone you meet here is formerly from NYC, New Jersey or Long Island.
 
Not related to your question on schools, but from Palm Beach County south through Broward and into Miami Dade county- it seeme like everyone you meet here is formerly from NYC, New Jersey or Long Island.[/QUOTE]


Christmas Elf~ That is so true! We were surrounded by New Yorkers, with the occasional Midwesterner or South American sprinkled in. It seems increasingly rare to meet a "native Floridian!" :sunny:
 
Elf,

DH and I are LIers (Merrick and Massapequa) and we're aware of what good schools are like there. The boys are in a great school in all areas-principal and vice principal are accessible and INVOLVED, extremely active PTA, lots of activities.

Younger son has two teachers because the class is on the edge of being too large at 25, so they've broken out reading and math groups from two teachers to a third teacher. I have a feeling that the plan is to 'loop' those kids into her class for second grade.

From what I hear from my coworkers, this seems to be the norm, rather than the exception around here. I've worked on both sides of Hillsborough and have heard positive all around.

Suzanne
 

Elf...As a fellow Long Islander we were so very close to moving to Florida 2 years ago. After much, much investigation and talking to school personnel and actually going to the schools and meeting with guidance counselors we decided on Oviedo, Florida (Seminole County) and our other choice was Avalon Park in Orlando (Orange County) check out www.avalonpark.com


Good Luck and keep us informed
 
floridafam said:
We moved from Michigan to Florida in 2004. All we heard from everyone up North was how bad the schools were down here.

I guess it does matter where you come from. We went from Missouri to Texas and I can't say enough how I love the schools over Missouri.
Yes, they do the TAKS tests in Texas but Missouri only did "assessment tests" The "MAP test". The teachers are held to nothing.
Let me tell you...I would rather there be ANY accountability than NONE.
 
I absolutely love my DD's school. It is a private school located on CR535 just south of Reams Road. It is a wonderful school with grades K through 12. There are no more than 12 kids to any classroom. The teachers and staff are terrific. From the moment we walked in the door to talk about enrolling DD, we felt welcome. Because the teacher to student ratio is so small, I feel DD is getting a much better education.

Last year, she went to West Orange High School in Winter Garden. She hated it. I hated it. There were over 50 kids in some of her classes.

Not a day went by without fights in the halls. It was not unusual for me to see the police arresting a student when I picked her up after school. I never felt that DD was safe in that school. The school was so over-crowded. One day, she was knocked down in the hall while trying to go to her next class. No one stopped to help her. In fact, one kid stepped on her.

Although she had a couple of good teachers there, most were mediocre. One teacher made a mistake posting grades to their online system. I sent him an email asking him to fix her grade (he actually messed up the grades for the entire class). He told me to have DD remind him. She did so a couple of times. After a month, the grade was not fixed. I emailed him again. He told DD in school that it was no sweat off his brow if her grade ever got fixed. He never did fix the grades of most of the other kids. They were afraid to approach him. That type of behavior was not unusual at that school. When some of the parents approached the principal about teacher actions, they were dismissed. The only thing the principal cared about was the FCAT. The school was totally obsessed with the FCAT.

I have never once regretted moving DD to her current school.
 
Most Seminole County Schools are good. I live right next to Longwood, but in Orange County. The school they will go to for elementary school is great, but I am concerned about the middle school here (both my DH and I went there, but it seems like a lot has changed--the good news is there are 7 years before our first son goes to middle school so a lot could change!).

I think pretty much all public schools here are overcrowded, there is no way to keep up with the growth around here!

Good luck with your house and school hunt!
Christy
 
we're in hillsborough county, a suburb east of Tampa. you guys are way ahead of me on the educational numbers. I think the FCAT is a huge waste of time. I care about teachers and staff I can contact, and the way my daughter feels about her education. the rest is garbage. the kids here are in school a month too long. after the FCAT's they watch movies for 2 1/2 weeks. she's just as happy as she was in Illinois, and the curriculum is about the same. she's always on the honor roll, so no slip in grades. we did have to sacrifice to get her into the grade school she's in. we were zoned for the new middle school that has to bus kids in from 'urban' Tampa and is having problems. we waved transportation and had to get school board backing to take her to and from the school and repeat yearly. so much for property taxes and politics.
 
I am in N. Florida, in one of the best systems in the state. I am mostly pleased with my children's schools, but firmly believe in supplementing what they are learning in school with lots of varied and educational experiences in the family and home life. Our schools in this county rank at the top in Florida, but Florida ranks near the bottom in the US. I would rather compare my child's education to schools all over the country, not just in this mediocre state school district.

