Feeling Horrible: Just found out how much in Debt we REALLY are...

You need to pay bills together. As others have said, no excuses for not knowing -- it's your debt together, so you need to know what he knows, even if he physically writes the checks.

Take a blank notebook. Create a page and list all your debt. Mortgage, credit card(s), car loans, Home equity in different columns, and a column for total debt.

Look at your minimums and figure out how to attack the rest of the debt by snowball method. Ramsay recommends paying off the smallest one first for the pickmeup of the victory of paying it off, then rolling that payment into the next one. Other people (self included) feel it's more practical to attack the highest interest rate debt first. Pay slightly more than the minimum on everything else and then sock every extra cent you can towards the one you're focused on. But you truly have to focus on it. If you give up $3/day coffee to go, make sure $15/week goes toward that specific bill. If you get a windfall (say a $60 refund for something you had forgotten was coming) -- send it towards that bill. Tax refunds -- to that bill. Mom buys the kids something like sneakers that you had budgeted for? That money goes to the bill.

Set up automatic payments from your bank account to your bills (above the minimums). If paying on time is an issue with your credit card, and you rack up late fees, make TWO automatic payments a month to your credit card.

Every month when you get your statement, put the new balance underneath the old one in each column. They will all start to go down, including the grand total. If you have a lot of small card debts and pay them off first, columns will disappear.

This will keep you honest -- the number will be going down, or it won't. When a bill comes in, you take out the number and you write it down (as a couple). Circle or highlight any months when a bill goes up.

Of course you can do this with a spreadsheet, but I find having it in black and white and physically taking out the book and entering the number with my own hand makes everything more real. And the satisfaction of numbers dropping and columns disappearing is fantastic. I look forward to it now, and am attacking my mortgage so that I can have it paid off ahead of time.
 
Have you tried not having separate money? I know it works for some people but for us it's better to attack things as a team. DH makes way more than I do, too, but all our expenses and income are ours.
 
My advice is to always share the bills. You should always know what is going out and coming in and not leave it all to the husband. If anything happened to him you want to know be able to take it over.
Its easy not to eat out. I work full time with 2 young kids and we only eat out once a month. And that is usually take out pizza. Just plan the meal the night before so you're not wondering what to make on a empty stomach at 5 p.m.
 
One of the things that I always advise folks is NEVER to use a CC to pay for groceries. Food is one of the biggest impulse buys that exist, and it is so easy to just toss that extra item (or 2, or 3, or 10) into the cart for a treat, especially if you have cut out restaurants. Budget your groceries in cash and resort to the pantry and freezer when you run out of money before payday; the discipline will swiftly follow.


I disagree. I budget monthly. I know before I walk into the grocery store that I have only x amount to spend. I put it on the credit card to reap the points and pay the grocery amount off the minute I get home (and put away the groceries). Or sometimes even before I go for the groceries I make the payment. It's really all about self discipline as you say.
 

OP here...

Thank you so much for all your words of advice and encouragement. As I'm sure you all know relationships between husbands and wives are quite complicated. Luckily I trust him implicitly, he was just trying to maintain a happy face for me and reduce my stress by not letting me in on "our" debt secret. I get stressed pretty easily.

This is pretty much how this happened: After paying bills, random shopping and eating out about 2x a week (sometimes more), we'd be out of $. So he would buy our groceries and pay for gas on CC's, among other things. We live in an isolated area near a small town and his commute is about 40 minutes each way, so gas adds up. I don't work in that town, I work in an even smaller town closer to our house, so for the most part I don't do the grocery shopping, except on weekends. I can't quit my job, my health insurance is paid for by my company and we only have one more year of paying for 2 kids in daycare- my older daughter will be in kindergarten in one more year.

We are going to write a budget tonight, and have weekly budget meetings. I found out about this debt after looking at my recent credit rating update - luckily I still have excellent credit, but it's going down.

I know we can fix this problem, but boy do I still feel like crap. Once again thanks for the advice!
 
I disagree. I budget monthly. I know before I walk into the grocery store that I have only x amount to spend. I put it on the credit card to reap the points and pay the grocery amount off the minute I get home (and put away the groceries). Or sometimes even before I go for the groceries I make the payment. It's really all about self discipline as you say.

