Field trips...kids that can't afford

I am sure they will have a blast and I will make sure this little girl gets to go. I am thinking the school is going to pay but if not I will be more than happy to!;) :thumbsup2

I just want to thank you for putting a smile on my face tonight, what a great thing to do!
 
My child goes to public school and the field trips are always covered. I think it is RIDICULOUS to have to give money for a field trip. The PTA should definitely pay for that little girl. We have tons of fund raisers all year long for field trips and school supplies and I would be really mad to have to pay what you are paying. And, to have to pay for outside time seems illegal.
 
OP, you sound like a truly sweet person to be concerned about this child not being able to go on the field trip.

However, have you considered that maybe the father has decided that this field trip is not worth the cost and has chosen to not allow his child to go? Just a thought.

Perhaps if more parents refused to pay to send their children on $52 field trips, the schools would stop scheduling them.
 
OP, you sound like a truly sweet person to be concerned about this child not being able to go on the field trip.

However, have you considered that maybe the father has decided that this field trip is not worth the cost and has chosen to not allow his child to go? Just a thought.

Perhaps if more parents refused to pay to send their children on $52 field trips, the schools would stop scheduling them.

I did think of that, thats why I made the teacher and principal aware. But this same little girl was in "my group" the last fieldtrip (which was $20 for a school bus to go less than 5 miles to a historic district in our county) she was so excited. And when all the kids got to go in the shops (yes the set aside time to go into shops and tell parents to send money for this) she was happy just looking around...so I let her get something small and told DD she had to get something small too....they were both happy!!
 

I don't think a school should be scheduling these kinds of field trips unless every child is able to go. They should have found funds for it prior to scheduling the trip. My son's teacher wrote a grant this year for field trips. She got $3500.00 and they've gone on some great and educational trips. The PTO budgets for low income subsidizing of children who need it for things like camps and other expensive items. We have a large PTO and they are very active. Our principal's fundraiser is a 'sell nothing' fundraiser. You just donate drirectly to the school fund. The older children do run a snack booth at the Christmas Arts and Crafts show as well as the used book sale. They use their money for artists in residence programs and have had wonderful dance and scuplture instruction and experiences this year.

OP-if it were me, I'd call a few other parents and 'find' the money for this girl to travel with the group. This kind if exclusion is bad when any school does it but for a public school, I think it's inexcusable. I would also find a time to bring it up at PTA and with the principal. This should not happen to another student, ever.
 
The majority of kids in the school I work at are free and reduced lunch. Field trips are rare due to lack of funds and the requirement that each trip be educational. The educational part isn't a problem except that you can't leave the kids who are in trouble for behavior behind on these trips or they are considered to be missing part of their education. We then end up with complaints from wherever we went for the trip due to rowdy behavior, shoplifting etc. Our PTO doesn't fund all of our costs. Our teachers end up doing fund raisers so no one is left behind. The costs are kept pretty reasonable for trips and we don't go anywhere extravagant. Our school employees often pay OOP for materials and student's basic needs. My dh gets really irritated with me, but it is really hard to say no to things like requests for clothes, food, Christmas toys that come to our school regularly. I do see his point since I pay about 100.00 a month for things that help and motivate the kids. It is really sad to see how some people have to live and hopefully we can help these kids make choices that will improve their future prospects.
 
Perhaps if more parents refused to pay to send their children on $52 field trips, the schools would stop scheduling them.


I am one of those parents. I won't send my kids on expensive field trips like that (as I mentioned earlier in the thread). I offer to plan a family thing that's educational that day. Notice: I explain my reasoning, and make the offer. My kids have always accepted.

Beth
 
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If any student cannot pay for a field trip in our school district, then the school takes care of the cost. If that doesn't happen, often times teachers pay for students who cannot attend. :goodvibes
 
I feel bad even saying this but here it goes...

Many Many field trips that I have went on with my children, I get kids who did not bring a dime with them. I can't purchase things for my child and myself without feeling guilty. These kids are asking me for drinks, money etc. Please if you send your child on any field trip send them with a couple bucks so the chaperon don't have to do it, I do good paying for my own child's stuff. Now if I had money to give I would and not blink a eye about it. My daughter is in middle school and they are going on a kings island field trip for 8th graders. The cost was 65.00 this includes bus ride over and back, a drink bracelet and the ticket. I am going to send her with 50.00 for food and souvenirs its a important trip as it ends her middle school years as she moves onto high school.
 
I often wonder where all the money the school "raises" goes. My dd school has free dress ($2), flowers for Vday ($2/carnation), school dances, etc. I've never heard of the PTO/PTA having funds set aside for kids who couldn't afford the trips, but it wouldnt' hurt to check it out. I'll never forget 2 little kids in my daughter's Kindergarten class. They could never afford the parties for Christmas or the end of the year ($5/each + Christmas gift). The school actually would ssend these kids to the cafeteria to sit while the classes had the parties. I always made sure these kids attended the party, and had gifts to open for Christmas. It was great seeing how excited the kids were that they were able to participate, and to believe that Santa paid for the Christmas gifts for them.

usually these are through individual school clubs as fundraisers- the money doesnt usually go direct to the school.
 
