Female athlete has teeth knocked out by male player

Always something. I'm weird I guess, but people make choices, there are sometimes consequences, and I'm ok with that. Live and let live.
 
Interesting. So do we not think female players can hit the puck or swing the stick hard enough to cause that sort of damage? That sort of puck or stick injury isn't uncommon in that sport. My cousin, female, played ice hockey up through college on a co-ed team because she was that good. Her brother also played an continues to and has also had the facial injury (by a male player).

That said, I'm not a fan of co-ed sports unless it's all elective and not forced. But I'm not sure we can solely blame this injury on a male player because I personally know that it can happen in the sport in general.
 
Always something. I'm weird I guess, but people make choices, there are sometimes consequences, and I'm ok with that. Live and let live.
For sure. But one would expect fair play when they choose to play on a team. One would also want to protect themselves with mouth guards and such. (It’s unclear at this time whether the player was wearing one.)
Interesting. So do we not think female players can hit the puck or swing the stick hard enough to cause that sort of damage? That sort of puck or stick injury isn't uncommon in that sport. My cousin, female, played ice hockey up through college on a co-ed team because she was that good. Her brother also played a continues to and has also had the facial injury (by a male player).

That said, I'm not a fan of co-ed sports unless it's all elective and not forced. But I'm not sure we can solely blame this injury on a male player because I personally know that it can happen in the sport in general.
I agree, Christine, that there can always be injuries. However, when someone is born male, goes through puberty and develops male musculature, as this male player had (playing this HS varsity sport for four years), then the level of force is greater than that of a female athlete doing the same maneuver.
 

For sure. But one would expect fair play when they choose to play on a team. One would also want to protect themselves with mouth guards and such. (It’s unclear at this time whether the player was wearing one.)

I agree, Christine, that there can always be injuries. However, when someone is born male, goes through puberty and develops male musculature, as this male player had (playing this HS varsity sport for four years), then the level of force is greater than that of a female athlete doing the same maneuver.
I agree that it's going to be more forceful. But the way I read the article it's like it's the *only* reason it happened. A female can also cause that type of injury--granted maybe not as much force depending on the individual.

I don't know the back story on this particular team--whether he was forced on the team or what. I know in my area which is a little south of there, it's not uncommon for co-ed teams because of the lack of interest in playing the sport in the warmer climates (although that is changing). Generally it's male team where females can join though.
 
I agree that it's going to be more forceful. But the way I read the article it's like it's the *only* reason it happened. A female can also cause that type of injury--granted maybe not as much force depending on the individual.

I don't know the back story on this particular team--whether he was forced on the team or what. I know in my area which is a little south of there, it's not uncommon for co-ed teams because of the lack of interest in playing the sport in the warmer climates (although that is changing). Generally it's male team where females can join though.
The rules in MA say that if there isn’t a team available in a particular sport (in this case, field hockey), then anyone can play on one that is available, male or female. From other articles I’ve seen, it appears as if the superintendent is asking for these rules to be re-looked at, from a safety perspective, based on what he saw when this team returned home, and all were highly distraught over the sheer magnitude of this injury - players, families and coaches.
 
It is a complicated situation schools/districts/states are facing.

- Field Hockey in the US is a Girls/Womens sport.
- It's not that there isn't a team - it's that the sport in not offered for boys.
- This looks to be a situation where the boy wanted to play and state association allowed.
- If sports are going to become co-ed then equipment changes need to be made.
- In Field Hockey full helmets with face protection should be worn (lacrosse the same).
- Physical advantages are at the core of many discussions.
- In this case not only advantage but strength.

My DS is a high school coach and we discuss these situations often. There is no doubt in his sport that competition becomes highly unfair. It has nothing to do with anything other than body mechanics and the advantages that come with it.

He coaches Track and Cross Country. In the spring season you have Track, Soccer and Lacrosse all using the same facility. His team can't practice while Lacrosse does because it is very unsafe. They are getting ready to install big nets to try to help avoid Lacrosse ball incidents. Field hockey would fall in the same category but our state does not support it.

Food for thought - this happened in a state playoff. It is possible without the male player that his team would not have even made it to the state playoffs. Will other teams look to recruit boys because it gives them an advantage? What does that say to the girls competing?
 
It is a complicated situation schools/districts/states are facing.

- Field Hockey in the US is a Girls/Womens sport.
- It's not that there isn't a team - it's that the sport in not offered for boys.
- This looks to be a situation where the boy wanted to play and state association allowed.
- If sports are going to become co-ed then equipment changes need to be made.
- In Field Hockey full helmets with face protection should be worn (lacrosse the same).
- Physical advantages are at the core of many discussions.
- In this case not only advantage but strength.

