Fender bender and lawyering up

That's the part that I don't get. Well, I do. But unless she's going to claim "pain and suffering" or something, the most she'd be entitled to is car repairs and doctor's bills, right?

I'm sorry, I totally missed this part until I read ShadeDK response. Yes, "pain and suffering" is precisely what they're after. An attorney, especially a TV one, wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole if they couldn't collect that. States vary on what can be collected in that respect (and in medical bills), but pain and suffering is exactly what they're after...in addition to the kickback from the chiro.
 
The irony of that is that those firms are the ones that insurance companies have by far the least concern for, not the most. You can probably hear an adjusters eyes roll when they get a letter from one of them. They're just in it for a quick buck, there is zero "hammer". Most of the attorney there don't even know the name of the client.
Exactly - those places mostly rely on high volume/low value settlements to make their money. Having cases go to trial is not in their interest since it decreases the amount of time/resources available - that limits their ability to churn through large numbers of matters required for contingency arrangements to work in their favor. Those firms always remind me of this:

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Exactly - those places mostly rely on high volume/low value settlements to make their money. Having cases go to trial is not in their interest since it decreases the amount of time/resources available - that limits their ability to churn through large numbers of matters required for contingency arrangements to work in their favor. Those firms always remind me of this:

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That's the part that I don't get. Well, I do. But unless she's going to claim "pain and suffering" or something, the most she'd be entitled to is car repairs and doctor's bills, right?

Not exactly. even though I did not ask for it I was given like $500 and my son was given like $100 (he had some head pain from hitting his head on the seat in front of him) for pain and suffering. I am sure if i went with a lawyer I could have gotten more but that is not what i wanted. I was fine with just having the car and medical bills paid. It also took a year or so for everything to be completed because they had to wait until all the medical bills came in and i had to do PT for about 6 weeks.
 

Yes, insurance companies do determine fault. And part of them covering you includes you agreeing that you will allow them to determine liability and what if any payments are made.

https://www.insurancehotline.com/fault-determination-after-an-accident-what-you-should-know/

The link you gave is Canadian. Quote from the article

In Ontario the Fault Determination Rules are a province-wide rules by which all insurance companies must abide. No matter who carries your policy, they will have to use Ontario’s rules in order to decide fault in your accident.

Quote from their front page.

Join the millions of Canadians who have compared to save. Get your free online insurance quotes today.

Here, the insurance company accepts or does not accept liability based upon its own investigation. It does not legally determine fault. Ultimately, if the parties choose, to take it that far, the court ultimately determines who legally is at fault in an accident.
 
Actually, yes they do. People think it's the police, but it's not. It's the insurance company, specifically the adjuster.

As many of you know, this is what I do for a living. I can explain it simple. Money. Money. Oh, did I mention money?

Ultimately if the parties decide to litigate the case, it is the court that will determine fault. An insurance company can accept liability. But that is an settlement agreement, NOT a legal determination of fault.
 
The adjuster/agent/whatever said he would determine liability. I do have the police report. According to the adjuster, the police report doesn't match my statement, which doesn't match the witnesses statement. He doesn't have the other driver's statement yet.

He did tell me not to worry about it, but that's easier said than done.
That's odd that the police report doesn't match your account or the witness' account.
 
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Ultimately if the parties decide to litigate the case, it is the court that will determine fault. An insurance company can accept liability. But that is an settlement agreement, NOT a legal determination of fault.

Actually no, not quite. It can get complicated, so not going to go far down that rabbit hole. The insurance company makes a liability decision. Honestly, it's rarely liability that's the cause of a file going to litigation. It's the value...i.e. the plaintiff lawyer wants more money. When suit is filed, liability is often not even discussed as it's agreed to between the parties prior to litigation. If it's not agreed, the courts don't want to get involved in liability all that much. Reality is that 99% of the time, when suit is filed, the case settles long before it ever reaches an actual courtroom. Very, very few claims make it to an actual trial. When they do, if liability is still in dispute, it can be left in the hands of a jury of peers to make a decision. It's not a judge who decides, it's a jury. That's a "wild card" that neither side, especially insurance companies, want to mess with if they can avoid it, simply because a jury of peers often has very little understanding of liability principles.