I feel bad even saying this but here it goes...

Many Many field trips that I have went on with my children, I get kids who did not bring a dime with them. I can't purchase things for my child and myself without feeling guilty. These kids are asking me for drinks, money etc. Please if you send your child on any field trip send them with a couple bucks so the chaperon don't have to do it, I do good paying for my own child's stuff. Now if I had money to give I would and not blink a eye about it. My daughter is in middle school and they are going on a kings island field trip for 8th graders. The cost was 65.00 this includes bus ride over and back, a drink bracelet and the ticket. I am going to send her with 50.00 for food and souvenirs its a important trip as it ends her middle school years as she moves onto high school.

Maybe those kids struggled just to get to the field trip and don't have the extra money to take with them. :sad2: I hate to say it but it is parents that over indulge their child that make it even worse for the kids that can't afford it. Children need to know that not everyone is created equal some have money and others don't BUT education should be for everyone and if you include field trips as "education" ie as a school activity then everyone should go.

I would rather my kids go no where if everyone can't be included.

Kirsten
 
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I will say that it also saddens me to think of how many teachers feel this burden directly and pay out of pocket- I would be a broke teacher.. Keep up the good work

You are right. As a teacher, you see many sad faces, but that joy on a child's face when you help him out just a bit is priceless. I know my colleagues have paid for many a field trip, coat, lunch, glasses, etc. I had one principal who even paid for a student to have his braces removed! Field trips are wonderful experiences, but we can hardly afford the transportation costs!

It really is the transportation that kills us. I am in charge of planning field trips for my grade level. We have 2 trips planned. For one the entrance fee is $9 and the other is $7. Trip one is costing $15 because of the cost of the school buses. The other one we have to take charter buses because of the distance and it is costing $23 per person. The bus company charges $775 for one bus (we need two) We don't have district buses in the district I teach in so we have to go to private companies.

I have many times put in money for kids that couldn't afford it in my class. We don't really have a strong PTA so that is not an option. I usually take those kids that I know don't have much in my own group when we are on a trip. This way the chaperones don't feel like they have to buy them things. I will usually let them pick a small item in the gift shop.

One year I had a girl that I had paid for to attend a trip to the Crayola factory. In the gift shop I helped her find something for herself that was within the budget that I set. Next thing I know, she picks up a t-shirt and says, "can I get this for my little sister?" so I asked her if she had money with her and she said, "no, can't you get it?" :headache:
 
Thankfully, the PTO I am a member of is able to give each teacher X amount of room funds a year. The principals also get building funds.
The principals use their building funds to help children who need help with school expenses. We have three elementary schools and at the 3-5th grade building, the principal will have a student work for the money. It's something small and only the principal and the teacher know about it at the school. I like this idea.
My daughter (in K) is going on two field trips. The first one cost us $3.50. The next one isn't for another month so I don't know what it will cost.
The middle school is a different story. My son had to sell candy bars for his field trip. If you didn't sell enough candy bars, then they take the money out of your magazine sales. What happens if there still isn't enough money, I don't know. So far I haven't received a note about having to pay. In two years, his class will go to Chicago and I know the cost to the parents is a few hundred dollars.
 
Maybe those kids struggled just to get to the field trip and don't have the extra money to take with them. :sad2: I hate to say it but it is parents that over indulge their child that make it even worse for the kids that can't afford it. Children need to know that not everyone is created equal some have money and others don't BUT education should be for everyone and if you include field trips as "education" ie as a school activity then everyone should go.

I would rather my kids go no where if everyone can't be included.

Kirsten

Yes but its not my responsibility as a chaperon that I have to feel like I have to buy drinks and souvenirs for other children because their parents did not send anything. Like I said if I had money to throw around I would not care one bit, but its hard enough to pay for my own kids things let alone others. With three kids, this has happend to me many times and others have complained as well about the same situation at my kids schools. The teacher even gave every child 1.00 to spend but the kids always found other things they wanted as well. My kids are not indulged but I can afford a few small items for them. I think maybe they should make it so none of the kids can shop at these places..
 