My DS is a high school coach and we discuss these situations often. There is no doubt in his sport that competition becomes highly unfair. It has nothing to do with anything other than body mechanics and the advantages that come with it.

Food for thought - this happened in a state playoff. It is possible without the male player that his team would not have even made it to the state playoffs. Will other teams look to recruit boys because it gives them an advantage? What does that say to the girls competing?
All good questions.

My son played baseball, tee ball through college, and now adult league. It’s not that females didn’t play, and now coach, but it’s rare, simply because of how hard the ball is hit and thrown, and how much it hurts when hit and how much damage it can do. I’ve even sat next to parents of other males not used to playing much who were concerned about their kid’s safety playing with others who were more experienced, and worried about hits to the head and body, etc. My son has gotten concussions from being hit with a thrown ball even with a helmet on. Some of these 12 yr olds today are built like adults. As a pitcher, he’s also hit others, and felt awful when there’s an injury.

Along the same line as some of your questions, you wonder if the game would be played more cautiously if there are players seen as more vulnerable on the field? Or in that case, if others become more vulnerable because of it? It makes most sense for playing fields to be level.
 
Always something. I'm weird I guess, but people make choices, there are sometimes consequences, and I'm ok with that. Live and let live.
And it sure seems like a lot of High School athletes are dying, so does make me wonder about the value of High School sports.
Don't even get me started on College Sports.
 
And it sure seems like a lot of High School athletes are dying, so does make me wonder about the value of High School sports.
Don't even get me started on College Sports.
Depends on your definition of "a lot". Does it happen? Yes. "A lot"? I don't think so.

As far as the subject at hand, answer me this...
Why are there "girls" teams to start with? Whether basketball, soccer, track and field, cross country, softball, whatever? Because, as PP pointed out, girls are physically different than guys, ESPECIALLY after puberty. Can SOME girls "hang" on a boys team? Of course. And if they want, they can play for the boys teams. EVERY boys team (in HS and college) is technically "co-ed" or 'open'. There's no requirement that you need to be male to participate.

I remember when I was in HS, I really enjoyed playing volleyball. But there wasn't a boys team. Did I try to go to the school/athletic association and say "I should be allowed to play on the girls team!"? No. I asked around to other boys to see if there was interest (there wasn't) in starting a boys team. THAT'S the solution... organize a team if there's not an existing one. There's nothing that says everyone gets to do what they want to do.
 
Depends on your definition of "a lot". Does it happen? Yes. "A lot"? I don't think so.

As far as the subject at hand, answer me this...
Why are there "girls" teams to start with? Whether basketball, soccer, track and field, cross country, softball, whatever? Because, as PP pointed out, girls are physically different than guys, ESPECIALLY after puberty. Can SOME girls "hang" on a boys team? Of course. And if they want, they can play for the boys teams. EVERY boys team (in HS and college) is technically "co-ed" or 'open'. There's no requirement that you need to be male to participate.

I remember when I was in HS, I really enjoyed playing volleyball. But there wasn't a boys team. Did I try to go to the school/athletic association and say "I should be allowed to play on the girls team!"? No. I asked around to other boys to see if there was interest (there wasn't) in starting a boys team. THAT'S the solution... organize a team if there's not an existing one. There's nothing that says everyone gets to do what they want to do.
Okay, maybe "too often" is a better choice of words.
Why are their girl's teams to start with? Title IX requires them.
 
And it sure seems like a lot of High School athletes are dying, so does make me wonder about the value of High School sports.
Don't even get me started on College Sports.
Personally I think there is a lot of value in HS and college sports. (Speaking generally, because, of course, there are exceptions.)

There’s camaraderie, friendships, mentorships self-discipline, leadership opportunities, skill, confidence and a host of other things learned by being part of a team. Yes, any team. But sports are natural, and preferred, for some. I know my son had a lot of energy to get out, so sports were a natural outlet for that.

I remember once, asking our pediatrician, if my son should quit sports, since he’d been injured quite a bit. He said, “Absolutely not, sports are great for kids”. He obviously believed in their value, despite their risks.

My son was also shy, but still thrived at being part of various teams. A nice balance can be developed between keeping to oneself and mingling with others. Not a bad skill to learn for much of life, either, maybe especially for kids today (how to not “run with the crowd” but still maintain respect), but that’s getting away from the main topic, we’ll have to save it for another time.
 