Crowding in schools here is certainly a problem. The voter approved class size ammendment will help greatly if it is allowed to operate. Our governor is determined to repeal or limit it. Not much learning going on in Kindergarten classes with 24 students, IMO.
 
Feralpeg said:
Last year, she went to West Orange High School in Winter Garden. She hated it. I hated it. There were over 50 kids in some of her classes.

Not a day went by without fights in the halls. It was not unusual for me to see the police arresting a student when I picked her up after school. I never felt that DD was safe in that school. The school was so over-crowded. One day, she was knocked down in the hall while trying to go to her next class. No one stopped to help her. In fact, one kid stepped on her.

Although she had a couple of good teachers there, most were mediocre. One teacher made a mistake posting grades to their online system. I sent him an email asking him to fix her grade (he actually messed up the grades for the entire class). He told me to have DD remind him. She did so a couple of times. After a month, the grade was not fixed. I emailed him again. He told DD in school that it was no sweat off his brow if her grade ever got fixed. He never did fix the grades of most of the other kids. They were afraid to approach him. That type of behavior was not unusual at that school. When some of the parents approached the principal about teacher actions, they were dismissed. The only thing the principal cared about was the FCAT. The school was totally obsessed with the FCAT.

My oldest child graduated from West Orange and experienced none of what you have described. Sorry to see your dd had such a hard time.
 
ChristmasElf said:
My oldest child graduated from West Orange and experienced none of what you have described. Sorry to see your dd had such a hard time.

Thank you. May I ask when your child graduated? I wonder if the school has changed or if my DD just ended up in the wrong classes.
 
elf said:
Can you recommend any good elementary schools in the Central Orlando area.
We are seriously considering leaving Long Island. The only other place I've ever wanted to live was Florida (love hot weather).
My family loves to hike, ride bikes, swim, kayak etc.
I want to stay within 1 hour to attractions, hoping lots of our family disney nuts will visit often.
One of the places I was looking at was Sanford, Clermont (a little high in my price range), Lake Mary. We are looking at the 300,000-$350,000 range.

I really don't want year round school or an overcrowded school. What do you hate about the schools in the area? What are things to watch for? What schools do you love? and why?
MY kids will be in 3rd and 1st grade next Aug./sept.
I also need some special services for 3rd grader anyone familiar with spec. ed there?
Thanks, for any input.

My sister (teacher of the year at her school for 2005 :thumbsup2 ) works as a first grade teacher at Clarcona-Ocoee elementary. They also have special education classes with excellent, caring teachers but they do combine all grade levels in one class. The population of the school is mixed, with mostly lower to middle income families, however they were rated an "A" school for at least the past two years and that area (Ocoee) is expanding as more housing communities are being built. It's considered SW Orlando almost on the Seminole county border near Apopka. They just built a new high school as well.

I'm not familiar with Winter Garden in terms of schools as I grew up in Deltona, but I remember that Seminole County is usually tops in the area and I believe they also have a higher pay rate for teachers.

As far as class sizes, our governor is trying to "get out" of the smaller class size amendment that we voted on becuase (from what I gather from new articles) they don't have the money to increase the number of teachers in relation to the number of students who move to this area annualy. There will be approximately 30,000 new teachers that will need to be hired for next year, and they expect to fill all but around 5,000-7,000. They have really increased efforts to recruit teachers from other states in the Midwest where populations are decreasing as are teaching jobs. We'll see how that goes, considering the housing prices here right now.

As far as teacher aides, my sister's school has quite a few and they are always looking for more. They are titled as "paraprofessionals." You can check out Orange County Public Schools and Seminole County Public Schools for more info and I think that Longwood, Lake Mary, or Winter Park would all be great centralized locations.
 
Regarding Florida schools...

My friend lives in Palm Harbor...near Clearwater. She said just living in a certain subdivision does not guarantee that everyone from there goes to the same school. In other words you can go to school A but down the block or around the corner...they may be bussed and going to school B. I don't know if this has anything to do with the massive building thats going on in her area or if the schools are overcrowed or a combination of both. They had thought about downsizing and staying in their immediate area, but they were concerned as to the school that they would be assigned.

Does anyone know anything about this, why this is happening, and whether this is just a problem local to them? Does this happen in other Florida districts?
 
It's so difficult doing this from a distance. I've had three homes and moved around 6 times in my life but it was all here on Long Island from Western LI to far Eastern LI where I am now. It's so hard to get a feel for a place by doing internet research. I couldn't have gotten this far without everyones help here.

I found two real estate agents that seem good. Jane from Homejoy has sent listings of Waterford and Oviedo (Avalon Park was too much $$ for us), wasn't too crazy about Waterford school.