At this point, with CC debt already, it doesn't make sense for the OP to put the groceries on the CC, because she's then adding interest to everything purchased, because she's not paying the full balance. For folks that pay off the CC in full every month, I fully agree with you.
 
Luckily I trust him implicitly, he was just trying to maintain a happy face for me and reduce my stress by not letting me in on "our" debt secret. I get stressed pretty easily.

This is pretty much how this happened: After paying bills, random shopping and eating out about 2x a week (sometimes more), we'd be out of $. So he would buy our groceries and pay for gas on CC's, among other things.

I'm sure by "trust him implicitly" you're referring to questions of whether he's spending money places you don't know about, gambling, etc. But your second paragraph here underscores that you really shouldn't trust him implicitly when it comes to financial matters, because his instincts are not good. I'm sure keeping you from worrying was kindly meant, but it didn't do you any favors or save you any stress in the long run.

It doesn't have to be a blame game thing -- it's 2011, and you're partners, and you can tell him you're ready to shoulder your part of the burden and you will dig out from under it together.

As Ronald Reagan said: Trust, but verify. The numbers will be in black and white monthly. If you sit together and look at them, there will be progress, or there won't. If there's not, together you figure out what went wrong, and you put an end to it/make other, better choices going forward.
 
No more credit cards.What kind of interest are you paying on those cards? Start paying off the the highest interest one asap. Can you can transfer balances to the lowest interest one?
 
I'm sure by "trust him implicitly" you're referring to questions of whether he's spending money places you don't know about, gambling, etc. But your second paragraph here underscores that you really shouldn't trust him implicitly when it comes to financial matters, because his instincts are not good. I'm sure keeping you from worrying was kindly meant, but it didn't do you any favors or save you any stress in the long run.

It doesn't have to be a blame game thing -- it's 2011, and you're partners, and you can tell him you're ready to shoulder your part of the burden and you will dig out from under it together.

As Ronald Reagan said: Trust, but verify. The numbers will be in black and white monthly. If you sit together and look at them, there will be progress, or there won't. If there's not, together you figure out what went wrong, and you put an end to it/make other, better choices going forward.

Excellent post.
 
First of all, both of you need to do this together. Write down every cent you spend for a few months and see where it's going.
"Trust but verify" excellent saying!
 
Try using Mint.com to track your spending and set up a debt reduction plan. I like it better than quicken and you can see it online from anywhere!
 
A feel for ya, OP...

My mom always says: "How do you eat an elephant?" Answer: "One bite at a time."

I never really understood how that's witty, but it's true. Don't panic, sit down and get it all out on paper, look at it from all the angles, and just start hitting it, a little bit at a time.

I'm a big fan of Dave Ramsey, but I'm sure someone's recommended him already in terms of how to tackle your debt. His Financial Peace University would be great for you to attend. Feel free to call in to his show and ask him if you have any questions. His is actually the only national level show I've ever been able to get through to, on the phone. My issue was an emotional one, related to what I saw as preferential treatment of my younger sibling by one of my parents. What he told me was tough to swallow, but he was right, and just hearing him acknowledge my feelings as valid was incredibly healing for me.

Can't recommend him enough!
 
I feel like I have no where to turn for support (except for my husband)! I just have this big rock in my stomach...

We did some re-financing before the bubble burst and payed off alot of credit card debt, and I thought we were making progress on what was left over. My husband pays most of the bills (I make about half of what he does) and I pay for child care and health insurance. Anyways apparently we are far outspending what we are taking in and our credit card debt has risen again, higher than it was before the re-fi. I had no idea! I've offered to help with the actual paying of the bills, but that would be a bigger hassle he says...

I just need some words of encouragement and advice - we can't tell our family and friends so I though perhaps some fellow Disney lovers would have some good insight. We're going to work out a budget tonight, cut way back on eating out and shopping (cash only, and on a strict budget), but I am just so worried! Sigh. :sad1:



Figure out what you spend in each category and then figure out what % of your take home pay it is. Then compare to the Gail Vaz-Oxlade % to see where you are overspending.

