Finger Scanning-what a joke

[WedwayRocks]

Ohhhhh hehehe ok. I understand now. Your up in arms about Disney's profit. So what part of the Disney Bookkeeping office do you work in? Do you have these figures for food, merchandise? yeah...didnt think so.

You're an AP holder. You should be up in arms about the fact that theyre taking away all of our benefits and raising the prices of an AP considerably.

So here's my point. Disney has to have rules. Without rules, it would be a free-for-all, and as we all know, without rules and laws, lots of people would behurt, used, killed and a variety of other things. So they had to set up a system to stop those "scalping" tickets. And protect people who get their tickets stolen as well. Yes the finger scanning isnt the best idea. But its what Disney has in place. If you're THAT concerned write them a letter about it, instead of wasting hours complaing to DISboards members.

Stay concerned with your family. And stop worrying about others. If you advocate breaking disney rules. So be it. I cant stop you. Nor do I care.

Coming from a person that has 508 posts and has obviously kept up to date with what has been going on in this post...seems kind of fishy from someone advising me not to spend hours in here. What's to say I have written a letter. I have said this, I dont agree with this, so dont say that I advocate it, and if you dont care then why do you write a long response? I was just trying to engage in some fun hearted discussion, don't get personal.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Of course, you're correct. I don't think anyone is claiming that DisCo ends up in the red if Bob and Alice share one 10-day MYW parkhopper. Rather, the loss is relative to the "honest-player" revenue they would have relaized.

I agree.

 

[greenyskp]

Come from a person that has 508 posts and has obviously kept up to date with what has been going on in this post...seems kind of fishy from someone advising me not to spend hours in here. What's to say I have written a letter. I have said this, I dont agree with this, so dont say that I advocate it, and if you dont care then why do you write a long response? I was just trying to engage in some fun hearted discussion, don't get personal.

I WISH i could get my point across in a sentence. But im the most horrible writer you'll ever meet. And I cant get my point across through writing. And threads like this are like car accidents....you cant help but look and then want to respond...

 

[Brian Noble]

You left out part of my quote from an earlier statement, sneaky sneaky.

I did, but I also misinterpreted it. Here is the whole post:

We're not advocating buying partially used tickets. Just saying that Disney is going about this problem a whole other way. I am an AP holder and I believe so DLKT. My point is that disney is not losing money from people sharing tickets, cause what ever they lose in ticket prices, they are more then making up for in food, merchandise, turkey legs, and lets not forget the super expensive resort rooms. Am i saying that doing this is right? NO! But is Disney losing money by it going on? NO! Burn down the Tiki Room and extend Pirates of the Caribbean into a longer ride? YES!

I read that as "is Disney losing money in a relative sense on an individual instance of ticket sharing?" I think, given the current pricing structure, the answer is an unequivocal yes. What you meant, was "Did instances of ticket sharing pre-finger-scan cause Disney to lose money in an absolute sense on the theme parks in any given financial quarter" to which the answer is obviously (if you read the annual reports) no.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I did, but I also misinterpreted it. Here is the whole post:


I read that as "is Disney losing money in a relative sense on an individual instance of ticket sharing?" I think, given the current pricing structure, the answer is an unequivocal yes. What you meant, was "Did instances of ticket sharing pre-finger-scan cause Disney to lose money on the theme parks in any given financial quarter" to which the answer is obviously (if you read the annual reports) no.

Correct.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I WISH i could get my point across in a sentence. But im the most horrible writer you'll ever meet. And I cant get my point across through writing. And threads like this are like car accidents....you cant help but look and then want to respond...

I agree. I always beep and wave though. This thread has such momentum and promise. Ah well. Here's to Turkey Legs and Tiki Rooms!

 

[WedwayRocks]

I WISH i could get my point across in a sentence. But im the most horrible writer you'll ever meet. And I cant get my point across through writing. And threads like this are like car accidents....you cant help but look and then want to respond...

I agree. I always honk and wave though. This thread has such momentum and promise. Ah well. Here's to Turkey Legs and Tiki Rooms!

 

[DLKT]

It's fine to complain about the ticket pricing structure. But that's not what you are doing. You are also trying to claim that it is morally correct to explicitly violate the license of the admission tickets. I don't know what moral framework you follow, but I'm not aware of any such framework (other than perhaps "Anarchist") that would suggest that is morally acceptable. Then, when people point this out to you, you say that all you are doing is "complaining."