In Hillsborough County, Patti from Empire has sent a hundred listings some great homes, Riverview, Lithia, Valrico and Seffner. Love most the homes and the prices are better than expected, but there are no perfect listings, either the house isn't right, or the house is great, and the elementary school is questionable, or the elementary school is great but the middle and High Schools aren't.

I want to find someone in Longwood today. If anyone knows a agent specializing in the area I'd love a recommendation. Or if anyone has info. on any particular towns listed I'd love to hear.

Thats true about two houses on a block could go to two different schools. What I've been doing to get school information is, I'm using each districts web site to find out what school a particular address is assigned to. Then I go to GreatSchools.com to see how the schools are rated. Very time consuming, even with a cable connection it's slow because of all the windows I have open.
Sorry for ramble.
 
If you're seriously considering Valrico/Brandon, please pm me. I just moved to the area in October, and I'd be happy to help.

One thing I thought of based on Mickey's gal's post is that Florida is a "choice" state. I'm not clear on the particulars because I didn't do it, but you can elect to put your child in a different school. I think you have to provide transportation unless it's a magnet school.

I know that for the magnet schools they do a feeder bus type thing. My DS wants to go to the engineering/tech high school, and I warned him the bus picks up in our neighborhood at 5:45 (I see them loading as I leave for work!). He still wants to go.
 
elf said:
It's so difficult doing this from a distance. I've had three homes and moved around 6 times in my life but it was all here on Long Island from Western LI to far Eastern LI where I am now. It's so hard to get a feel for a place by doing internet research. I couldn't have gotten this far without everyones help here.

I can relate. DH and I started discussing moving here as early as 2000, with him gung ho and me rather reluctant. Twice a year trips to mom's and the mouse furthered his insistance we move. It took a blizzard and a coworker's comment (on LI, you stay inside all winter. In florida, you stay inside all summer) to change my mind. So in February of 2003, we decided that it was a go.

Six solo trips and two family trips later, we found our town, our school and our builder. I'd been spoiled-I built once before and wanted a new house again. I spent hours online with school report cards, special ed group bbs's, etc. We're happy with our choice.

In laws moved down here from Massapequa the second week of December. They made an 11 day trip two weeks after they were under contract. Their realtor on LI (BonAnno) had realtors down here. They gave him their wants and 'would likes'. He had a list of 15 houses before they got here. House number 3 was the one they bought. It was six months old, so they got new w/o the stress of building it. I cringe at the no research aspect, but it's a heck of a lot easier when you don't have kids (special ed,especially) to worry about!

It CAN be done. You definitely can do it. Feel free to PM me (all us transplants say the same thing,lol)

TKDLisa, :wave: We're ten minutes from you!

Suzanne
 
tkd lisa said:
One thing I thought of based on Mickey's gal's post is that Florida is a "choice" state. I'm not clear on the particulars because I didn't do it, but you can elect to put your child in a different school.

You can only do this if the school you want to send your child to isn't considered overcrowded. We all know the answer to that, so it's almost impossible to get approved. There are some special circumstances under which they will approve a reassignment, but it's a very lengthy and tiring process that doesn't guarantee that your child's reassignment will be approved. Even under those special circumstances, you have to prove your case with valid facts.

The process works likes this:

1. You apply for reassignment to the school of your choice by a certain
deadline.
2. Application gets rejected, you're notified in the summer.
3. You request an appeal before a hardship committee of about 8 people, not
a friendly bunch. They determine if your request gets approved or
rejected and you are notified within 2 days after your meeting.
4. If you are rejected again, then you can make your last appeal before the
School Board.

It was easier to get your child reassigned years ago, not now though. There are schools that are under-enrolled, ours is this year, yet they won't accept reassignments. In my county, Broward, the only schools accepting reassignments are low performing schools and some in not so great areas. Some of the magnet schools do have really good programs, but are located in, again, not so great areas. Keep in mind, that there are children that live within the boundaries for that specific school that will get to attend that school, regardless of their grades. Yet, your child has to prove himself/herself by having a good GPA and good FCAT scores. Each magnet school has different requirements though.

There are good and bad schools in FL, just like every other state in the nation. We've have had experience with what I considered a lousy school. I knew that it wasn't the best school for my kids, every time I pulled into the school's parking lot, I wanted to throw up. So, I decided to find a better school for them and I fought really hard to get them reassigned. It was the best decision I ever made and it proved that there are better schools out there, you just have to seek them out.

Continue to do your research. Your best bet is to visit the schools, in person, in the areas that you are interested in purchasing a home. I know that some people like to put down FL schools, many with no firsthand knowledge, but based on "things" that they've heard from "friends". However, believe it or not, ;) many of our students do actually get accepted and are sought after by Ivy League Schools. ;)

Good luck with your search! :goodvibes
 


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