So yes, on that extremely rare case that gets into a courtroom (usually only really bad ones, like fatalities), the court...i.e. a jury of peers, not a judge...can decide liability. But in 99.99% of cases, it's the insurance company.

For claims where injury isn't involved, but insurance companies are arguing over who's at fault, then it goes to what's called intercompany arbitration. Those arbitrators who hear the cases are insurance professionals. The decisions they make are legally binding. I'm one.
 
That's odd that the police report doesn't match your account or the witness' account.
I agree. Now that I go back and look at the report, I don't think the drawing is accurate. I think it's based on what the witness says, but it doesn't make logical sense based on the circumstances. I don't want to go into more detail.

I don't think the officer took my statement into account.
 
Actually, yes they do. People think it's the police, but it's not. It's the insurance company, specifically the adjuster.

As many of you know, this is what I do for a living. I can explain it simple. Money. Money. Oh, did I mention money?

They're probably not actually injured. But here's exactly how this works....

I apologize in advance if it seems like I"m taking over this thread, but since you are an expert, what do you think would happen in this scenario:

- Driver without insurance runs a stop sign and crashes into SUV.
- Accident kills mom, injures 3 kids and passenger.
- Driver goes to jail and awaits trial (not released on bond because wanted in another state under other charges).

Will this poor family get anything when it comes to a lawsuit? The driver will most likely spend some years in jail. Will their insurance company pay them? More than likely the driver spent time before jail hiding his assets.
 
The back of my insurance card says in bold writing: If you are in an accident DO NOT ADMIT FAULT. So they are instructing people to lie. That doesn't sit well with me.
 
The link you gave is Canadian. Quote from the article

In Ontario the Fault Determination Rules are a province-wide rules by which all insurance companies must abide. No matter who carries your policy, they will have to use Ontario’s rules in order to decide fault in your accident.

Quote from their front page.

Join the millions of Canadians who have compared to save. Get your free online insurance quotes today.

Here, the insurance company accepts or does not accept liability based upon its own investigation. It does not legally determine fault. Ultimately, if the parties choose, to take it that far, the court ultimately determines who legally is at fault in an accident.

Sorry. Here is a U.S. link. Insurance companing in the U.S. also determines who is liable to pay for damage, and of course if someone disagrees they can go to court. It has frustrated many folks I know when they have a not at fault accident, with no citation, and their insurance company decides it was their fault to settle the claim the cheapest say they can.
https://www.esurance.com/info/car/how-fault-is-determined-after-a-car-accident
 
I agree. Now that I go back and look at the report, I don't think the drawing is accurate. I think it's based on what the witness says, but it doesn't make logical sense based on the circumstances. I don't want to go into more detail.

I don't think the officer took my statement into account.
That would not be in your favor then. I wonder if there is someone that you can speak to about the police report.
 
That would not be in your favor then. I wonder if there is someone that you can speak to about the police report.
I think the adjuster said I can call the police department and ask about modifying the report, not sure. I'll try to call the adjuster back on Monday and see what he recommends.
 
The back of my insurance card says in bold writing: If you are in an accident DO NOT ADMIT FAULT. So they are instructing people to lie. That doesn't sit well with me.
"Do not admit fault" isn't encouraging people to lie. Only to let someone else make the determination from an "objective" point of view. Participants in an accident are not objective, and often may say "Oh, I'm sorry" leading to the decision (by the other party) that they (the person making the "sorry" statement) are admitting fault.

Your insurance company is just reminding you to not say anything that could be mis-construed.

It's always best to leave the post-accident conversation to "Here's my insurance/driver's license information, where's yours?"
 
I think the adjuster said I can call the police department and ask about modifying the report, not sure. I'll try to call the adjuster back on Monday and see what he recommends.
That sounds like a good plan. Good luck!
 
"Do not admit fault" isn't encouraging people to lie. Only to let someone else make the determination from an "objective" point of view. Participants in an accident are not objective, and often may say "Oh, I'm sorry" leading to the decision (by the other party) that they (the person making the "sorry" statement) are admitting fault.

Your insurance company is just reminding you to not say anything that could be mis-construed.

It's always best to leave the post-accident conversation to "Here's my insurance/driver's license information, where's yours?"


When giving a police report, if a person rear ended someone how do they explain that without it sounding like it's their fault?
 













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