Categories:

Housing - mortgage, taxes, homwowners insurance, electric, heat, repairs etc.
Transportation - car payments, gas, auto insurance, repairs etc.
Life - Life and health insurance, eating out, food, fun, basically everything else.


Housing - 35%
Transportation - 15%
Life - 25%
Savings - 10%
Debt repayment - 15%
 
OP here again...

You guys are totally right, my Hubby and I need to do this together! I meant that I trusted him in regards to him not misusing our money. He's not gambling or anything like that.

What do you all think about transferring some of the high interest rates to zero percents?
 
:hug: I sooooo know where you are coming from.....but with a little determination, there IS light at the end of the tunnel! And sounds like you've gotten some good advice from fellow DISsers already.

We have struggled for many, many, many years and like you, didn't want anyone to know.

I quite my job when DD was born. A couple kids later, we too were struggling and we have never lived a lavish lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination.

We recognized that if I had a full-time job, my entire salary would go to daycare (totally NOT worth it). So I worked several different part-time jobs throughout the years - opposite my husband's schedule (which wasn't easy because he doesn't have a typical 9 to 5 job). Most of my part-time jobs were overnight or weekends.

In Sept 2009, I was lucky enough to get a job in our school district! It's worked perfectly - no more exhausted days, all 5 of us are together on weekends, and no daycare because I have the same days off that my kids have! Plus I LOVE my job, and I get to see two of my kids at work every day.

My new job helped financially, but it's still not a ton of money coming in. So I went to the local library and borrowed different books about finances and budgets - my favorites are America's Cheapest Family and Suze Orman books. We incorporated a bunch of different ideas and put them together in a plan that works for us. We put ourselves on a budget and only use cash/debit card to buy the things we need and want.

It still a work in progress, but it has allowed us to get ahead of things we've never been ahead of before! Bills are up-to-date and on time, and we were even able to plan ahead enough to be able to pay for our upcoming trip!!:yay:

So I definitely agree with some of the advice already given:
1. Evalute the "cost" of your job....is it worth it?
2. Create a budget (lots of good books @ library for reference)
3. Use cash only - even for groceries and gas
4. Pay minimums on ALL cc balances, except smallest - pay as much extra as budget can afford til paid off....then take that entire payment amount and "add" it to the minimum on the next lowest cc balance. As you pay each one off, it will give you a sense of accomplishment and the light at the end of the tunnel will start to get bigger.

YOU CAN DO IT!!!!:flower3:
 
What do you all think about transferring some of the high interest rates to zero percents?

You really have to read the fine print on that to find out if it's right for you. My mom was looking into that, but the fine print said there was a fee of a certain percent to transfer the balances. Also, there's usually something to do with the order of transferred debts that get paid off...
 
You really have to read the fine print on that to find out if it's right for you. My mom was looking into that, but the fine print said there was a fee of a certain percent to transfer the balances. Also, there's usually something to do with the order of transferred debts that get paid off...

Also, 0% financing is usually only for a certain amount of time, like 6 months. Unless you are 100% absolutely positive you can pay it off in FIVE months, don't touch it with a ten foot pole! (Because after the 0%, the rates skyrocket!!) Honestly, it's probably better for you just to tighten your belts and tackle the debt head on.
 
OP here...

Thank you so much for all your words of advice and encouragement. As I'm sure you all know relationships between husbands and wives are quite complicated. Luckily I trust him implicitly, he was just trying to maintain a happy face for me and reduce my stress by not letting me in on "our" debt secret. I get stressed pretty easily.

This is pretty much how this happened: After paying bills, random shopping and eating out about 2x a week (sometimes more), we'd be out of $. So he would buy our groceries and pay for gas on CC's, among other things. We live in an isolated area near a small town and his commute is about 40 minutes each way, so gas adds up. I don't work in that town, I work in an even smaller town closer to our house, so for the most part I don't do the grocery shopping, except on weekends. I can't quit my job, my health insurance is paid for by my company and we only have one more year of paying for 2 kids in daycare- my older daughter will be in kindergarten in one more year.

We are going to write a budget tonight, and have weekly budget meetings. I found out about this debt after looking at my recent credit rating update - luckily I still have excellent credit, but it's going down.

