Finger Scanning-what a joke

[justcruisin]

What links the card to someone? The initial finger scan? Disney should add a place on the card to write the owner's name.

 

[safetymom]

The new tickets have a space to write the name. Yes it is the initial scan.

 

[minnie61650]

Ok!........ However it seems like Disney is really inconviencing everyone (especially at crowded times) to save "potential" income.
To me it seems that this finger scanning is rather EXTREME measures, and VERY MUCH A HASSLE! Trust me....I lost many hours over this the past week.
Waiting on lines to get 'scanned" going back to the hotel desk to get new cards that were inactivated....UGH!

And my Hours are worth more to me than to WDW!

Yes it may be a HASSLE.But it does let Disney sell longer stay tickets for less money and it does keep guests from sharing or selling tickets.
That said I think it helps Disney slow the crowds.
Disney has spent mega bucks on security since 9/11 and it would not surprise me at all if along with those Bioscans Disney has or will have in near future
security devices such as Bomb-sniffing technology (there are polymer devices already in use that can pick up on tiny trace amounts of explosive vapors from over 20 feet away).Or the full body backscatter X-ray (which has already been tested at the Orlando airport).
Maybe if they get that in soon they could just do random bag checks!
That would be a plus!
Linda !

 

[Brian Noble]

It's not surprising that the scan doesn't always prevent sharing. Hand geometry is not an "identifiable" biometric. In other words, there is a non-trivial chance that two different people will have hand geometries that appear to be "the same" to current sensing technology. That said, it's not a very *big* chance, and more often than not, two different people will read differently. But, it's not like a fingerprint, iris pattern, etc. Those are truly unique.

Of course, this makes hand geometry perfect---just good enough to discourage most sharing of (deeply discounted) long-stay tickets.

 

[threeboysmom]

I'm confused. Do the new MYW tickets have your name printed right on them? If not, what in the world would showing ID prove? I haven't had the chance to use the new tickets yet, so this may be a dumb question on my part...

 

[safetymom]

There is a line on the ticket now for you to sign them. The CM will have you sign it before you use it for the first time.

 

[peter11435]

I'm confused. Do the new MYW tickets have your name printed right on them? If not, what in the world would showing ID prove? I haven't had the chance to use the new tickets yet, so this may be a dumb question on my part...

If your tickets were purchased at a resort they will have your name on it. In any case there will be a place on the back of the ticket you will be asked to sign.

 

[greenyskp]

I dont know why Disney doesnt just go to Photos on the AP's. Like Universal does. Its so much easier, and you only have to wait once to get your photo, then you're free to go.

People that complain about this stuff makes me angry though. Disney tickets cost a certain price. Anyone looking for a 'DEAL' on ebay is asking for it. Why should you only pay 30 dollars for a one day ticket when i have to pay 59? This is what Disney is trying to control, and I appreciate it, because I dont break disney law.

 

[peter11435]

I dont know why Disney doesnt just go to Photos on the AP's. Like Universal does. Its so much easier, and you only have to wait once to get your photo, then you're free to go.

People that complain about this stuff makes me angry though. Disney tickets cost a certain price. Anyone looking for a 'DEAL' on ebay is asking for it. Why should you only pay 30 dollars for a one day ticket when i have to pay 59? This is what Disney is trying to control, and I appreciate it, because I dont break disney law.

Disney used to have the photo tickets. They went to biometrics years ago because they are more accurate and more easily controlled.

 

[WedwayRocks]

I dont know why Disney doesnt just go to Photos on the AP's. Like Universal does. Its so much easier, and you only have to wait once to get your photo, then you're free to go.

People that complain about this stuff makes me angry though. Disney tickets cost a certain price. Anyone looking for a 'DEAL' on ebay is asking for it. Why should you only pay 30 dollars for a one day ticket when i have to pay 59? This is what Disney is trying to control, and I appreciate it, because I dont break disney law.

Ultimately, hasn't disney already received their money for these tickets that people are selling?? So it's not like Disney is losing out on there money. It's really your own fault if you except everything at face value and don't try to find a deal. If you knew that you could buy a car cheaper from one individual then another, who are you going to go to purchase the car? Probably the one with the better price. I have been in a line behind groups of people @ these scanners that don't know what they are doing and it is completely obnoxious and the majority of the time the cast member just pushes a couple buttons and lets them through. It's very counter-productive if you ask me and should only be in place for guests with annual or seasonal passes (which I do have and dont mind getting scanned for), that way it deters from people sharing these passes with others.