That's just bait-n-switch debating, and you shouldn't be surprised that you've been called on it.

Care to show me where I "claim that it is morally correct to explicitly violate the license of the admission tickets."

I can recap if you wish.
I said that Disney was legally right but I think it's morally wrong to screw the consumer that way.
I don't believe I ever advocated passing unused tickets off to someone else.
I DO BELIEVE THOUGH THAT IT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK OF TIME.
And I also was arguing that I don't think Disney is losing money by my doing so.
And that they only instituted the ticket agreement to suck as much money as they can from the consumer.
Which is their right.
But guess what Brian, I can complain about it too.
Hardly bait and switch.
Actually I've said from the very beginning that Disney has the legal right to do it.
You just seem to have a hard time with people who don't like certain Disney practices.

But, we have a new pricing structure,

"we" have a new pricing structure?
Are you the Corporate Disney spokesperson?

 

[Brian Noble]

In any event, I have a theory about the whole finger scanning thing. I don't think it was done to protect revenue. The unofficial guide folks claim that 90% of unused parkhopper days were *never* used. If you assume that most of the remaining 10% are honest, then maybe (MAYBE) 1 in 100 tickets were shared, and probably a lot fewer.

That's not much revenue lost compared to the expense of installing, maintaining, and staffing the finger scanners.

However, there are always the clueless dopes who bought "partially" used tickets off of ebay, or from the "brokers" in little kiosks on 192, that end up being fully used. They get to the gates, find there are no days left on the media, and get really upset. The people who are faced with this upset guest are Disney employees, and if there is one thing the company cannot abide by, it is an upset guest. Of course, in this case, there is absolutely nothing the company can do, so the guest has a "bad time" at Disney.

Now, because each ticket is signed and clearly states the rules, perhaps there will be fewer dopes, er, upset guests.

 

[Brian Noble]

Care to show me where I "claim that it is morally correct to explicitly violate the license of the admission tickets."

I don't have to. You did it yourself, and you shouted in the process.

I don't believe I ever advocated passing unused tickets off to someone else.
I DO BELIEVE THOUGH THAT IT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT TO DO SO BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK OF TIME.

As for this:

"we" have a new pricing structure?
Are you the Corporate Disney spokesperson?

There are, of course, two parties to any sales transaction: the buyer and the seller. When I said "we", I meant of course "the buyers."

Nice try though.

 

[Goofy4WDW1964]

You wasting your time posting anything here that is negative in any way about Disney. Everyone is so high on pixie dust, they can't even read your entire response.

I get what your saying. You don't split tickets, you don't promote the splitting of tickets. I think your saying that the amount that Disney is saving itself from people who do is not worth the hassle they are putting the rest of, and might I had the vast majority of, their guest through.

I've never split a ticket or entered a Disney park with anything other than a ticket I purchased. And, I don't plan on it. But I don't go through life believing that Disney does everything for my benefit. This is all for their benefit only.

And, when we were at WDW in June, it was more than a 10 minute wait. One day it was as long as 45 minutes. Perhaps I should have requested a refund of part of my ticket for the amount they made me miss being in the park, that I had already paid for, legally, and by Disney rules and law even.

And for your information, there is a way around all the new procedures. You can still buy extended day tickets, use 5 days, giving your fingerprints every day of entering the parks and have 5 days to let someone else use. But, I sure am not posting it here. Someone on here would find out where I live and blow up my house for threatening the sanctity of their precious Disney.

They don't have to worry a whole lot about offending us. We are all die hard Disney fans. My family has been 8 times in the last 10 years. But, I know three families that have gone for the fist time this year and none came back with a desire to return. Good thing Disney saved all that money on the missuse of tickets.

 

[WedwayRocks]

You wasting your time posting anything here that is negative in any way about Disney. Everyone is so high on pixie dust, they can't even read your entire response.

I get what your saying. You don't split tickets, you don't promote the splitting of tickets. I think your saying that the amount that Disney is saving itself from people who do is not worth the hassle they are putting the rest of, and might I had the vast majority of, their guest through.

I've never split a ticket or entered a Disney park with anything other than a ticket I purchased. And, I don't plan on it. But I don't go through life believing that Disney does everything for my benefit. This is all for their benefit only.