Depends on your definition of "a lot". Does it happen? Yes. "A lot"? I don't think so.

As far as the subject at hand, answer me this...
Why are there "girls" teams to start with? Whether basketball, soccer, track and field, cross country, softball, whatever? Because, as PP pointed out, girls are physically different than guys, ESPECIALLY after puberty. Can SOME girls "hang" on a boys team? Of course. And if they want, they can play for the boys teams. EVERY boys team (in HS and college) is technically "co-ed" or 'open'. There's no requirement that you need to be male to participate.

I remember when I was in HS, I really enjoyed playing volleyball. But there wasn't a boys team. Did I try to go to the school/athletic association and say "I should be allowed to play on the girls team!"? No. I asked around to other boys to see if there was interest (there wasn't) in starting a boys team. THAT'S the solution... organize a team if there's not an existing one. There's nothing that says everyone gets to do what they want to do.
Well said!! And, I know my son and other teenage boys I know would not want to play on a team where they are the only boy. Males that have gone through puberty have a distinct advantage over most girls.
 
Personally I think there is a lot of value in HS and college sports. (Speaking generally, because, of course, there are exceptions.)

There’s camaraderie, friendships, mentorships self-discipline, leadership opportunities, skill, confidence and a host of other things learned by being part of a team. Yes, any team. But sports are natural, and preferred, for some. I know my son had a lot of energy to get out, so sports were a natural outlet for that.

I remember once, asking our pediatrician, if my son should quit sports, since he’d been injured quite a bit. He said, “Absolutely not, sports are great for kids”. He obviously believed in their value, despite their risks.

My son was also shy, but still thrived at being part of various teams. A nice balance can be developed between keeping to oneself and mingling with others. Not a bad skill to learn for much of life, either, maybe especially for kids today (how to not “run with the crowd” but still maintain respect), but that’s getting away from the main topic, we’ll have to save it for another time.
My mom was a Surgical RN on the Orthopedic team at her hospital. Mondays and Tuesdays were the days they fixed all the sports injuries from the weekend. Too many of the injuries would leave permanent disabilities. So that clearly had an impact on my view point. But, my son did play High School baseball. He certainly made friends, and learned a valuable lesson in life......that politics not skills can impact teams.
And my daughter played soccer up until High School and her Doctor says at age 32 that likely is what caused all her knee problems.
 
My mom was a Surgical RN on the Orthopedic team at her hospital. Mondays and Tuesdays were the days they fixed all the sports injuries from the weekend. Too many of the injuries would leave permanent disabilities. So that clearly had an impact on my view point. But, my son did play High School baseball. He certainly made friends, and learned a valuable lesson in life......that politics not skills can impact teams.
And my daughter played soccer up until High School and her Doctor says at age 32 that likely is what caused all her knee problems.
I know (and love) your Mom! We are similar. In my work I see a lot of heart disease, problems of obesity and sedentary lifestyle, and drug addiction, etc. Often in young people. It’s very sad. As a parent, I took my chances on injuries, and I still would today. We had our share, but thankfully, nothing truly debilitating or life threatening. This week I took care of someone who was hit by a drunk driver and left on the sidewalk to die. Wound up with all kinds of surgeries and rods, etc. Unfortunately, injuries happen everywhere.
 
I know (and love) your Mom! We are similar. In my work I see a lot of heart disease, problems of obesity and sedentary lifestyle, and drug addiction, etc. Often in young people. It’s very sad. As a parent, I took my chances on injuries, and I still would today. We had our share, but thankfully, nothing truly debilitating or life threatening. This week I took care of someone who was hit by a drunk driver and left on the sidewalk to die. Wound up with all kinds of surgeries and rods, etc. Unfortunately, injuries happen everywhere.
Yeah, my mom understood injuries from accidents. Her issue was, she felt sports injuries were avoidable.
 
There were girls teams WAY before Title IX.

And Title IX doesn't require any specific sport.
Correct, Title IX requires equal funding for boys and girls sports. Which in some cases prompts schools to add girls sports even though there isn't much interest from the students At my daughter's high school, she went to the first tryout for the soccer team. First thing she was told was, anyone that had tried out for soccer and didn't make the soccer team was automatically on the La Crosse team. They even put on La Crosse training camps because most of the girls knew nothing about La Crosse. My daughter hated the environment of both teams and dropped out. But title IX was the reason. They had funding for a girls La Crosse team because they HAD to spend that money on girls sports and the school picked La Crosse as the team to add. 14 years later, they still have a girls La Crosse team and last I saw, they are still waiting for their first win.
 


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