I know we can fix this problem, but boy do I still feel like crap. Once again thanks for the advice!

Don't feel like crap, you are away of this problem and CAN fix it, it's gonna take some hard work and frugal spending for a while! i hear the impulse out to eat (we've been bad latley) but it has to STOP!! eating out is sooo expensive....you'be be better off spending the $5 you spend on fast food for yourself on a box of granola bars or crackers or snack you enjoy and keeping it in your car.....that way on that long commute you can crab a snack and it won't set you back :thumbsup2 i always keep a granola bar in my purse....i <3 fiber one chocolate bars, one really fills me up!

as far as your husband keeping you in the dark about the debt....NOT COOL!!!
This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine....ladies if you're married you need to be an EQUAL part of the finances....i don't care if you don't make a penny of income, you believe the man is the head of the household and the women should just cook, clean and make babies or whatever other reason is out there you need to know!!!!! PERIOD END OF TOPIC!!!

He's not doing you any favors because you're gonna find out eventully, so from now on keep a handle on it too....even if it's a once a week chat about how bills are going, what's in the account what could use a little extra, if anything needs to be cut back.


OP here again...

You guys are totally right, my Hubby and I need to do this together! I meant that I trusted him in regards to him not misusing our money. He's not gambling or anything like that.

What do you all think about transferring some of the high interest rates to zero percents?

i actually did this when we got married, hubby had a pile of credit card debt (thank you MIL for NOT teaching him how to manage money :headache:) and we were paying a TON a month in payments and most of it was going towards interest....then we got an offer for zero interest for a year on all balance transfers....was the begining of a wonderful relationship with discover card and really helped us get out of debt!



also.....and i have to say it, i see you have TWO disney vacations planned for the next year....any way you could cut one out?? or do them both on the cheap so 2 is the same price as one? would be an easy way to free up some funds and you would enjoy yourself alot more knowing you're free and clear of debt!
 
You need to pay bills together. As others have said, no excuses for not knowing -- it's your debt together, so you need to know what he knows, even if he physically writes the checks.

Take a blank notebook. Create a page and list all your debt. Mortgage, credit card(s), car loans, Home equity in different columns, and a column for total debt.

Look at your minimums and figure out how to attack the rest of the debt by snowball method. Ramsay recommends paying off the smallest one first for the pickmeup of the victory of paying it off, then rolling that payment into the next one. Other people (self included) feel it's more practical to attack the highest interest rate debt first. Pay slightly more than the minimum on everything else and then sock every extra cent you can towards the one you're focused on. But you truly have to focus on it. If you give up $3/day coffee to go, make sure $15/week goes toward that specific bill. If you get a windfall (say a $60 refund for something you had forgotten was coming) -- send it towards that bill. Tax refunds -- to that bill. Mom buys the kids something like sneakers that you had budgeted for? That money goes to the bill.

Set up automatic payments from your bank account to your bills (above the minimums). If paying on time is an issue with your credit card, and you rack up late fees, make TWO automatic payments a month to your credit card.

Every month when you get your statement, put the new balance underneath the old one in each column. They will all start to go down, including the grand total. If you have a lot of small card debts and pay them off first, columns will disappear.

This will keep you honest -- the number will be going down, or it won't. When a bill comes in, you take out the number and you write it down (as a couple). Circle or highlight any months when a bill goes up.

Of course you can do this with a spreadsheet, but I find having it in black and white and physically taking out the book and entering the number with my own hand makes everything more real. And the satisfaction of numbers dropping and columns disappearing is fantastic. I look forward to it now, and am attacking my mortgage so that I can have it paid off ahead of time.

Awesome post! :thumbsup2
 
I sent you a PM
I am also sending you hugs, :hug:, and letting you know this is part of life.
Things like this happen, to anyone, doesn't say anything about the type of people you are, other than you're human.
You will get through this, we all do.
I for one, am about a year away from being totally credit card debt free.
Not to mention, my biggest lesson....in three years I have learned how to live and shop with cash. I haven't used a credit card in three years, and when this is over, I will only keep on for emergencies.
Good Luck :wizard:
 














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