My daughters 4th grade class is going to St Augustine for the field trip. The cost of this trip was $52 for my daughter and $70 for me. I have no problem paying but thought it was a bit high considering she has went to Epcot and Seaworld in the past and has only been MAX $40 for her and $50 for me. (this was at a diffrent school/county) These prices always include the charter bus BUT I never ride on the bus and my daughter always rides home with me. This school also always (at least once a week) has a letter coming home with stuff like "pay a dollar to wear a sports shirt" ,"pay $6 to get 30 mins outside", "pay $25 dollars to put your childs birthday on the school sign". (this is a PUBLIC school by the way) I always give the $$ because I want my daughter not to feel left out BUT feel like the are making a killing off me). Ok to my point My daughter came home today and tells me a little girl in her class can not go on the trip B/C she does not have the money right now!! (This little girl lives with her father only and he walks or rides a bike everyday to drop off/ pick up this little girl.) I have already paid for my seat on the bus that I will not use and do not mind paying for her admission but wonder where all this "extra" money the school is asking for (once a week) is going. What should I do? Sorry so long it just broke my heart that this school is making so much money and this little girl can't go b/c of money.

You are a very nice person to worry about this little girl.

I am another former parent group person and have chaired many committees including the fundraisers. We set a policy when the school opened- one fundraiser per year- it always does well, making $20,000-25,000. For those that choose not to participate, that is fine. We let parents know we were happy to accept a tax deductible donation, if they don't want to sell stuff. We also supported the student council kids in collecting school supplies for the needy, items for the military in Iraq, school uniforms for displaced Katrina victims, ect.

You shouldn't worry about your daughter feeling left out for not participating in every fundraiser. If you can afford it, sit your daughter down, decide on an amount you would like to donate for the year and write a check, tell her you are doing this in lieu of the weekly stuff that comes home. Send a note letting the PTA/PTO know what you are doing. It will be greatly appreciated, and most PTA/PTO prefer this because there is no product cost involved. Or tell her this year we are going to chose to participate in X amount of fundraisers you can pick which ones you want to participate in, but we are not doing all of them. Paying for a needy child's field trip is teaching her to help those that need it. Sending in money every time the school asks for it is teaching her mom can buy my way in to feeling included. (You can't pay the kids on the playground to include her) She needs to have strong character that is not attached to mom's wallet. Of course you should send her on the field trips and contribute to class parties.

My pet peeve is my daughters middle school(has no PTO/PTA) having carnivals, dances, etc. during the school day and charging admission, the school staff plans them. We can afford it but is is WRONG!!! My daughter has asked a few times if she can skip going and keep they money. I always let her if thats what she chooses to do(she said the lines are long and the actives stink). If the school wants to charge admission for something it needs to be done outside of school hours. We pay for field trips in our school, but the cost is usually $5-10. Only 2 have been more, $80.00 for a 2 1/2 day outdoor ed. trip, and $20-30 for a mock town the kids run for the day. Our property taxes are cheap so I do not complain.

FYI, there are also a lot of cheap people. My daughter had an exceptional teacher that stayed with the class for their fourth and fifth grade year. Most of the kids in the class were there because they requested her (more than 1/2 the parents in the grade did). We took up a collection twice for her. Once when her young, son, a Marine died and at the end of the two years to get her a thank you gift. 1/2 of the class parents gave nothing (same ones both times). You could assume they couldn't afford the $5-10, but several of them are my neighbors, they own boats, jet skis, motor homes, $50,000 vehicles, etc.
 
Most teachers I've met do similar, and many of them say that after they fund field trips, school supplies, kleenex, books, lunches, snacks, and even clothes for kids whose parents can't (don't) they do the job as a charity gig.

Thank you.

Unfortunately it is true. Over the years I have learned that some things I can help with and others I can't. I have paid for grocereis for students when their parents took off for two weeks on a cruise (I have high schoolers and to get social services involved ...well it is always too late or they just are too understaffed to care about the 14 and over crowd), now I just make an extra lunch and send it home with them each day. I have never had a kid bring in supplies--the workers at Office Max must think I am nuts going through the lines 5 or more times to get the limit on 1 cent folders, 25 cent filler paper and all the crayons/rulars/etc. that I know these kids will need for their "other" classes. By the end of summer they know me and my posse of 12 to 16 year olds with my kids and their friends by name!:rotfl2: I have learned that one white blouse girls and one white shirt boys will work well if they share on picture day--we just adjust the size from behind with clothes pins--they look great in yearbook when they would have been picked on. I bring in all my "old" sneakers for the kids to use in gym. My first years of teaching I'm pretty sure I worked for a negative salary--thank goodness DH made enough to sustain our family. It took years to make tough choices like sorry I can't pay for your lunch if you are spending money on cigs! But I can't let a kid feel left out of a field trip or allow them to picked on if I can prevent it. Growing up is tough enough and the kids that don't have pretty much learn early on that the haves get more. My goal, get them to graduate, make better choices and take care of their own children well enough so that the cycle doesn't continue, but they need to be nurtured and to fit in so that happens. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but I know I have done things to help for the right reasons and despite how much my career costs me, making a difference is priceless. DH tried to put his foot down and I took him to work with me for career day, when he saw what I was up against he just helped me make less work for more--the supplies on sale pre purchased, the one shirt for everyone rather than each getting a new shirt, etc. Taking turns for fieldtrips--they all don't need to go on all.
 