 

[peter11435]

Ultimately, hasn't disney already received their money for these tickets that people are selling?? So it's not like Disney is losing out on there money. It's really your own fault if you except everything at face value and don't try to find a deal. If you knew that you could buy a car cheaper from one individual then another, who are you going to go to purchase the car? Probably the one with the better price. I have been in a line behind groups of people @ these scanners that don't know what they are doing and it is completely obnoxious and the majority of the time the cast member just pushes a couple buttons and lets them through. It's very counter-productive if you ask me and should only be in place for guests with annual or seasonal passes (which I do have and dont mind getting scanned for), that way it deters from people sharing these passes with others.

You are missing the point. Disney IS out money when people re sell tickets because the per day price of disney tickets decreases the longer you buy them for. I don't see why that is so hard for some to understand. Why would I buy a 3 day ticket for $171, when I could split the cost of a 6 day with a friend who will travel later for only $98 each. Making sure people can't share tickets is what has allowed disney to sell 10 day tickets for just $24 more than a 5 day.

 

[Missy1961]

Ultimately, hasn't disney already received their money for these tickets that people are selling?? So it's not like Disney is losing out on there money. It's really your own fault if you except everything at face value and don't try to find a deal. If you knew that you could buy a car cheaper from one individual then another, who are you going to go to purchase the car? Probably the one with the better price. I have been in a line behind groups of people @ these scanners that don't know what they are doing and it is completely obnoxious and the majority of the time the cast member just pushes a couple buttons and lets them through. It's very counter-productive if you ask me and should only be in place for guests with annual or seasonal passes (which I do have and dont mind getting scanned for), that way it deters from people sharing these passes with others.

But there are plenty of ways to get bargain tickets that do not cheat anyone--AAA, Ticketmania, Maple Leaf. Even buying tickets at the Disney Store or online is cheaper than buying at the gate.

And I don't buy the logic that says "Disney isn't getting cheated if I sell my last few days to someone.". Well, they are. And they are a business, they want to make the most they can. This is what they came up with. And I guess they were sick of guests buying expired tickets on ebay, and coming to Guest Relations for fixes.

So you can call me a sucker for buying my ticket legimately, I can live with that. I save money on Disney trips other ways. I don't fool with tickets.

 

[WedwayRocks]

You are missing the point. Disney IS out money when people re sell tickets because the per day price of disney tickets decreases the longer you buy them for. I don't see why that is so hard for some to understand. Why would I buy a 3 day ticket for $171, when I could split the cost of a 6 day with a friend who will travel later for only $98 each. Making sure people can't share tickets is what has allowed disney to sell 10 day tickets for just $24 more than a 5 day.

You are honestly telling me that people are planning that much in advance that they will go in together with someone else when buying tickets. I have a very hard time believing that happens. I am not an idiot and "understand" your thought process, but just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't understand. How much do you think these people are spending on food, parking, gifts, etc.?? Quite a bit, wouldn't it be in Disney's best interest to allow more people into the park to spend their money on other goods and forget about the ticket prices. The only people that are keeping Disney from making more money is Disney.

 

[WedwayRocks]

While I am at it. Doesn't it undermind the whole idea of Disney? Shouldn't more people be allowed to come to these parks and experience this time that quite obviously so many of us have taken for granted. What is so wrong with us finding ways to save money from a corporation that is so quick to try and take every last dollar that you have. Not only do they raise ticket prices, raise parking prices, raise food and merchandise prices, they do this while taking advantage of the people and staff that work there and all some can do i sit and defend Disney's money hungry policies.

 

[peter11435]

While I am at it. Doesn't it undermind the whole idea of Disney? Shouldn't more people be allowed to come to these parks and experience this time that quite obviously so many of us have taken for granted. What is so wrong with us finding ways to save money from a corporation that is so quick to try and take every last dollar that you have. Not only do they raise ticket prices, raise parking prices, raise food and merchandise prices, they do this while taking advantage of the people and staff that work there and all some can do i sit and defend Disney's money hungry policies.