And, when we were at WDW in June, it was more than a 10 minute wait. One day it was as long as 45 minutes. Perhaps I should have requested a refund of part of my ticket for the amount they made me miss being in the park, that I had already paid for, legally, and by Disney rules and law even.

And for your information, there is a way around all the new procedures. You can still buy extended day tickets, use 5 days, giving your fingerprints every day of entering the parks and have 5 days to let someone else use. But, I sure am not posting it here. Someone on here would find out where I live and blow up my house for threatening the sanctity of their precious Disney.

They don't have to worry a whole lot about offending us. We are all die hard Disney fans. My family has been 8 times in the last 10 years. But, I know three families that have gone for the fist time this year and none came back with a desire to return. Good thing Disney saved all that money on the missuse of tickets.

I have found that to be true. People get very upset when you play devils advocate on this site. Glad to know that I am not alone.

 

[Alice's Mom]

wow this thread has gone from being annoyed by finger scans to such a heated debate about tickets and their proper usage...

I imagine the tickets are non-transferable because people weren't "giving" their friends left over days, but instead selling them, which is wrong, and there are no magically appearing at the gates orphans looking for a fun time on Dumbo, there was a significant enough amount of fraud that made Disney decide finger scans were necessary, I had originally posted that I was annoyed by them because my scans did not work on a couple of occasions and I am used to Disneyland turnstyles that do not feature finger scans.

Bob and Alice share one 10-day MYW parkhopper

my Alice still gets a child ticket, who is this Bob?

and I love The Enchanted Tiki Room, but in all fairness I have never visited the Under New Management Enchanted Tiki Room

 

[DLKT]

I WISH i could get my point across in a sentence. But im the most horrible writer you'll ever meet. And I cant get my point across through writing. And threads like this are like car accidents....you cant help but look and then want to respond...

That's the problem with message boards sometimes.
So much is lost in the typing.
We need emotion text! (I'm not even sure what that means)

 

[Brian Noble]

Who's upset? I'm just avoiding having to do actual work.

 

[WedwayRocks]

wow this thread has gone from being annoyed by finger scans to such a heated debate about tickets and their proper usage...

I imagine the tickets are non-transferable because people weren't "giving" their friends left over days, but instead selling them, which is wrong, and there are no magically appearing at the gates orphans looking for a fun time on Dumbo, there was a significant enough amount of fraud that made Disney decide finger scans were necessary, I had originally posted that I was annoyed by them because my scans did not work on a couple of occasions and I am used to Disneyland turnstyles that do not feature finger scans.


my Alice still gets a child ticket, who is this Bob?

and I love The Enchanted Tiki Room, but in all fairness I have never visited the Under New Management Enchanted Tiki Room

Oh yeah! Well for your information there were 2 orphans outside the last time I went and the new mgt. tiki room is awful and i still dont know who bob is either! Turkey Legs for President! WOOOOH!!

 

[Brian Noble]

my Alice still gets a child ticket, who is this Bob?

Bob and Alice are the canonical correspondents in computer security protocols. Bob wants to send a message to Alice in such a way that Alice *knows* that Bob was the one who sent it, and the message received was identical to the one Bob sent.

Unfortunately, there is Eve (the Evil one) or sometimes Mallory (the Malevolent one) in between Bob and Alice trying to foil the process.

The solution to this problem turns out to be somewhat difficult, but when properly solved you see the little lock icon in the corner of your web browser, so that you know you are talking to your bank rather than Eve's First Bank of Fraud.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Who's upset? I'm just avoiding having to do actual work.

I'm not talking about you, its the other zealots I speak of.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Bob and Alice are the canonical correspondents in computer security protocols. Bob wants to send a message to Alice in such a way that Alice *knows* that Bob was the one who sent it, and the message received was identical to the one Bob sent.

Unfortunately, there is Eve (the Evil one) or sometimes Mallory (the Malevolent one) in between Bob and Alice trying to foil the process.

The solution to this problem turns out to be somewhat difficult, but when properly solved you see the little lock icon in the corner of your web browser, so that you know you are talking to your bank rather than Eve's First Bank of Fraud.

I use Bank of America.

 

[Brian Noble]

Sorry: Eve is also the "eavesdropper", and Mallory is the "man in the middle".

But, the Wikipedia has a much better list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_in_cryptography