In our district we aren't allowed to charge fees for anything. At my school the PTA pays for 1 bus per classroom and admission up to $5 per student for one trip. If we want to do more we are on our own. We usually double up on trips so we can go on more. Why have a bus for 60+ and only have one class of 20 on it? We are planning our 3rd trip for the year. We are asking parents for zoo passes and several parents have also made donations which we can accept. Every child will go. Our school is fortunate to have a benefactor who donates to the school each year which is divided among the teachers. That will pay for the students who don't have $ or zoo passes.
 
You are a very nice person to worry about this little girl.

I am another former parent group person and have chaired many committees including the fundraisers. We set a policy when the school opened- one fundraiser per year- it always does well, making $20,000-25,000. For those that choose not to participate, that is fine. We let parents know we were happy to accept a tax deductible donation, if they don't want to sell stuff. We also supported the student council kids in collecting school supplies for the needy, items for the military in Iraq, school uniforms for displaced Katrina victims, ect.

You shouldn't worry about your daughter feeling left out for not participating in every fundraiser. If you can afford it, sit your daughter down, decide on an amount you would like to donate for the year and write a check, tell her you are doing this in lieu of the weekly stuff that comes home. Send a note letting the PTA/PTO know what you are doing. It will be greatly appreciated, and most PTA/PTO prefer this because there is no product cost involved. Or tell her this year we are going to chose to participate in X amount of fundraisers you can pick which ones you want to participate in, but we are not doing all of them. Paying for a needy child's field trip is teaching her to help those that need it. Sending in money every time the school asks for it is teaching her mom can buy my way in to feeling included. (You can't pay the kids on the playground to include her) She needs to have strong character that is not attached to mom's wallet. Of course you should send her on the field trips and contribute to class parties.

My pet peeve is my daughters middle school(has no PTO/PTA) having carnivals, dances, etc. during the school day and charging admission, the school staff plans them. We can afford it but is is WRONG!!! My daughter has asked a few times if she can skip going and keep they money. I always let her if thats what she chooses to do(she said the lines are long and the actives stink). If the school wants to charge admission for something it needs to be done outside of school hours. We pay for field trips in our school, but the cost is usually $5-10. Only 2 have been more, $80.00 for a 2 1/2 day outdoor ed. trip, and $20-30 for a mock town the kids run for the day. Our property taxes are cheap so I do not complain.

FYI, there are also a lot of cheap people. My daughter had an exceptional teacher that stayed with the class for their fourth and fifth grade year. Most of the kids in the class were there because they requested her (more than 1/2 the parents in the grade did). We took up a collection twice for her. Once when her young, son, a Marine died and at the end of the two years to get her a thank you gift. 1/2 of the class parents gave nothing (same ones both times). You could assume they couldn't afford the $5-10, but several of them are my neighbors, they own boats, jet skis, motor homes, $50,000 vehicles, etc.

The only problem with not sending the money when they ask is then DD does not get to do what ever activity. (ex: send $2 to wear PJ's, send $6 for 30 mins of extra outside time, send $10 to be able to eat lunch outside, if you sell $x amount you get to go to a pizza party) so if I do not give the $$ she will feel left out. I wish it was not like this but it is.:sad2:
 
I feel bad even saying this but here it goes...

Many Many field trips that I have went on with my children, I get kids who did not bring a dime with them. I can't purchase things for my child and myself without feeling guilty. These kids are asking me for drinks, money etc. Please if you send your child on any field trip send them with a couple bucks so the chaperon don't have to do it, I do good paying for my own child's stuff. Now if I had money to give I would and not blink a eye about it. My daughter is in middle school and they are going on a kings island field trip for 8th graders. The cost was 65.00 this includes bus ride over and back, a drink bracelet and the ticket. I am going to send her with 50.00 for food and souvenirs its a important trip as it ends her middle school years as she moves onto high school.

I just had to comment on this as I am one of "those" parents that doesn't generally send extra money with my child when they go on a field trip. I do send him a lunch with a drink so he shouldn't be asking anyone to buy him one and I don't send him the extra cash because I don't need him bringing home a bunch of crap that ends up hanging around the house a couple of months before I get rid of it. This is my choice and if I ever found out that he was begging someone to buy him stuff there would be heck to pay.
 
Our school has a rule that there will be no buying anything at all on any field trips. I was a chaperone and was told I could not buy anything in the gift shop. I agree with this rule. This way no one feels left out.

Kids don't need something from everywhere they go. We have annual passes at Disneyland and my children know that they are not going to get a toy there. Sometimes we will surprise them and let them pick something out, but most of the time we just have a good time and enjoy being a family together.
 

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