I think you are just lost.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Your'e entitled to your opinion. But "I think you are just lost" is kind of a weak arguement for your side. All I am asking, is do you really believe that Disney is losing money or that people are really "stealing from Disney" by buying a 6 day pass and giving the other 3 to another person? I dont think so. What does it matter if John Smith is there 3 days and Mark Wilson is there the other 3, my point is that all 6 are paid for and noone is getting away with anything.

 

[peter11435]

Your'e entitled to your opinion. But "I think you are just lost" is kind of a weak arguement for your side. All I am asking, is do you really believe that Disney is losing money or that people are really "stealing from Disney" by buying a 6 day pass and giving the other 3 to another person? I dont think so. What does it matter if John Smith is there 3 days and Mark Wilson is there the other 3, my point is that all 6 are paid for and noone is getting away with anything.

Ok listen. If John and Mark each buy a 3 day pass disney would make $392. However if they buy a 6 day pass and each use three days disney only makes $171. Thus no matter how you look at it Disney is out $221. They give you a cheaper per day rate the longer you by you tickets for. Thus buying a 6 day ticket only intending to use 3 and let someone else use the other 3 is cheating the system.

 

[DLKT]

I think you are just lost.

I don't think so.

I have posted about this before.
Disney has made the money for the initial ticket purchase.
I buy a 10 day pass and use 6 days then my brother uses 4 = 10 days.
The 10 day ticket is used in full.
There is no loss in the Disney cash drawer.
They were not cheated or scammed.
A 10 day ticket was used for 10 days.
Case closed.

Now LEGALLY it says the nontransfer rule on the ticket.
So LEGALLY I'm wrong and Disney is right.
Morally though, Disney is moneysucking the consumer, imho.

I would rather they strictly enforce the expiration dates if that's a problem.

I also have issues with the biometric scanner beyond using it for the ticket reasons above.
The scanners ASSUME that I'm a thief from the get go.
So from my very *entry* into the Parks I am annoyed.
Great customer service, great "Magic".

A simple solution some might say is "don't go then".
But I've been going to Disney for a long time.
It's going to be my DVC "home" for another 35 years or so.
So I can complain when changes are made that I don't agree with.

 

[WedwayRocks]

Ok listen. If John and Mark each buy a 3 day pass disney would make $392. However if they buy a 6 day pass and each use three days disney only makes $171. Thus no matter how you look at it Disney is out $221. They give you a cheaper per day rate the longer you by you tickets for. Thus buying a 6 day ticket only intending to use 3 and let someone else use the other 3 is cheating the system.

I understand what you are saying. But you should rephrase the statement to "disney would be making even more money if both John and Mark bought a 3 day pass instead of splitting a 6 day pass". But to say Disney is losing money I disagree. It is offensive to me as someone with annual passes, that I should be penalized as a faithful and loyal consumer of the "Disney product", that I should have to be forced to stand in longer lines due to the fact that this company wants to ensure that it is making that extra dollar. I agree with the DLKT, it is offensive as I am not a thief or a person who is out to take advantage of someone else, so why should i be subjected to them taking advantage of me.

 

[LongIslandCouple]

I don't think so.

I have posted about this before.
Disney has made the money for the initial ticket purchase.
I buy a 10 day pass and use 6 days then my brother uses 4 = 10 days.
The 10 day ticket is used in full.
There is no loss in the Disney cash drawer.
They were not cheated or scammed.
A 10 day ticket was used for 10 days.
Case closed.

Now LEGALLY it says the nontransfer rule on the ticket.
So LEGALLY I'm wrong and Disney is right.
Morally though, Disney is moneysucking the consumer, imho.

I don't follow your logic. You are buying a single person ticket that Disney discounts for the longer you purchase. They make it crystal clear that the discount you get for purchasing a longer ticket is for one person, yet you think you should be able to transfer that ticket after you have bought the ticket. You have the option to purchase a ticket and add days. I suggest doing what we do. By a ticket with one more day than you need - it's usually a minimal cost. Then the next time you return exchange that ticket for a new one with one more day than you'll need that time.

I also have issues with the biometric scanner beyond using it for the ticket reasons above.
The scanners ASSUME that I'm a thief from the get go.
So from my very *entry* into the Parks I am annoyed.
Great customer service, great "Magic".

They don't assume you are a thief, they are preventing theft by others. If there wasn't ID verification, you'd have people purchasing Annual Passes or 10 day passes and renting them out for days or weeks at a time. This would result in higher prices for the rest of us that choose not to abuse the system.